is it wrong to root for fighters of your race?

[ElJefe]

I like to see the British lads do well, but once it comes to overseas fighters they're all the same to me. I can understand wanting your countryman to win but I can't imagine watching for example 2 yanks fight and wanting one guy to win because he's white and the other is black. That's just strange. Come to think of it there's probably not a single white fighter in my top 10 all time favourites. Maybe Hatton.

[jamamb]

what about african americans wanting african americans to win. you can easily say there is to some extent a shared history and overarching culture to african americans. do they get the same national bias pass that a brit cheering fir a brit would get, for example. why not?

and remember when you go by nationality your still excluding huge groups of ppl from your favouritism, even if not by race.

someone who cheers for blacks has within there range fighters from numerous countrires across the world, someone going for brits just has british in that group

is nationality really much more inclusive? im not sure if theres really good reason for national bias to be dandy but not racial. perhaps racial is seen more as hate to others and less as inward pride?although nationalism has been hugely destructive and death tolling.

[Guelwaar]

here's a list of my favorite fighters in no particular order...FYI, i spent a lot of time researching old-timers too, which is why my list includes guys from early-mid 20th century.

These are not necessarily the BEST fighters...just the ones i've personally enjoyed watching the most.

- lloyd marshall
- erislandy lara
- masahiko "fighting" harada
- Joey Giardello
- sugar shane mosley
- Tommy hearns
- Matthew saad muhammad
- aaron pryor
- Juan manuel marquez
- sweet pea whitaker

Some might say i'm obviously biased toward black fighters...but then here are some of my LEAST favorite fighters.

-joshua clottey
- wladmir klitchsko
- john ruiz
- chris byrd
- finito lopez
- tim bradley

so, what do y'all think?

[Guelwaar]

You just root for the guy you like and you often like people that have something in common with you, weather it's the looks, the schooling, the same friend, same area, it doesn't really matter. I support AJ because he's good and he looks good, just like me, I support Povetkin because he's innocent and I care about justice, I support Tyrone Spong, because he used to live close near me, I support Junlong Zhang because he's much better as many people think he is, just like me. I don't support Wilder, because he's a cheater and protected like hell, unlike me, I don't support David Haye, because he's a silly coward, a snake, a lier and someone that doesn't stick o his promises, unlike me.

hmmm....in your opinion, povetkin is INNOCENT despite being caught TWICE with PEDs....but wilder is a cheater even though he has NEVER been caught using PEDs....

you're one of the racists i was talking about on the original post aint ya?

[Freedom2013]

hmmm....in your opinion, povetkin is INNOCENT despite being caught TWICE with PEDs....but wilder is a cheater even though he has NEVER been caught using PEDs....

you're one of the racists i was talking about on the original post aint ya?

asdfjkl is not a racist.

In fact, he supports boxers of all races (Joshua, Spong, Zhang, etc) while you only seem to like African American boxers.

Povetkin tested for such a microscopic amount both times that he couldn't have taken anything deliberately, since such microscopic amounts would have no effect (would do him no good) and yet ruin his title shot. He says he did not, and because he's an honorable man, I believe him.

[candyslim]

Tony1244 wrote:
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For example, I rooted for Joe Bugner over Ron Lyle. Why? I certainly look more like Bugner than Lyle. That could have had something to do with it. But I think it had more to do with at the time black HWs were considered superior, and they most certainly were. Now, it's very clear that's nurture, not nature because there are so many great white Eastern European (and British) fighters and so few even good white American fighters.

Some may see my admission as "racist" and people can think that if they want, but I think I just wanted more parity. As I've said here before, and I think it's interesting, even white liberals who were for all the civil rights bills were "white hoping." at the time. The Klitschkos kind of burst that bubble.
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I'm White and British and I'll generally root for my countryman black or white whatever race his opponent. My favourite fighters aren't necessarily British though, I'm a massive Joshua fan but my other favourite heavies are Dominic Breazeale and Dillian Whyte because of their warrior attitude. The fact they are all black is irrelevant.

One thing about Tony's post really struck a chord with me though: In the seventies I developed a huge affection and respect for Jerry Quarry, one of the very few world rated heavies who weren't black. Was race a factor? If I'm honest I'd have to say 'yes' but only because so few whites were any good. It's that parity thing Tony mentioned. Quarry was shorter, lighter, slower than the Alis the Fraziers and the Foremans. All he had going for him was sound boxing skills and a magnificent fighting heart. I think for me it's more of a supporting the heroic underdog thing (we Brits have something of a reputation for that) and in the context of seventies heavyweights, being white was just another manifestation of that perceived inferiority, and while I'm sure I'd have been a Quarry admirer anyway, I'm sure colour would not have been a factor in that if boxing at that time was not dominated by black fighters.

[Tony1244]

Tony1244 wrote:

For example, I rooted for Joe Bugner over Ron Lyle. Why? I certainly look more like Bugner than Lyle. That could have had something to do with it. But I think it had more to do with at the time black HWs were considered superior, and they most certainly were. Now, it's very clear that's nurture, not nature because there are so many great white Eastern European (and British) fighters and so few even good white American fighters.

Some may see my admission as "racist" and people can think that if they want, but I think I just wanted more parity. As I've said here before, and I think it's interesting, even white liberals who were for all the civil rights bills were "white hoping." at the time. The Klitschkos kind of burst that bubble.
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I'm White and British and I'll generally root for my countryman black or white whatever race his opponent. My favourite fighters aren't necessarily British though, I'm a massive Joshua fan but my other favourite heavies are Dominic Breazeale and Dillian Whyte because of their warrior attitude. The fact they are all black is irrelevant.

One thing about Tony's post really struck a chord with me though: In the seventies I developed a huge affection and respect for Jerry Quarry, one of the very few world rated heavies who weren't black. Was race a factor? If I'm honest I'd have to say 'yes' but only because so few whites were any good. It's that parity thing Tony mentioned. Quarry was shorter, lighter, slower than the Alis the Fraziers and the Foremans. All he had going for him was sound boxing skills and a magnificent fighting heart. I think for me it's more of a supporting the heroic underdog thing (we Brits have something of a reputation for that) and in the context of seventies heavyweights, being white was just another manifestation of that perceived inferiority, and while I'm sure I'd have been a Quarry admirer anyway, I'm sure colour would not have been a factor in that if boxing at that time was not dominated by black fighters.
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Part of us tell ourselves we should be 100% colorblind, but that's pretty hard to do. Most Eastern Europeans are always for the white guy just like most African Americans will root for the African American. Are you still allowed to say African American? LOL. These things are always changing, but I digress.

A lot of caucasians were chanting their lungs out for "Jerry, Jerry" and later for "Gerry, Gerry." Also Duane Bobick, who if I may say so looked like a middleweight version of me at the time. But these same white people may have later voted for Barack Obama and wrote their congressman to support the MLK holiday. It was like, sure I'll vote for the black guy for governor but I hope Jerry or Gerry knocks out Ken Norton.

When so few white HWs were any good it was almost like a threat to white machismo. Yeah, we were all for civil rights and equality but we didn't want to be the physically inferior race either. That's why the Klitschkos ended all this. The answer was nurture, not nature. If anyone doesn't get the difference, it would take too long for me to explain. It's a fascinating topic to look up. Different races and cultures direct their children into different areas.

[Enlightened-One]

Has the moderators edited this thread since yesterday or is this another example of 'The Mandela Effect', because it seems that the word "colour" has been globally replaced by the word "race" for both the title and all of its comments?

This changes the entire nature of the discussion, which means that some of the comments posted may no longer reflect their author's actual sentiments.

[greg]

..regarding race/patriotism issues I believe one should speak here only FOR HIMSELF.. even that is not so easy and oftentimes controversial..now, trying to generalise things speaking for the rest of mankind makes the whole statement a lot less trustworthy imo..

[gilgamesh]

"Be the change you wish to see in the world"

If people wanna be racist, and cheer for people or see the world through a racial lens, that's their problem. Doesn't benefit them in any way, nor does it effect you who people cheer for in a Boxing match. I wouldn't let it bother me so much.

It doesn't bother me who cheers for who, it makes no difference whatsoever.

What I do find a bit annoying is the double standard: that it's okay for other races to root for their own race, but if a white person roots for his own race than he's not being "politically correct" and he'll be called a "racist" and a "white supremacist".

The Double Standard is indeed nonsense. I agree with you on that. It's nothing to dwell on though. Most can see the double standard, and understand it's bullsh*t.

[boxing_rocks]

Everything is relative.

When two likable fighters of different races with attractive boxing styles, for example Golovkin and Jacobs, fight each other, it is natural that most of blacks and most of Americans will root for Jacobs, while most of whites outside of the U.S. will root for Golovkin.

But when people root for a dirty boring fighter just because he is of the same skin color, that is a sign of racism.

[ElJefe]

what about african americans wanting african americans to win. you can easily say there is to some extent a shared history and overarching culture to african americans. do they get the same national bias pass that a brit cheering fir a brit would get, for example. why not?

and remember when you go by nationality your still excluding huge groups of ppl from your favouritism, even if not by race.

someone who cheers for blacks has within there range fighters from numerous countrires across the world, someone going for brits just has british in that group

is nationality really much more inclusive? im not sure if theres really good reason for national bias to be dandy but not racial. perhaps racial is seen more as hate to others and less as inward pride?although nationalism has been hugely destructive and death tolling.

I understand your point. Personally I think my point of view is because I've been brought up on football (soccer) so I'm used to tribalism in international sports being centred around nationality rather than race. But yeah, I completely get where you're coming from.

[littlepug]

I will root for a brit when fighting a foreign opponent but that's only because its obviously better for the British scene if our lads keep winning, so it pleases me as a fan not a patriot, as far as race and stuff is concerned I've never thought about it really, I'm more swayed by personality, attitude and skills, in fact I never came across people that spoke about race within boxing until I started coming online.

[asdfjkl]

You just root for the guy you like and you often like people that have something in common with you, weather it's the looks, the schooling, the same friend, same area, it doesn't really matter. I support AJ because he's good and he looks good, just like me, I support Povetkin because he's innocent and I care about justice, I support Tyrone Spong, because he used to live close near me, I support Junlong Zhang because he's much better as many people think he is, just like me. I don't support Wilder, because he's a cheater and protected like hell, unlike me, I don't support David Haye, because he's a silly coward, a snake, a lier and someone that doesn't stick o his promises, unlike me.

hmmm....in your opinion, povetkin is INNOCENT despite being caught TWICE with PEDs....but wilder is a cheater even though he has NEVER been caught using PEDs....

you're one of the racists i was talking about on the original post aint ya?

In reality Povetkin has been proven innocent despite all the false paperwork and media lies they created. Wilder actually hasn't even ever been tested by an independant lab, he has been caught with PEDs somehow. Not by a lab, but by a cop who saw from a mile away his car was fully loaded with drugs. Stiverne wasn't ever caught by any lab at all either, untill the moment he actually used PEDs live in front of a doping tester, at that point even the lab had absolutely no choice but admitting he didn't do much else as using doping. Also note that the WBC cleared his name straight away, saying that "he didn't do it on purpose", appearantly, the WBC allows you to fight with doping, as long as you didn't use the doping on purpose. Also note that he skipped another doping test after that and still hasn't been tested by any independant lab either till the day of today. And the WBC champion of this moment? Despite he hasn't fought anyone of name since... Well actually ever? Indeed, Deontay Wilder, with his car full of PEDs.


Also please tell me in what way I'm a racist?

[Kalan]

It's fine. It's normal.

No one should feel a need to apologise

Lust is normal... Greed is normal... Anger and hatred are prevalent human emotions... Pride is normal... Envy is normal... Jealousy is normal... Crooked business dealings are rampant in the investment banking world... It's normal for almost every human being to be a sinner... We are not actually supposed to judge others "Lest you be judged" .... but we do.

Now, knowing all that, and knowing that we all have human faults... Knowing the many human weaknesses that we're all vulnerable to... Given all that, who then are the most courageous among us??? Who are the best of us??? Who are most fair minded, humble, and principled among us??? .... Is it the racists? .... Is it those with "racial pride?" or "national pride?" ....

Is it the guy who cheats on his wife and gets away with it? .... Is it the judge on the take, but who's greatly admired because he never got caught? .... Is it the cop on the take who never got caught? .... Is it the politician who fattens his bank account at the expense of his constituents but never gets caught? .... Is it the doctor who recommends surgery because it means 25 thousand dollars in his pocket, and he's clever enough that he never gets caught? .... Is it the mechanic who charges a very trusting customer for a 500 dollar repair job that wasn't needed, because it pleases his boss and he gets 50% of the action... Would "The Good Samaritan" do those things? Would Jesus Christ?

A lot of bad behavior out there sums up the normal state of affairs for human beings... That's why the world is as messed up as it is with the threat of nuclear destruction a constant peril for the last 50 years... A lot of things that are normal aren't right... Rooting for somebody because of their color or nationality is a human failing... Boxers should be judged on their skill, punching power, courage, athletic ability, work ethic, and overall character... You are American, Mexican, Eastern European, British, African, etc. by sheer accident of birth.. You didn't make yourself or decide what color you are.. Nor can you change your gender, color, or ethnicity down to the cellular level.. The things you cannot change should not he held against you... Let's say you were born without arms... Someone else was born blind... Somebody is a midget or was crippled as a child.. They start off life severely handicapped but that doesn't mean they can't achieve anything.

Do you dislike somebody because they're black or some other color? If you're a Hatfield or McCoy are you going to follow your family's tradition of hatred and vengeance because that's expected of you?

We shouldn't be judged by what we have no control over... We should be judged on our achievements regardless of who we are or where we came from and what we do with situations that fall under free will...How we treat people who are different from us.. How generous we are.. How diligently we do our jobs.. How much we sacrifice for our spouses and children.. The contributions we make to the world when nobody is watching.. The kindness to a stranger.. Those are things we have control over..

But what you do with the gifts you have.. the talents you have.. and the opportunities you have forms your character.. Everyone has human failings.. That doesn't mean you can't shed those failings using free will.. It doesn't mean you can't strive to perfect yourself and be a saint.. The odds of you getting there are less than one-in-a-million, but did you ever buy a lottery ticket? ... If you win a few lottery tickets in a drawing do you toss them? Or keep them until the numbers are drawn? Whether you win the lottery is in the fate of the winds.. Your character you have perfect control over.. You weren't fated to be this or that at birth.. In the free world you chose who and what you become.. You can also be honest about the achievements of boxers who aren't of your racial or national identity and stop being hateful.

[vostok]

So, when i was a kid, i liked fighters of all different races. never made a difference to me if a guy was puerto rican or black or white or mexican or filipino or japanese or any combination thereof. If he was good and exciting, i was a fan. .............
............................

is it wrong to root for fighters of your race?

Just primitive.

[Tony1244]

It's fine. It's normal.

No one should feel a need to apologise.

Definitely, no need to apologize.

But it's always good to take self inventory. Ask yourself if you always have more in common with the fighter of your race? Haven't you hated people of your own race and liked people of other races?

I always think it's a good idea to question yourself. I try to do that.

[Badhusker]

Wow. Who do you think won the book writing contest for this thread/

[Kalan]

You just root for the guy you like and you often like people that have something in common with you, weather it's the looks, the schooling, the same friend, same area, it doesn't really matter. I support AJ because he's good and he looks good, just like me, I support Povetkin because he's innocent and I care about justice, I support Tyrone Spong, because he used to live close near me, I support Junlong Zhang because he's much better as many people think he is, just like me. I don't support Wilder, because he's a cheater and protected like hell, unlike me, I don't support David Haye, because he's a silly coward, a snake, a lier and someone that doesn't stick o his promises, unlike me.

hmmm....in your opinion, povetkin is INNOCENT despite being caught TWICE with PEDs....but wilder is a cheater even though he has NEVER been caught using PEDs....

you're one of the racists i was talking about on the original post aint ya?

Maybe you are...

Even the WBC and VADA admitted they were WRONG to insinuate that Povetkin failed a Meldonium test.... They did a prolonged investigation -- which should have taken 2 days or possibly a week at the most because their was NOTHING to check out other than can you be more hydrated or less hydrated for a given test and therefore come up with a different minimal and allowable nanogram count (all his tests passed) for different tests.... They couldn't find any independent expert who would say he couldn't though they fished far and wide for months.

As far as his Stiverne fight... Stiverne tested positive for a heavy level of PEDs in his samples... The WBC made excuses for him and allowed his Povetkin fight to go forward... Then weeks later---24-hours before the Moscow fight---VADA said he had 1/10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in a sample and Stiverne pulled out of the fight... For an amount so small it couldn't enhance a flea... They admitted they eliminated their minimum concentration entirely and such an amount could be the result of contamination in the lab.. No other lab who tested Povetkin at the same time found a damned thing.

Povetkin was also the 3rd foreign boxer who VADA accused of taking Ostarine in a very short period... All of them were dumbfounded because they had never heard of Ostarine... The WBC and NSAC arbitrarily changed the result of the Jack-Bute Title Fight, giving the fight to TMT fighter Jack instead of changing it to NC as is generally done.

The problem with VADA and the WBC is they're private, for profit organizations and can do whatever they please.

[Evander]

I don't care about the race the religion and all of the other old bollocks associated with the boxer.
You ultimately get judged on your ability and how you perform in the ring that's it very simple very easy.

I've been to many of the biggest fights out there and yes there are a lot of people who will root for a fighter based off of race.
Me .... Couldn't give a f__k.
Went to Ward v Kovalev 1 ... Wasn't cheering for anything other than a great fight.
Went to Morales v Barrera 1 .... Wasn't cheering for anything other than a great fight.
Went to Huck v Lebedev .... Wasn't cheering for anything other than a great fight.
Ect Ect Ect

I have been feet away from many different boxers during my time at the fights and everyone of them struck me as good people.
RJJ, Chavez, Barrera, Donaire, Povetkin it goes on and on.
One of the coolest fighters I ever met was Kevin Kelley, what a terrific fella he was, so if you ever get a chance to meet him take it up you won't be disappointed.

If some boxer shoots their mouth off on social media I may comment negatively about them but I assure you it will in no way impact how I score their fight.
Never have never will end of.

[prime]

I was at the excel London 2012, vasyl Lomachenko Is boxing a Dominican black kid, the white British cried around me are all cheering for the black Dominican, they had no idea who either was... Probably virtue signalling!! No black fans would randomly support a white foreigner over a black foreigner!!

[Guelwaar]

You just root for the guy you like and you often like people that have something in common with you, weather it's the looks, the schooling, the same friend, same area, it doesn't really matter. I support AJ because he's good and he looks good, just like me, I support Povetkin because he's innocent and I care about justice, I support Tyrone Spong, because he used to live close near me, I support Junlong Zhang because he's much better as many people think he is, just like me. I don't support Wilder, because he's a cheater and protected like hell, unlike me, I don't support David Haye, because he's a silly coward, a snake, a lier and someone that doesn't stick o his promises, unlike me.

hmmm....in your opinion, povetkin is INNOCENT despite being caught TWICE with PEDs....but wilder is a cheater even though he has NEVER been caught using PEDs....

you're one of the racists i was talking about on the original post aint ya?

Maybe you are...

Even the WBC and VADA admitted they were WRONG to insinuate that Povetkin failed a Meldonium test.... They did a prolonged investigation -- which should have taken 2 days or possibly a week at the most because their was NOTHING to check out other than can you be more hydrated or less hydrated for a given test and therefore come up with a different minimal and allowable nanogram count (all his tests passed) for different tests.... They couldn't find any independent expert who would say he couldn't though they fished far and wide for months.

As far as his Stiverne fight... Stiverne tested positive for a heavy level of PEDs in his samples... The WBC made excuses for him and allowed his Povetkin fight to go forward... Then weeks later---24-hours before the Moscow fight---VADA said he had 1/10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in a sample and Stiverne pulled out of the fight... For an amount so small it couldn't enhance a flea... They admitted they eliminated their minimum concentration entirely and such an amount could be the result of contamination in the lab.. No other lab who tested Povetkin at the same time found a damned thing.

Povetkin was also the 3rd foreign boxer who VADA accused of taking Ostarine in a very short period... All of them were dumbfounded because they had never heard of Ostarine... The WBC and NSAC arbitrarily changed the result of the Jack-Bute Title Fight, giving the fight to TMT fighter Jack instead of changing it to NC as is generally done.

The problem with VADA and the WBC is they're private, for profit organizations and can do whatever they please.

it's people like you, for real...dude, if you were in front of me right now, i don't know what i'd do. you motherf**ker you....povetkin tested TWICE FOR BANNED SUBSTANCES!!!!...BANNED!! what the hell is it about that you don't get?

hey, i understand...you've made your mind up you're gonna believe what you want to believe and screw reality and the truth and the findings of the wada jury. so be it...but don't call me a fkin racist. i'm not the one defending a guy who DOPED just because hes' white and crapping on a fighter who DIDN'T dope just because hes' black...that's all you, dude.

So, lemme get this right....if somebody broke into your home and stole your stuff and the cops caught him, then he broke into your home a SECOND time and stole more stuff and the cops caught him again, it would be totally reasonable to you if i were to say the dude is completely innocent, because he only had a few of your things in his house when they caught him both times...and both times it was different items....so, clearly he's an honorable man and he's tellling the truth when he denies he stole your stuff....and you would agree with me that in fact YOU'RE the the guilty one because he stole from you right?

you flaming racist a-hole.

[Guelwaar]

Tony1244 wrote:

For example, I rooted for Joe Bugner over Ron Lyle. Why? I certainly look more like Bugner than Lyle. That could have had something to do with it. But I think it had more to do with at the time black HWs were considered superior, and they most certainly were. Now, it's very clear that's nurture, not nature because there are so many great white Eastern European (and British) fighters and so few even good white American fighters.

Some may see my admission as "racist" and people can think that if they want, but I think I just wanted more parity. As I've said here before, and I think it's interesting, even white liberals who were for all the civil rights bills were "white hoping." at the time. The Klitschkos kind of burst that bubble.

I'm White and British and I'll generally root for my countryman black or white whatever race his opponent. My favourite fighters aren't necessarily British though, I'm a massive Joshua fan but my other favourite heavies are Dominic Breazeale and Dillian Whyte because of their warrior attitude. The fact they are all black is irrelevant.

One thing about Tony's post really struck a chord with me though: In the seventies I developed a huge affection and respect for Jerry Quarry, one of the very few world rated heavies who weren't black. Was race a factor? If I'm honest I'd have to say 'yes' but only because so few whites were any good. It's that parity thing Tony mentioned. Quarry was shorter, lighter, slower than the Alis the Fraziers and the Foremans. All he had going for him was sound boxing skills and a magnificent fighting heart. I think for me it's more of a supporting the heroic underdog thing (we Brits have something of a reputation for that) and in the context of seventies heavyweights, being white was just another manifestation of that perceived inferiority, and while I'm sure I'd have been a Quarry admirer anyway, I'm sure colour would not have been a factor in that if boxing at that time was not dominated by black fighters.
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Part of us tell ourselves we should be 100% colorblind, but that's pretty hard to do. Most Eastern Europeans are always for the white guy just like most African Americans will root for the African American. Are you still allowed to say African American? LOL. These things are always changing, but I digress.

A lot of caucasians were chanting their lungs out for "Jerry, Jerry" and later for "Gerry, Gerry." Also Duane Bobick, who if I may say so looked like a middleweight version of me at the time. But these same white people may have later voted for Barack Obama and wrote their congressman to support the MLK holiday. It was like, sure I'll vote for the black guy for governor but I hope Jerry or Gerry knocks out Ken Norton.

When so few white HWs were any good it was almost like a threat to white machismo. Yeah, we were all for civil rights and equality but we didn't want to be the physically inferior race either. That's why the Klitschkos ended all this. The answer was nurture, not nature. If anyone doesn't get the difference, it would take too long for me to explain. It's a fascinating topic to look up. Different races and cultures direct their children into different areas.
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You seem to think the klitchsko era "proved" something about nature/nurture or some other phenomenon...IMHO, the klitchsko era only proved that hw boxing was at it's lowest point in history during the second decade of the 2000's...i mean, Ray Austin? washed up shannon briggs and hasim rahman? I didn't even know who the hell tony the tiger thompson was before he stepped in with wlad...or wach or a whole lotta other guys wlad defended against.

the hw div of 2003-2014 was a complete wasteland...so weak that a guy who got KO'd by ross purrity, lamon brewster and corrie sanders came to dominate that era...and his brother who lost to a middleweight (chris byrd) and joined the list of lennox lewis ko victims was the other dominant champ. the klitchskos sucked so bad even HBO refused to air their fights...and those guys (wlad and vitali) were hw champs!...can you imagine HBO turning down the opportunity to air a holmes or tyson or holyfield or lewis or even a wilder championship fight?

to me, you're putting way too much weight on the race thing...i mean you put a lot on the shoulders of white fighters to prove or disprove theories related to nature or nurture... no one man should have to bear that much pressure. were you suicidal when wlad got ko'd by brewster and purrity and AJ? ....how about when davarryl williamson came this close to stopping wlad? or the sam peter fight?...did you almost sh*t yourself?

Dude, in my view, it's just sports...like my man mike tyson said, the fact that you can beat a guy's brain out in the ring doesn't make you a better man than him...in fact, one thing has nothing to do with the other...you should be proud of your race whether they're good boxers or not...recognize that as humans we're all equal in value in different ways even if we're not the smartest or strongest or prettiest. but recognizing that takes being secure within yourself...

[Guelwaar]

I was at the excel London 2012, vasyl Lomachenko Is boxing a Dominican black kid, the white British cried around me are all cheering for the black Dominican, they had no idea who either was... Probably virtue signalling!! No black fans would randomly support a white foreigner over a black foreigner!!

not true...lomachenko had his first pro fight in 2013...in las vegas, USA

[Kalan]

hmmm....in your opinion, povetkin is INNOCENT despite being caught TWICE with PEDs....but wilder is a cheater even though he has NEVER been caught using PEDs....

you're one of the racists i was talking about on the original post aint ya?

Maybe you are...

Even the WBC and VADA admitted they were WRONG to insinuate that Povetkin failed a Meldonium test.... They did a prolonged investigation -- which should have taken 2 days or possibly a week at the most because their was NOTHING to check out other than can you be more hydrated or less hydrated for a given test and therefore come up with a different minimal and allowable nanogram count (all his tests passed) for different tests.... They couldn't find any independent expert who would say he couldn't though they fished far and wide for months.

As far as his Stiverne fight... Stiverne tested positive for a heavy level of PEDs in his samples... The WBC made excuses for him and allowed his Povetkin fight to go forward... Then weeks later---24-hours before the Moscow fight---VADA said he had 1/10th of a nanogram of Ostarine in a sample and Stiverne pulled out of the fight... For an amount so small it couldn't enhance a flea... They admitted they eliminated their minimum concentration entirely and such an amount could be the result of contamination in the lab.. No other lab who tested Povetkin at the same time found a damned thing.

Povetkin was also the 3rd foreign boxer who VADA accused of taking Ostarine in a very short period... All of them were dumbfounded because they had never heard of Ostarine... The WBC and NSAC arbitrarily changed the result of the Jack-Bute Title Fight, giving the fight to TMT fighter Jack instead of changing it to NC as is generally done.

The problem with VADA and the WBC is they're private, for profit organizations and can do whatever they please.

it's people like you, for real...dude, if you were in front of me right now, i don't know what i'd do. you motherf**ker you....povetkin tested TWICE FOR BANNED SUBSTANCES!!!!...BANNED!! what the hell is it about that you don't get?

hey, i understand...you've made your mind up you're gonna believe what you want to believe and screw reality and the truth and the findings of the wada jury. so be it...but don't call me a fkin racist. i'm not the one defending a guy who DOPED just because hes' white and crapping on a fighter who DIDN'T dope just because hes' black...that's all you, dude.

So, lemme get this right....if somebody broke into your home and stole your stuff and the cops caught him, then he broke into your home a SECOND time and stole more stuff and the cops caught him again, it would be totally reasonable to you if i were to say the dude is completely innocent, because he only had a few of your things in his house when they caught him both times...and both times it was different items....so, clearly he's an honorable man and he's tellling the truth when he denies he stole your stuff....and you would agree with me that in fact YOU'RE the the guilty one because he stole from you right?

you flaming racist a-hole

Guel… you're so stupid it's beyond comprehension ... I'm the exact opposite of being a racist... What don't YOU get????

Meldonium was fine to use for Americans OR Russians for 30 years… It’s not a PED anymore than aspirin is… It’s an over-the-counter product… YOU can buy it. ANYBODY can buy it like aspirin… But because it’s made in Latvia, which is in Eastern Europe, Westerners have lobbied to have it added to the list for years.. Finally it was added.. If Abbot Labs made it, it would be fine.. Povetkin stopped taking it as soon as it was added to the list.. However minute traces of it will be at the cellular level for some time so WADA determined the allowable trace in a sample was anything under a microgram -- or a millionth of a gram. That's a trace amount that could still be in your system many months after you stopped taking it.

Your analogy of a thief breaking into my house is pure bullcrap.. It more like you were pulled over for speeding when you were doing 25 mph in a 30 mph zone -- but the cop gives you a $500.00 speeding ticket because next week they’re going to put new signs up that have a 20 mph limit. They’re know you’re innocent but they want to frame you because you’re black, and they don’t want you in the neighborhood.

The allowable concentration for Meldonium when Povektin tested for an infinitesimal trace was ANYTHING UNDER 1 MICROGRAM... 1 microgram is 1000 nanograms dummy... Povetkin tested for less than 1/14th that amount or 70 nanograms... Learn how to read and make sense of things.. If Povetkin were an American they wouldn't have said a damned thing or even mentioned such a test... Their favorite buddy who didn't deserve a ranking (Stiverne) but they ranked the #1 mandatory challenger...tested positive for PEDs and they did NOTHING but sweep it under the rug. I also defended Hurricane Carter and other African Americans who were wrongly accused hundreds of times in my posts. This has NOTHING to do with race. This is an issue of nationalism and discrimination against a Russian.