Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson

[Controversial]

Joe Louis was a murderous puncher himself. And he was basically the same size as Evander Holyfileld who beat up Tyson really bad. Like Holyfield, he could punch in great combinations. Holyfield, of course, had better chin, but Louis definitely hit harder and was a bit faster than Evander.

He wasn't even close to Holyfields size. The scale says 10 pounds seperated them. Might as well have been 100. Louis looked like a stick compared to Holyfield Questionable he hit harder. Holyfield wasn't trying to knock out 180 pounders.

Carnera, Buddy Baer, Simon were huge 250-260 lbs guys. And Louis KO'ed them easily

They were also not great HWs. Size doesn’t mean much in isolation. Even then Baer dropped Louis. Plus we can’t forget Galento who fought like he had never stepped in a ring before and he dropped Louis as well. He was big, real big.

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And Tyson never beat a heavyweight who was great the time that Tyson beat them. Sorry Holmes doesn't count.
We need to stop talking about size and start talking more about ability.

[Controversial]

And Tyson never beat a heavyweight who was great the time that Tyson beat them. Sorry Holmes doesn't count.
We need to stop talking about size and start talking more about ability.

What’s your definition of great because I bet there’s several fighters who never beat a great in their prime. What great “big” fighter did Louis ever beat? Louis was skilled but he still was taken many rounds by poor or little opponents, sometimes getting floored in the process. So where does that leave things? If size isn’t relevant then why bother with weight divisions. Let’s face it no 169lb fighter would still be standing after 12 rounds with Tyson, I don’t care how much ability they had.

[MrGuy]

[Tomasino]

He wasn't even close to Holyfields size. The scale says 10 pounds seperated them. Might as well have been 100. Louis looked like a stick compared to Holyfield Questionable he hit harder. Holyfield wasn't trying to knock out 180 pounders.

Carnera, Buddy Baer, Simon were huge 250-260 lbs guys. And Louis KO'ed them easily

They were also not great HWs. Size doesn’t mean much in isolation. Even then Baer dropped Louis. Plus we can’t forget Galento who fought like he had never stepped in a ring before and he dropped Louis as well. He was big, real big.

Galento was a serious hard case. The way you go on you’d think these guys were pansys.

[Controversial]

Carnera, Buddy Baer, Simon were huge 250-260 lbs guys. And Louis KO'ed them easily

They were also not great HWs. Size doesn’t mean much in isolation. Even then Baer dropped Louis. Plus we can’t forget Galento who fought like he had never stepped in a ring before and he dropped Louis as well. He was big, real big.

Galento was a serious hard case. The way you go on you’d think these guys were pansys.

No I’m just not looking through rose tinted glasses. Let’s fqce it if someone like Galento, who was strong, tough but overweight, short and unskilled dropped Tyson you guys would be mentioning it at every opportunity. Why can’t we criticise Louis’ opponents, people are keen to slam everyone Tyson fought but not so keen to look at who Louis fought in return and even less able to answer why a 169lb fighter with no punch was outboxing him for 12 rounds. Instead we are meant to be impressed that Louis knocked him out. Double standards.

[Tomasino]

They were also not great HWs. Size doesn’t mean much in isolation. Even then Baer dropped Louis. Plus we can’t forget Galento who fought like he had never stepped in a ring before and he dropped Louis as well. He was big, real big.

Galento was a serious hard case. The way you go on you’d think these guys were pansys.

No I’m just not looking through rose tinted glasses. Let’s fqce it if someone like Galento, who was strong, tough but overweight, short and unskilled dropped Tyson you guys would be mentioning it at every opportunity. Why can’t we criticise Louis’ opponents, people are keen to slam everyone Tyson fought but not so keen to look at who Louis fought in return and even less able to answer why a 169lb fighter with no punch was outboxing him for 12 rounds. Instead we are meant to be impressed that Louis knocked him out. Double standards.

I’m not slamming Tyson or the guys he fought. I’m just giving my opinion. You are slamming Louis and his comp however...

It was a different era with much tougher fighters. Some weren’t as polished as today’s boxers but they were tougher, more battle hardened warriors. Marciano for example. I never heard Ali or others say they’d have beaten him because he was too light. In an interview Ali said that he thought Marciano was better than Frazier and that he hit incredibly hard. That any pro fighter would suggest they could beat Joe Louis because of size would be unheard of. He was plenty big enough for anyone.

[Controversial]

Galento was a serious hard case. The way you go on you’d think these guys were pansys.

No I’m just not looking through rose tinted glasses. Let’s fqce it if someone like Galento, who was strong, tough but overweight, short and unskilled dropped Tyson you guys would be mentioning it at every opportunity. Why can’t we criticise Louis’ opponents, people are keen to slam everyone Tyson fought but not so keen to look at who Louis fought in return and even less able to answer why a 169lb fighter with no punch was outboxing him for 12 rounds. Instead we are meant to be impressed that Louis knocked him out. Double standards.

I’m not slamming Tyson or the guys he fought. I’m just giving my opinion. You are slamming Louis and his comp however...

It was a different era with much tougher fighters. Some weren’t as polished as today’s boxers but they were tougher, more battle hardened warriors. Marciano for example. I never heard Ali or others say they’d have beaten him because he was too light. In an interview Ali said that he thought Marciano was better than Frazier and that he hit incredibly hard. That any pro fighter would suggest they could beat Joe Louis because of size would be unheard of. He was plenty big enough for anyone.

I have always said Louis was a great fighter. I have also said its unfair to compare eras because times were different. I have also said Louis didn't have a Grade A chin, if your going to give away a stone to a puncher like Tyson one thing you need is a great chin, I have never heard anyone say Louis had a great chin. Marciano is favourite of mine but he wouldn't last long vs Tyson either.

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And Tyson never beat a heavyweight who was great the time that Tyson beat them. Sorry Holmes doesn't count.
We need to stop talking about size and start talking more about ability.

What’s your definition of great because I bet there’s several fighters who never beat a great in their prime. What great “big” fighter did Louis ever beat? Louis was skilled but he still was taken many rounds by poor or little opponents, sometimes getting floored in the process. So where does that leave things? If size isn’t relevant then why bother with weight divisions. Let’s face it no 169lb fighter would still be standing after 12 rounds with Tyson, I don’t care how much ability they had.

Lennox Lewis and for a short time are the only really big fighters who were great. So obviously neither Louis or Tyson did it.
Louis did beat Schmeling and Walcott who were great. Tyson never beat anyone that good.
I agree that the Conn fight was embarrassing. However that is one fight. That wasn't his whole career.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas. Lost to a clearly past it Holyfield. Was unimpressive against Smith. Struggled with James Tillis.
You can't just pick one fight to make one guy look great or look terrible.

Louis had as much punching power and as good of a chin as Tyson. He was smarter. He was tougher.

[Controversial]

And Tyson never beat a heavyweight who was great the time that Tyson beat them. Sorry Holmes doesn't count.
We need to stop talking about size and start talking more about ability.

What’s your definition of great because I bet there’s several fighters who never beat a great in their prime. What great “big” fighter did Louis ever beat? Louis was skilled but he still was taken many rounds by poor or little opponents, sometimes getting floored in the process. So where does that leave things? If size isn’t relevant then why bother with weight divisions. Let’s face it no 169lb fighter would still be standing after 12 rounds with Tyson, I don’t care how much ability they had.

Lennox Lewis and for a short time are the only really big fighters who were great. So obviously neither Louis or Tyson did it.
Louis did beat Schmeling and Walcott who were great. Tyson never beat anyone that good.
I agree that the Conn fight was embarrassing. However that is one fight. That wasn't his whole career.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas. Lost to a clearly past it Holyfield. Was unimpressive against Smith. Struggled with James Tillis.
You can't just pick one fight to make one guy look great or look terrible.

Louis had as much punching power and as good of a chin as Tyson. He was smarter. He was tougher.

I’m not trying to make Louis look bad. You can pick any fighter in history and point to fights they were unimpressive in it. I don’t agree Louis had a chin as good as Tyson and he didn’t hit as hard either. If he did he would’ve had far better results than he did and wouldn’t have hit the deck or been hurt quite so often.

[Kalan]

Joe Louis was a murderous puncher himself. And he was basically the same size as Evander Holyfileld who beat up Tyson really bad. Like Holyfield, he could punch in great combinations. Holyfield, of course, had better chin, but Louis definitely hit harder and was a bit faster than Evander

No Louis DIDN'T punch faster than Holyfield.... There's NO POSSIBLE WAY a little tyke like Billy Conn would rip Holyfield with combinations and flurries like he did Louis.... And Louis never weighed a rock-hard 218 in his LIFE.... so stating that he was about the same size as Holyfield is about as ridiculous as it gets... He was smaller than Michael Spinks.

Quit giving Louis attributes he didn't have... His defense wasn't stellar and that's why a non-boxer like Galento was able to deck him... Little Jimmy Braddock fought his first 50 or so fights as a Light Heavyweight, and was able to put Louis down as well, and Braddock hadn't fought in over 2 years.... There was poor competition at Heavyweight in those days and that's why Louis fought "Bums of the Month.," .... When did anybody who weighed under 200 pounds give Tyson any trouble?

[Kalan]

It was a different era with much tougher fighters. Some weren’t as polished as today’s boxers but they were tougher

Why were they tougher??? Because they didn't box as well??? .... They were a lot smaller -- and they were also white...

The color line was enforced to a great degree in major pro sports in Louis's day - including Boxing... De Facto segregation ruled.. Louis was the first black man to challenge for the Heavyweight Title in over 20 years with massive backing.

In 16 of 16 Heavyweight Title Fights, Mike Tyson faced black men.... They were generally bigger, taller, stronger, and better skilled than Louis's opponents -- but they weren't as tough??? That makes no sense.

The young Razor Ruddock and Tony Tucker could absorb punishment due to their size and strength and natural ability to take a punch... Tyson himself was an iron tough man but obviously his competition was more formidable... Both Louis and Tyson loved night life and women... Their discipline enforcing trainers died... They were not destined to be great at 35.

[MrGuy]

And Tyson never beat a heavyweight who was great the time that Tyson beat them. Sorry Holmes doesn't count.
We need to stop talking about size and start talking more about ability.

What’s your definition of great because I bet there’s several fighters who never beat a great in their prime. What great “big” fighter did Louis ever beat? Louis was skilled but he still was taken many rounds by poor or little opponents, sometimes getting floored in the process. So where does that leave things? If size isn’t relevant then why bother with weight divisions. Let’s face it no 169lb fighter would still be standing after 12 rounds with Tyson, I don’t care how much ability they had.

Lennox Lewis and for a short time are the only really big fighters who were great. So obviously neither Louis or Tyson did it.
Louis did beat Schmeling and Walcott who were great. Tyson never beat anyone that good.
I agree that the Conn fight was embarrassing. However that is one fight. That wasn't his whole career.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas. Lost to a clearly past it Holyfield. Was unimpressive against Smith. Struggled with James Tillis.
You can't just pick one fight to make one guy look great or look terrible.

Louis had as much punching power and as good of a chin as Tyson. He was smarter. He was tougher.

They both had bad performances. A shot Tyson losing to a less shot Holyfield, isn't anywhere near as embarassing as Conn almost upsetting Louis. Conn made it to the 13th one time, and the 7th the next. What says Louis hit as hard? Tyson frequently smashed big guys out while Louis was knocking out 180 pounders. As far as chin Tyson didnt get decked often by average fighters. You had smash him repeatedly to get him down.

[Tomasino]

Did Joe Choynski KO Jack Johnson? Didn’t Doug Jones give Ali hell? How about Bob Fitzsimmons, ever heard of him? Gene Tunney? Sam Langford? Joe Walcott? Nope didn’t think so.

[MrGuy]

Did Joe Choynski KO Jack Johnson? Didn’t Doug Jones give Ali hell? How about Bob Fitzsimmons, ever heard of him? Gene Tunney? Sam Langford? Joe Walcott? Nope didn’t think so.

Ali was also quite inexperienced then. Tunney, Langford, and Fitzsimmons competed at a time where you saw things that couldn't have possibly happened in much later eras. You throw Jones or Toney back then as 168 pounders, and they probably win the heavyweight championship.

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What’s your definition of great because I bet there’s several fighters who never beat a great in their prime. What great “big” fighter did Louis ever beat? Louis was skilled but he still was taken many rounds by poor or little opponents, sometimes getting floored in the process. So where does that leave things? If size isn’t relevant then why bother with weight divisions. Let’s face it no 169lb fighter would still be standing after 12 rounds with Tyson, I don’t care how much ability they had.

Lennox Lewis and for a short time are the only really big fighters who were great. So obviously neither Louis or Tyson did it.
Louis did beat Schmeling and Walcott who were great. Tyson never beat anyone that good.
I agree that the Conn fight was embarrassing. However that is one fight. That wasn't his whole career.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas. Lost to a clearly past it Holyfield. Was unimpressive against Smith. Struggled with James Tillis.
You can't just pick one fight to make one guy look great or look terrible.

Louis had as much punching power and as good of a chin as Tyson. He was smarter. He was tougher.

They both had bad performances. A shot Tyson losing to a less shot Holyfield, isn't anywhere near as embarassing as Conn almost upsetting Louis. Conn made it to the 13th one time, and the 7th the next. What says Louis hit as hard? Tyson frequently smashed big guys out while Louis was knocking out 180 pounders. As far as chin Tyson didnt get decked often by average fighters. You had smash him repeatedly to get him down.

-Holyfield was not less shot than Tyson. Holyfield was 34 to Tyson's 30 and had a taken a lot more punishment in his career. A 30-year old Louis would have beaten the 34-year old Holyfield.

-What says Louis hit as hard as Tyson? Well you can watch him on film.
But since you and some others seem to be with weight, as mentioned previously Louis stopped fighters who weighed over 250.
-As far as chin, Louis didn't get knocked down often by average fighters either. He was knocked down in four different fights near his prime and in 3 of the he got up immediately and stopped the guy later in the fight.

How many times in Tyson's career did he get up from a knockdown to win the fight?

[Kalan]

Did Joe Choynski KO Jack Johnson? Didn’t Doug Jones give Ali hell? How about Bob Fitzsimmons, ever heard of him? Gene Tunney? Sam Langford? Joe Walcott? Nope didn’t think so

Ali was also quite inexperienced then. Tunney, Langford, and Fitzsimmons competed at a time where you saw things that couldn't have possibly happened in much later eras. You throw Jones or Toney back then as 168 pounders, and they probably win the heavyweight championship

Tunney won the title from a guy as small as him. He would get crushed by Tyson, but probably would have beaten Louis when you consider the Louis-Conn fight. Tunney weighed 192 for Tom Heeney which he said was his best performance.

Fitzsimmons won the title from a the very small Jim Corbett (184).... Neither Corbett nor Fitzsimmons reigned for long due to their diminutive size.... They were both knocked out twice by the much bigger and stronger Jim Jeffries – a man who couldn't box as well, but reigned for longer... He had more Title Defenses than Fitzsimmons and Corbett combined.

Joe Choynski’s record v Jack Johnson was 52-11-2.... Johnson’s record was 5-1-2…. Choynski had 10 times the experience… In addition their weights are not recorded. Johnson fought at 168 the previous year and couldn’t have been much bigger… He was a starving hobo and skinny as a rail for much of his early career.

Cassius Clay was 21 and had 17 fights when he faced Doug Jones... Clay had a 14 pound pull in the weights – so he won a UD mainly based on his height, weight, and reach advantages... The experience and power advantages went to Jones who had already faced some of the best Heavyweights and Light Heavyweights in the world, but he couldn’t overcome Clay’s height, weight, and reach advantages.

Doug Jones lost by KO to poorly skilled George Chuvalo, who was much bigger and stronger. Jones was jabbed to death by Ernie Terrell who was much bigger and taller. Jones was knocked cold by Joe Frazier, who was just too big for him. P4P he was a match for any of them but his teeny size did him in.

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Did Joe Choynski KO Jack Johnson? Didn’t Doug Jones give Ali hell? How about Bob Fitzsimmons, ever heard of him? Gene Tunney? Sam Langford? Joe Walcott? Nope didn’t think so.

That argument makes no sense, we are talking about Tyson and Louis. The cruiserweight division was introduced as it was recognised that 176lb men couldn't fairly compete with the big guys. The CW limit was originally 190lb then they upped it to 200lbs. It will not be a huge surprise if in a few years they up it again. There have been thousands of fights over the last 100+ years, there are very few examples where a good little HW has beaten a good big HW who is still in his prime. If it were a regularly occurrence then they would have never introduced a CW division in the first place.

At his best Louis was just over 200lbs but what is more relevant is ability to take a punch from someone bigger, faster and more powerful. Tyson wasn't 220lb of fat, he was rock solid.

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His point was that often a lighter fighter beats a heavier fighter. The needle on the scale doesn't win you fights.
If it was, Louis would have lost to guys much bigger than Tyson.
Tyson was more powerful than Douglas. He was also faster. And he still lost.

You are ignoring many factors. Louis was taller and had a longer reach. He had a better jab. He was better defensively. He was tougher. He was a more accurate puncher. He was a smarter fighter than Tyson who unlike Tyson had a Plan B.

All you keep saying is that Louis would not be able to take Tyson's power. As if Louis would have just stood there wide open and let Tyson nail him.

Since Louis was more accurate and better defensively, Louis would land more often and would be more likely to land his best shot first.
What happens if Louis nails Tyson with a major shot? You seriously don't think he could hurt him? Louis was one of the best finishers the sport ever saw when he hurt a guy.

[Tomasino]

His point was that often a lighter fighter beats a heavier fighter. The needle on the scale doesn't win you fights.
If it was, Louis would have lost to guys much bigger than Tyson.
Tyson was more powerful than Douglas. He was also faster. And he still lost.

You are ignoring many factors. Louis was taller and had a longer reach. He had a better jab. He was better defensively. He was tougher. He was a more accurate puncher. He was a smarter fighter than Tyson who unlike Tyson had a Plan B.

All you keep saying is that Louis would not be able to take Tyson's power. As if Louis would have just stood there wide open and let Tyson nail him.

Since Louis was more accurate and better defensively, Louis would land more often and would be more likely to land his best shot first.
What happens if Louis nails Tyson with a major shot? You seriously don't think he could hurt him? Louis was one of the best finishers the sport ever saw when he hurt a guy.

yes yes but did you ever see mikes biceps, they were huge compared to louis

[Kalan]

His point was that often a lighter fighter beats a heavier fighter. The needle on the scale doesn't win you fights.
If it was, Louis would have lost to guys much bigger than Tyson.
Tyson was more powerful than Douglas. He was also faster. And he still lost.

You are ignoring many factors. Louis was taller and had a longer reach. He had a better jab. He was better defensively. He was tougher. He was a more accurate puncher. He was a smarter fighter than Tyson who unlike Tyson had a Plan B.

All you keep saying is that Louis would not be able to take Tyson's power. As if Louis would have just stood there wide open and let Tyson nail him.

Since Louis was more accurate and better defensively, Louis would land more often and would be more likely to land his best shot first.
What happens if Louis nails Tyson with a major shot? You seriously don't think he could hurt him? Louis was one of the best finishers the sport ever saw when he hurt a guy.

yes yes but did you ever see mikes biceps, they were huge compared to louis

So were his triceps, forearms, neck, shoulders, torso and legs... Saying Louis was faster, smarter, and a better defender is like saying "May daddy can beat your daddy" because you're providing nothing to back that up.

Michael Spinks was heavier than Max Baer, and undefeated Light Heavyweight AND Heavyweight Champion... Tyson proved to be pretty damned fast wiping him out... He proved to be defensively effective since Spinks landed 2 punches... How much smarter do you have to be when you're facing a crusierweight and bomb him out smartly in 91 seconds?

The international competition wasn't there for Louis in the 30's .... And because of the color line, neither was the domestic competition.... Tyson would have had Louis out of there as fast as he did Spinks in a blitz job.... If Galento, Braddock, Baer, and Schmeling could deck Louis a total of six (6) times (what kind of a defense do you need for that?) Tyson would finish him off because he was 100 X better than an obese beer belly like Galento.

[MrGuy]

Lennox Lewis and for a short time are the only really big fighters who were great. So obviously neither Louis or Tyson did it.
Louis did beat Schmeling and Walcott who were great. Tyson never beat anyone that good.
I agree that the Conn fight was embarrassing. However that is one fight. That wasn't his whole career.

Tyson lost to Buster Douglas. Lost to a clearly past it Holyfield. Was unimpressive against Smith. Struggled with James Tillis.
You can't just pick one fight to make one guy look great or look terrible.

Louis had as much punching power and as good of a chin as Tyson. He was smarter. He was tougher.

They both had bad performances. A shot Tyson losing to a less shot Holyfield, isn't anywhere near as embarassing as Conn almost upsetting Louis. Conn made it to the 13th one time, and the 7th the next. What says Louis hit as hard? Tyson frequently smashed big guys out while Louis was knocking out 180 pounders. As far as chin Tyson didnt get decked often by average fighters. You had smash him repeatedly to get him down.

-Holyfield was not less shot than Tyson. Holyfield was 34 to Tyson's 30 and had a taken a lot more punishment in his career. A 30-year old Louis would have beaten the 34-year old Holyfield.

-What says Louis hit as hard as Tyson? Well you can watch him on film.
But since you and some others seem to be with weight, as mentioned previously Louis stopped fighters who weighed over 250.
-As far as chin, Louis didn't get knocked down often by average fighters either. He was knocked down in four different fights near his prime and in 3 of the he got up immediately and stopped the guy later in the fight.

How many times in Tyson's career did he get up from a knockdown to win the fight?

Watching the sport I'm sure you know fighters are shot at different ages. Being away for 3 1/2 years finished off a guy already in decline. I've seen the film and nothing indicates Louis was in Tysons zip code as far as power. As far as chin you had to give the guy a prolonged beating to drop him. Not the same with Louis.

[Tomasino]

Some folk cant see the wood for the trees. Carry on boys

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His point was that often a lighter fighter beats a heavier fighter. The needle on the scale doesn't win you fights.
If it was, Louis would have lost to guys much bigger than Tyson.
Tyson was more powerful than Douglas. He was also faster. And he still lost.

You are ignoring many factors. Louis was taller and had a longer reach. He had a better jab. He was better defensively. He was tougher. He was a more accurate puncher. He was a smarter fighter than Tyson who unlike Tyson had a Plan B.

All you keep saying is that Louis would not be able to take Tyson's power. As if Louis would have just stood there wide open and let Tyson nail him.

Since Louis was more accurate and better defensively, Louis would land more often and would be more likely to land his best shot first.
What happens if Louis nails Tyson with a major shot? You seriously don't think he could hurt him? Louis was one of the best finishers the sport ever saw when he hurt a guy.

No it's not as simple as saying the heavier fighter will often win. No one is saying that and if they are they are dumb. The point is Louis didn't have a fantastic chin so not only would he conceding weight and strength he would have to take punches off one of the fastest and hardest punchers the HW division has ever seen.

If Tyson hit Louis with his hardest punch, and vice versa, who is likely to come off worse? The fact that Louis was dropped or hurt by smaller and lighter punchers than Tyson tips the balance in favour of Tyson. Can you honestly see a 5'9" Galento dropping Tyson? Conn was 169lb and not a puncher (62 wins with only 13 stoppages) yet he hurt Louis, again can you seriously see a 169lb fighter with a 15% KO ratio doing that to Tyson?

Tyson had a very good chin, apart from his losses Tyson was never dropped or visibly hurt in any other fight that I can recall. He was invariably fighting guys bigger than him too whereas Louis mainly fought guys smaller than himself. Douglas hit Tyson solidly for 10 rounds before he dropped. Holyfield only dropped him once in two fights, in the 6th round of their first fight, Tyson was on his feet when the ref stopped the fight in the 11th. Holyfield was freakishly strong for his weight and had a great chin. Some people have their theories how Holyfield managed to be so strong but thats another story.

Lets no forget Louis was also knocked out his prime by a fighter who never weighed over todays CW limit in his entire career. Schmeling had previously been knocked out in the first and second round by other opponents too.

If Louis had a ATG chin then his weight would be less relevant but he simply didn't posses that attribute.

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Could I see Galento knocking Tyson down a short count like he did Louis? Yes.
So now Galento's height means he can't punch? huh?
Well guess what? Louis was taller than Tyson. In fact Tyson was about as close in height to Galento as he was to Louis.

Schmeling did weigh less than the magical 200 pound mark. He also hit harder than Buster Douglas. Yes, it is possible for a lighter man to hit harder than a heavier man.
No, I don't see Buster Douglas knocking out Louis.
No, I don't see Holyfield stopping Louis.
Schmeling hit harder than Holyfield. Michael Moorer had a glass jaw and won a decision against Holyfield. Other fighters survived Holyfield's punches. Not Tyson. Tyson got decked by him and was hurt badly enough for the referee to come and stop it.
Tucker and Ruddock hurt Tyson.

You think all that matters is power and chin, which I think are pretty even.
How often each fighter gets hit would probably make the difference as it usually does. Louis had the better defense and was more accurate. He would be landing much more than Tyson. You keep ignoring that.