Best Heavyweight outside the Top 10 TBRB

[Ruthless-RKO]

1 Anthony Joshua 20-0-0 (20)
2 Deontay Wilder 40-0-0 (39)
3 Joseph Parker 24-0-0 (18)
4 Luis Ortiz 28-1-0 (24)
5 Kubrat Pulev 25-1-0 (13)
6 Alexander Povetkin 33-1-0 (23)
7 Dillian Whyte 22-1-0 (16)
8 Carlos Takam 35-4-1 (27)
9 Jarrell Miller 20-0-1 (18)
10 Dominic Breazeale 19-1-0 (17)
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Not including the above, who is the best HW..

So this would include the likes of..
Adam Kownacki
Christian Hammer
Charles Martin
Johann Duhaupas
Lucas Browne
David Haye
Carlos Takam
Junlong Zhang
Agit Kabayel
Manuel Charr

[jamamb]

parker at 3 is a joke. shows that even supposed experts still give abc crap titles way to much worth. ffs he looked utterly clueless for like 7 rounds vs obese andy and he could hardly put a glove on hughie

and compare povetkins resume 2015 on to pulevs. povetkins much stronger

btw just go to the boxrec forum hw top 15 thread, its basically wut ur looking for

[gilgamesh]

I currently would rank Duhaupas in the Top 10 personally so he's my answer in this thread.

[Badhusker]

parker at 3 is a joke. shows that even supposed experts still give abc crap titles way to much worth. ffs he looked utterly clueless for like 7 rounds vs obese andy and he could hardly put a glove on hughie

and compare povetkins resume 2015 on to pulevs. povetkins much stronger

btw just go to the boxrec forum hw top 15 thread, its basically wut ur looking for

Lets hope the old saying styles make fights is true with Parker vs AJ. Wlad could'nt put a glove on Tyson Fury, but had a lot of success vs AJ. AJ won't run like Hughie did. I expect a good fight with Parker vs AJ for as long as it lasts, but won't be surprised if it will go 12. The only advantage Parker has is his chin, imo, but that may help him in this fight get to the final bell.

[Heretic]

Wilder at 2 and Parker at 3

First ranking criteria being the trinkets?

What a joke

[Ruthless-RKO]

Wilder at 2 and Parker at 3

First ranking criteria being the trinkets?

What a joke

Seriously though, who if anyone below them would you rank at #2 and #3?

[Heretic]

Seriously how about Povetkin and Pulev?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Seriously how about Povetkin and Pulev?

I'd have no argument over Pulev if his last two fights weren't against semi-retired fighters. I believe Povetkin was ranked higher before all the ped stuff came about.

[Enlightened-One]

Best Heavyweight outside the Top 10 TBRB

Andy Ruiz Jr. or David Haye, but the American might just edge it, because his accomplishments for the last 5½ years far exceed anything the Brit has achieved over that timeframe.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Best Heavyweight outside the Top 10 TBRB

Andy Ruiz Jr. or David Haye, but the American might just edge it, because his accomplishments for the last 5½ years far exceed anything the Brit has achieved over that timeframe.

I forgot about him myself. He was actually still ranked in the top 10 until sometime last year, due to inactivity I believe.

[Enlightened-One]

Best Heavyweight outside the Top 10 TBRB

Andy Ruiz Jr. or David Haye, but the American might just edge it, because his accomplishments for the last 5½ years far exceed anything the Brit has achieved over that timeframe.

I forgot about him myself. He was actually still ranked in the top 10 until sometime last year, due to inactivity I believe.

He has got himself a new trainer (Memo Heredia) and he’s allegedly appearing on the undercard of the Gilberto Ramirez-Habib Ahmed WBO super middleweight championship title fight scheduled for the 3rd February. I think he was trying to get a fight with Chris Arreola, but nothing has been confirmed yet.

He's a technically qualified world title challenger and could possibly face Joseph Parker or Deontay Wilder before the end of 2018 (assuming both champions don't lose interim bouts).

[chinarich]

I'd like to see if Kownacki can prove that his victory over Spilka wasn't just a flash in the pan. He hadn't beaten anyone of note prior to that and hasn't fought since meaning he's been out of the ring six months and lost all that momentum. I get that the champions are only active 2-3 times a year but chaps coming up like Kownacki should be out every three months...

[Ilya Muromets]

I'd like to see if Kownacki can prove that his victory over Spilka wasn't just a flash in the pan. He hadn't beaten anyone of note prior to that and hasn't fought since meaning he's been out of the ring six months and lost all that momentum. I get that the champions are only active 2-3 times a year but chaps coming up like Kownacki should be out every three months...

Agreed. The K brothers were fighting every couple of weeks at the beginning. Kownacki was very impressive in the Szpilka fight. He's fighting in Brooklyn next week, Jan 20.

[Freedom2013]

Filip Hrgovic

[Boxing Writer]

Filip Hrgovic

He is good. I think he would beat Manuel Charr right now. Other novices Dubois and Sirenko would likely beat Charr too. Both of them never hadn't fought anybody even relatively good, but they definitely have the talent, strenght and power. As for Hrgovic, I have no doubts at all that he would beat Charr even in his pro debut.

[jamamb]

Wilder at 2 and Parker at 3

First ranking criteria being the trinkets?

What a joke

Seriously though, who if anyone below them would you rank at #2 and #3?

wilders fine at 2 but id have aj, wilder, povetkin, pulev, miller, and ortiz above parker. parker imo lost to ruiz close but clear and arguably hughie. i think povetkin at least is quite clear above parker.

parker gets overrated just for having a belt

[Ruthless-RKO]

Wilder at 2 and Parker at 3

First ranking criteria being the trinkets?

What a joke

Seriously though, who if anyone below them would you rank at #2 and #3?

wilders fine at 2 but id have aj, wilder, povetkin, pulev, miller, and ortiz above parker. parker imo lost to ruiz close but clear and arguably hughie. i think povetkin at least is quite clear above parker.

parker gets overrated just for having a belt

I'm just imagining, had he fough AJ a year ago as the IBF mandatory and gotten beat. He'd probably just be 'another guy that AJ beat'..

[KiwiRider]

I'd like to see if Kownacki can prove that his victory over Spilka wasn't just a flash in the pan. He hadn't beaten anyone of note prior to that and hasn't fought since meaning he's been out of the ring six months and lost all that momentum. I get that the champions are only active 2-3 times a year but chaps coming up like Kownacki should be out every three months...

He needs to fight regularly. I would put him just inside the top ten

[chinarich]

I'd like to see if Kownacki can prove that his victory over Spilka wasn't just a flash in the pan. He hadn't beaten anyone of note prior to that and hasn't fought since meaning he's been out of the ring six months and lost all that momentum. I get that the champions are only active 2-3 times a year but chaps coming up like Kownacki should be out every three months...

He needs to fight regularly. I would put him just inside the top ten

Yep, unfortunately his next opponent (Kiladze) will tell us nothing about his potential, it seems more a return to his usual calibre of opposition. If he can't get meaningful fights then he should be out every 6-8 weeks against guys like that not waiting around six months.

[Lennox]

TNBR are normally good but the ratings have got screwed because of their position on Peds. They won't rank Ortiz and have marked Povetkin to 5.

[Mexi-Box]

Takam would be my pick. Duhaupus got crushed by Povetkin while Takam was competitive. He was also competitive against Joshua.

Surprised that Kuzmin got a lot of backlash from the Mansour fight. Guy was on his way to winning it until it was stopped. Considering how garbage the top 10 is currently, I think a win over Mansour would be enough to get Kuzmin into the top 10.

[Lennox]

Takam would be my pick. Duhaupus got crushed by Povetkin while Takam was competitive. He was also competitive against Joshua.

Surprised that Kuzmin got a lot of backlash from the Mansour fight. Guy was on his way to winning it until it was stopped. Considering how garbage the top 10 is currently, I think a win over Mansour would be enough to get Kuzmin into the top 10.

Takam is already in. Kuzmin is still too unproven to be top 10 with a Mansour win. I think Mansour is ok at a top 20 level. I think it has to be who like you best out of the Hammer-Wach-Duhauppas but I certainly agree the quality is pretty thin beyond the 8 or 9 level.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Kuzmin wasn't winning that fight. Nothing really happened. The way it was going, Mansour was getting the better of him.

[Lennox]

Kuzmin wasn't winning that fight. Nothing really happened. The way it was going, Mansour was getting the better of him.

Its on you tube for anyone to see and decide. I only casually watched but had the 1st round evenish, then I thought Kuzmin won the next two, my lose observation was that Mansour got into opponent mode but with it only being 3 rounds and the clash it was probably too early to really make a call. I can be certain that at this stage neither is good enough for top 10 and would need to significantly improve.

[Mexi-Box]

Kuzmin wasn't winning that fight. Nothing really happened. The way it was going, Mansour was getting the better of him.

"Mansour was getting the better of him."