Cruiserweight tournament at 200

[RandomPoster]

Evander Holyfield vs. Joe Frazier
Michael Spinks vs. Floyd Patterson

Dwight Qawi vs. Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney vs. Rocky Maricano

[BoxBuzz]

Evander Holyfield vs. Joe Frazier
Michael Spinks vs. Floyd Patterson

Dwight Qawi vs. Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney vs. Rocky Maricano

I'll be the odd man out here.......I'm sure.

Frazier beats Holy according to the judges they are a bit more impressed with his kamikaze self sacrificing tactics....and his effective offense............but will not win another fight in the series...because he gets decimated along the way. Such a fight could a career ender for both, because of the spirit of these men.

Spinks beats Patterson......good close fight.....Floyd being decked oncemakes the difference.

Qawi beats Roy Jones because he relentlessly steps inside and pummels him and can actually handle the incoming. (Pretty sure I'm the only one here who calls this fight in this manner) And I wouldn't bet on it.....because I'm not at all certain of it. I just think his relentless aggressiveness combined with his good chin would be just the sort of LHW to get 'r done.

Toney beats Marciano in a great highly entertaining give and take. This is one I WOULD bet on. (Bet I'm alone on that one as well.)

[Counter-puncher]

Evander Holyfield vs. Joe Frazier
Michael Spinks vs. Floyd Patterson

Dwight Qawi vs. Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney vs. Rocky Maricano

I'll be the odd man out here.......I'm sure.

Frazier beats Holy according to the judges they are a bit more impressed with his kamikaze self sacrificing tactics....and his effective offense............but will not win another fight in the series...because he gets decimated along the way. Such a fight could a career ender for both, because of the spirit of these men.

Spinks beats Patterson......good close fight.....Floyd being decked oncemakes the difference.

Qawi beats Roy Jones because he relentlessly steps inside and pummels him and can actually handle the incoming. (Pretty sure I'm the only one here who calls this fight in this manner) And I wouldn't bet on it.....because I'm not at all certain of it. I just think his relentless aggressiveness combined with his good chin would be just the sort of LHW to get 'r done.

Toney beats Marciano in a great highly entertaining give and take. This is one I WOULD bet on. (Bet I'm alone on that one as well.)

Qawi would make Jones soil his shorts

[Tomasino]

Evander Holyfield vs. Joe Frazier
Michael Spinks vs. Floyd Patterson

Dwight Qawi vs. Roy Jones Jr.
James Toney vs. Rocky Maricano

Frazier UD Holyfield

Spinks KO 6 Patterson

Qawi KO 7 Jones

Rocky UD Toney. If Tibieri can do it so can Rocky!

[HomicideHenry]

Marciano defeats Toney. Why? As close and competitive as Toney vs Jirov was, Marciano was so much better and dangerous than Vasily. It'd be a very entertaining fight, like Marciano/Charles, though that's probably being too generous to Toney. Somewhere between the Moore fight and Charles, is the kind of match I'd expect.

Qawi beats Jones (IMHO). The fights he had with Holyfield was absolutely brutal, and he damn near won and I rank Holyfield higher than Jones. Qawi, despite being 5'7" also had a fairly competitive heavyweight career as well. I have little doubt he'd of beaten a Ruiz just like Jones. Hell, he'd of probably beaten Byrd's ass as well.

Patterson, IMHO, edges Spinks. Faster hands. Greater success at higher weights. It'd of been a very entertaining fight, and would have been either a majority decision or split decision.

Frazier and Holyfield... Sheesh... If Holyfield beating Tyson is an indicator, along with Qawi who was also of that same style, I have to believe that Holyfield could have duplicated the feat against Frazier. It'd of been a brutal contest with both guys pissing blood for about a month after the fact. But Evander could throw combos in rapid fire succession, and had good movement and could take a powerful punch only to come back harder. That makes the difference. It'd go the distance, but Holyfield wins.

[Tomasino]

Holy vs Frazier is a tough call!

[BoxBuzz]

Marciano defeats Toney. Why? As close and competitive as Toney vs Jirov was, Marciano was so much better and dangerous than Vasily. It'd be a very entertaining fight, like Marciano/Charles, though that's probably being too generous to Toney. Somewhere between the Moore fight and Charles, is the kind of match I'd expect.

Qawi beats Jones (IMHO). The fights he had with Holyfield was absolutely brutal, and he damn near won and I rank Holyfield higher than Jones. Qawi, despite being 5'7" also had a fairly competitive heavyweight career as well. I have little doubt he'd of beaten a Ruiz just like Jones. Hell, he'd of probably beaten Byrd's ass as well.

Patterson, IMHO, edges Spinks. Faster hands. Greater success at higher weights. It'd of been a very entertaining fight, and would have been either a majority decision or split decision.

Frazier and Holyfield... Sheesh... If Holyfield beating Tyson is an indicator, along with Qawi who was also of that same style, I have to believe that Holyfield could have duplicated the feat against Frazier. It'd of been a brutal contest with both guys pissing blood for about a month after the fact. But Evander could throw combos in rapid fire succession, and had good movement and could take a powerful punch only to come back harder. That makes the difference. It'd go the distance, but Holyfield wins.

Holy barely beat Qawi......he can't parlay that into a win over Frazier.

[HomicideHenry]

BoxBuzz... Considering the success Holyfield had following the win, no matter how closely contested, in comparison to how Qawi faired after the loss... Is an indicator that the right man indeed won the contest. Besides the rematch proved that Holyfield was the better man anyways.

[BoxBuzz]

Fair enough, but he struggled mightily with a jr buzzsaw.......I'm just not sure he's getting past the full sized model.

[HomicideHenry]

Fair enough, but he struggled mightily with a jr buzzsaw.......I'm just not sure he's getting past the full sized model.

I'd argue that Qawi was more "complete" in his arsenal than say Frazier was. Joe relied heavily on the left hook, and he could be a rather slow starter. He was also more wide open. A guy like Holyfield who used alot of jabs and lateral movement, plus combinations in rapid fire succession, would play hell for a guy like Frazier. Qawi threw punches in combination and could bang in either hand and was rather explosive in bursts. Joe wasn't like that.

[Trent]

Winner of this tournament fights joe Louis. How awesome would that be !

[BoxBuzz]

Fair enough, but he struggled mightily with a jr buzzsaw.......I'm just not sure he's getting past the full sized model.

I'd argue that Qawi was more "complete" in his arsenal than say Frazier was. Joe relied heavily on the left hook, and he could be a rather slow starter. He was also more wide open. A guy like Holyfield who used alot of jabs and lateral movement, plus combinations in rapid fire succession, would play hell for a guy like Frazier. Qawi threw punches in combination and could bang in either hand and was rather explosive in bursts. Joe wasn't like that.

Duely noted, and I don't totaly disagree.....but the power difference is being underated by you IMHO. I think the judges would be swayed (fairly or unfairly) by Joe's work on the inside, and his power. Also.....you might not want to underestimate Joe's right hand from his very peak....which may have been a shade before the Ali fight.

AND.....there is no quit in either of these guys. So it's a very destructive event....not sure either guy would be very smart to sign up for this........

[HomicideHenry]

Fair enough, but he struggled mightily with a jr buzzsaw.......I'm just not sure he's getting past the full sized model.

I'd argue that Qawi was more "complete" in his arsenal than say Frazier was. Joe relied heavily on the left hook, and he could be a rather slow starter. He was also more wide open. A guy like Holyfield who used alot of jabs and lateral movement, plus combinations in rapid fire succession, would play hell for a guy like Frazier. Qawi threw punches in combination and could bang in either hand and was rather explosive in bursts. Joe wasn't like that.

Duely noted, and I don't totaly disagree.....but the power difference is being underated by you IMHO. I think the judges would be swayed (fairly or unfairly) by Joe's work on the inside, and his power. Also.....you might not want to underestimate Joe's right hand from his very peak....which may have been a shade before the Ali fight.

AND.....there is no quit in either of these guys. So it's a very destructive event....not sure either guy would be very smart to sign up for this........

Frazier had the power, no question. Frazier had unbelievable conditioning that was on par with Holyfield. He could take punishment just like Evander could. But, again, he was a slow starter and relied heavily on the left hook, and he wasn't the most defensive guy in the world. Fact of business he wasn't particularly fast, whereas Holyfield had quick hands and feet. He could dart in and out of range, whereas Frazier just had one gear. It'd be a tough competitive fight, absolutely, I made that clear in my first post. I just think H2H Evander had more tools and more abilities.

[BoxBuzz]

Frazier was very elusive in his run up....though fearless as well, but when he chose to move, he absolutely could in the early days....very quick....I have come to believe he lost that ability when his eyesight started to deteriorate....but until he met Foreman, he really never met anyone that could ring his bell....as such he developed a false sense of security in the face of a truly heavy hitter.

I think Frazier just takes the Qawi fight to another level........the balancer here is that Holy did continue to improve after the Qawi performance.....but enough to take on a true "Qawi 2.0"? or more like a 3.0. It's a fair debate.