Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson

[Kalan]

Tomasinine you stupid fart stain... Stop stinking out the site with your hateful harangues.... Go flush your stinking self and save precious oxygen for higher life forms.... bye now

[Tomasino]

Tomasinine you stupid fart stain... Stop stinking out the site with your hateful harangues.... Go flush your stinking self and save precious oxygen for higher life forms.... bye now

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- Pretty feisty for a grunty, runty, little squirt.

One dollar flyswatter from the local Bargain Mart makes quick work of you.

[Kalan]

- Pretty feisty for a grunty, runty, little squirt.

One dollar flyswatter from the local Bargain Mart makes quick work of you.

Right... Feisty with a keyboard, but not too bright or creative.

[Tomasino]

- Pretty feisty for a grunty, runty, little squirt.

One dollar flyswatter from the local Bargain Mart makes quick work of you.

Oh wow another fûckin tough guy

You boys suit each other...you know, most of the posters on this thread are real actual people, like Alp, Counter and GOldie. I know where they are from and they know where I’m from, what we do for a living etc etc and in a lot of cases what we actually look like and it’s the same with lots of posters on History and UK and Irish forums. It’s never questioned here because we are all just regular guys who enjoy boxing. We tend to not denigrate fighters unless they are out an out wrong uns (Margarito, Tyson, Butler etc)

None of us claim to be former great fighters or that we can spark out “ATGs” etc etc. None of us write in a very strange way with lots of childish words and semi literate riddles. Nobody but you pair call any of us names or make up fantasies about beating us up or whatever. We are real and you guys are fornicating fantasy.

Nuff said

[Kalan]

We tend to not denigrate fighters unless they are out an out wrong uns

Right Tomasinine... You don't denigrate fighters unless you don't like them... Which makes them wrong uns.

You're a simple ignoramus who doesn't like somebody voicing a convincing argument you're opposed to... You start name calling like Old-N-Moldie... You 2 flakes were tossing all kinds of keyboard bombs and nastiness at each other when you didn't agree... Now you're blowing each other... You must be related to Charlie Zelenoff, the world's biggest idiot.

[Tomasino]

We tend to not denigrate fighters unless they are out an out wrong uns

Right Tomasinine... You don't denigrate fighters unless you don't like them... Which makes them wrong uns.

You're a simple ignoramus who doesn't like somebody voicing a convincing argument you're opposed to... You start name calling like Old-N-Moldie... You 2 flakes were tossing all kinds of keyboard bombs and nastiness at each other when you didn't agree... Now you're blowing each other... You must be related to Charlie Zelenoff, the world's biggest idiot.

Why did you claim you were a heavyweight boxer? Why did you lie about the Vietnam war?

[Kalan]

Because I was an amateur and professional boxer in the Heavyweight Divsion you lying jackass.... And I was in the Marine Corp before the Viet Nam War even started... I didn't say anything about that war that wasn't true... Nam was as stupid for us to engage in as you are every day of your life... I had friends who were killed and maimed in that war.

[Controversial]

Because I was an amateur and professional boxer in the Heavyweight Divsion you lying jackass....

Is your record on boxrec Kalan, would people recognise your name if you said it?

[Cojimar 1946]

Ruddock was a good puncher and Tyson was able to overcome him. I think Tyson's era was well ahead of Louis's H2H

[Cojimar 1946]

Some people seem to have this notion that being a great heavyweight in one era translates to equal results in other eras and I don't think that's the case. Jim Jeffries was one of the best heavyweights of his day but very few would pick him to beat Lennox Lewis.

[Tomasino]

Because I was an amateur and professional boxer in the Heavyweight Divsion you lying jackass.... And I was in the Marine Corp before the Viet Nam War even started... I didn't say anything about that war that wasn't true... Nam was as stupid for us to engage in as you are every day of your life... I had friends who were killed and maimed in that war.

Name one guy you fought as a professional...

[Tomasino]

Some people seem to have this notion that being a great heavyweight in one era translates to equal results in other eras and I don't think that's the case. Jim Jeffries was one of the best heavyweights of his day but very few would pick him to beat Lennox Lewis.

This is true, but we are talking Joe Louis here, who was not dissimilar to Holyfield in size, and weight, and he didn't do so badly up until 1999 did he? For sure Tyson was no giant like Lewis or Bowe.

Tyson did a meet and greet in the UK recently and he is quite a small guy, I'd say 5'9 tops and not even very broad now. He was roided up young by the dream chasing Cus.

[Cojimar 1946]

Holyfield was exceptionally durable. More durable than Louis by a fair margin I would say. Louis getting dropped and hurt by the likes of Braddock, Galento, etc don't seem to bode well for his chances against Tyson. I don't think Braddock or Schmelling could drop and hurt Holyfield.

More importantly there is the issue of PEDs. Back in Louis's day steroids didn't exist. It seems common sense to me that fighters who don't have access to steroids will be at a disadvantage against fighters that are on steroids. If we want to give Louis a better chance in this matchup it might help to give him access to streroids.

[Kalan]

Because I was an amateur and professional boxer in the Heavyweight Divsion you lying jackass.... And I was in the Marine Corp before the Viet Nam War even started... I didn't say anything about that war that wasn't true... Nam was as stupid for us to engage in as you are every day of your life... I had friends who were killed and maimed in that war.

That might well be due to the fact they were ACTUAL MARINES, who had the guts to go and put their lives on the line, whereas you DIDN'T

Neither did Ali put his life on the line... Ali is fondly remembered for standing up to the US Government and rejecting the armed services... The war is the reason he rejected the draft... "I don't have nothing against those Viet Cong" I was an actual Marine and serving my country when our involvement in the Viet Nam War started.... But there were thousands of US servicemen who mistakenly went to fight and saw the atrocities 1st hand -- and rejected what they saw as moral or okay for human beings to do to innocent women and children... They knew we were bombing the North and using Agent Orange and napalm on people. The question always was "Why?" .... What possible national interest did all this needless death and destruction serve? Nobody ever had an answer that made any sense...

I viewed it as a war to profit the defense industry - something Eisenhower called "The Military Industrial Complex."

[Kalan]

That might well be due to the fact they were ACTUAL MARINES, who had the guts to go and put their lives on the line, whereas you DIDN'T

Neither did Ali put his life on the line... Ali is fondly remembered for standing up to the US Government and rejecting the armed services... The war is the reason he rejected the draft... "I don't have nothing against those Viet Cong" I was an actual Marine and serving my country when our involvement in the Viet Nam War started.... But there were thousands of US servicemen who mistakenly went to fight and saw the atrocities 1st hand -- and rejected what they saw as moral or okay for human beings to do to innocent women and children... They knew we were bombing the North and using Agent Orange and napalm on people. The question always was "Why?" .... What possible national interest did all this needless death and destruction serve? Nobody ever had an answer that made any sense...

I viewed it as a war to profit the defense industry - something Eisenhower called "The Military Industrial Complex."

Ali has got NOTHING to do with it, though in your desperation you are trying to make a connection between him and yourself.

Ali was never IN the Marine Corp, you were ( allegedly ) and you didn't have the guts to go to a war that your comrades did have the guts to go to. Big difference

You're full of both crap and hate dumbass.... Just about everybody views the Viet Nam War as morally objectionable today.... And many young people did around the same time I did... Including young and old soldiers and military folks.

Whether you're in the military or NOT, if you're killing and maiming innocent people -- or even lending to that effort or failing to speak out against it -- that's a blot on your immortal soul.... God will hold you to account for it.

[Kalan]

Spoken like a true hater.... Nobody, not even soldiers that went to war ever told me I did a bad thing... In fact several said they wished they made the same decision I did, but were blinded by so called duty to their country.

I suppose you think the soldiers who fought in Hitler's army were heroes and those who joined the resistance were cowards.... Everyone makes a moral choice with everything they do.... Most people believe in Almighty God and many separate from him for a time, but they generally come to their senses and come back to him... Just as all the Veit Nam Vet Against the War regretted what they did in the end... They all came to their senses and took the right path.

The state is not almighty and doesn't rule people lives... Slavery was legal for may years and was condoned by the US... The Civil War was fought brother against brother... You always have a choice which side you're on: Good or Evil.

[MrGuy]

Q.
What did Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis ALL have in common?
A.
They all took the fight straight to Tyson from the off. Answering every one of his punches with 2 of their own, making him the defensive fighter, not the aggressor, and the clueless clown didn't know what to do about it.

Two of the three have the fact in common they fought him when he was washed up.

[Controversial]

I only hate gutless scum like you. Morals have nothing to do with it and your soppy fukkin god doesn't exist. If you were a marine ( which I doubt ) it was your duty to follow orders whether those orders meant going to Vietnam or not. That is why those that died were / are considered to be heroes by their countrymen. Whereas the likes of you who were allegedly in the marines but didn't go, are considered to be cowards.

If people could join the forces and simply pick and choose whatever they wanted to do EVERY country in the world would have armies of millions sh,it for brains.

Would I call my sons heroes if they got killed in some Middle Eastern country or had their limbs blown off, probably not. I would be very bitter, angry and sad especially as these type of conflicts haven't really achieved anything and probably made things worse. Defending your country is one thing but fighting because some politician has decided you should is another thing altogether. Especially when I doubt most these politicians children wouldn't be the ones in danger. Too many of our troops needlessly killed, disfigured and maimed all for what? Thats not including the mental scars it leaves. More of our troops who fought in the Falklands committed suicide afterwards than actually died in that battle. If our country actually looked after them and treated them as heroes that would be great, unfortunately they leave the forces and many end up with mental health problems, drink/drug addictions or unable to work. Its disgusting how we treat our troops. I think more and more people think like this now, probably why more troops are leaving the forces than joining, they are really starting to struggle to recruit now.

[Tomasino]

Because I was an amateur and professional boxer in the Heavyweight Divsion you lying jackass.... And I was in the Marine Corp before the Viet Nam War even started... I didn't say anything about that war that wasn't true... Nam was as stupid for us to engage in as you are every day of your life... I had friends who were killed and maimed in that war.

That might well be due to the fact they were ACTUAL MARINES, who had the guts to go and put their lives on the line, whereas you DIDN'T

Neither did Ali put his life on the line... Ali is fondly remembered for standing up to the US Government and rejecting the armed services... The war is the reason he rejected the draft... "I don't have nothing against those Viet Cong" I was an actual Marine and serving my country when our involvement in the Viet Nam War started.... But there were thousands of US servicemen who mistakenly went to fight and saw the atrocities 1st hand -- and rejected what they saw as moral or okay for human beings to do to innocent women and children... They knew we were bombing the North and using Agent Orange and napalm on people. The question always was "Why?" .... What possible national interest did all this needless death and destruction serve? Nobody ever had an answer that made any sense...

I viewed it as a war to profit the defense industry - something Eisenhower called "The Military Industrial Complex."

So you were jailed and the discharged in disgrace...you lying piece of shîte.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Do you know what else Cus told Tyson? That he could never have beaten Joe Louis in his prime.

- Introducing a new bio-epic documentary of Mike Tyson;

 "The World According to L'il Tinkle."

Scene One: Cus on his last throes in his death bed as his closest family and friends surround him with love. Mike Tyson, age 19 and fresh off his last fight, a 1st round KO of Sterling Benjamin, this ferocious kid now wetted and stained in his tears as Cus gives off his last death rattle before holding up his hand with raspy croak, "Michael, Michael, take my hand. Come closer."

"Mike," he whispers, "You could never beat Joe Louis," in his last gasp of breath. A brief spasmodic seizure blessedly rolls him around for his final frolic with death in this world before the beatific stillness of Nevermore settles in.

Mike, his mouth agape in horror, reels backwards, slamming his thick noggin against the metal clad door. "I can never beat Joe Louis, "I can never beat Joe Louis," and collapses in grief to be carted away to his own hospital room for recovery. After a few days, Mike is released with a diagnosis of a mild concussion brought upon him by Joe Louis.

>>> Mike is 10-0, 8 KOs as the youngest heavyweight champ in history is being interviewed by Howie Cosell who has come out of his self imposed retirement  for this epic interview of this record setting new kid on the boxing block. "Mike, after all the fanfare and cheers and megamillions you have garnished, what is your greatest achievement in boxing thus far?"

"I could never beat Joe Louis," rings out in a mournful howl before Mike collapses and has to be carted off to the hospital in a concussive catatonic state.

>>> Accepting his membership in the IBHOF, he opens his acceptance speech with, "When I was 19 years old, I could never beat Joe Louis," and collapses in a concussive catatonic state again to be carted off by the medics who reassure the audience, "It's just another KO by Joe Louis. Mike will be up and punching again very soon.

>>> Now Mike is on his death bed having seen his children to maturity. He calls the oldest son over to ask him to read a Psalm for his last moment of life on this earth.

"Dad, you could never beat Joe Louis," as the last howl of pain by Iron Mike Tyson is emitted in a bitter, contorted death.

|Mike Tyson|
|R.I. P.|
|He could never beat Joe Louis|
|PS: Cuz Cus told him so!|

[Kalan]

That might well be due to the fact they were ACTUAL MARINES, who had the guts to go and put their lives on the line, whereas you DIDN'T

Neither did Ali put his life on the line... Ali is fondly remembered for standing up to the US Government and rejecting the armed services... The war is the reason he rejected the draft... "I don't have nothing against those Viet Cong" I was an actual Marine and serving my country when our involvement in the Viet Nam War started.... But there were thousands of US servicemen who mistakenly went to fight and saw the atrocities 1st hand -- and rejected what they saw as moral or okay for human beings to do to innocent women and children... They knew we were bombing the North and using Agent Orange and napalm on people. The question always was "Why?" .... What possible national interest did all this needless death and destruction serve? Nobody ever had an answer that made any sense...

I viewed it as a war to profit the defense industry - something Eisenhower called "The Military Industrial Complex."

So you were jailed and the discharged in disgrace...you lying piece of shîte

I was honorably discharged you filthy, lying, moronic bastard.

[MrGuy]

Q.
What did Buster Douglas, Evander Holyfield, and Lennox Lewis ALL have in common?
A.
They all took the fight straight to Tyson from the off. Answering every one of his punches with 2 of their own, making him the defensive fighter, not the aggressor, and the clueless clown didn't know what to do about it.

Two of the three have the fact in common they fought him when he was washed up.

Tyson cretinous fanboy logic.

" Mikey the sex beast was washed up the day he LOST "



Or better yet.

" It all started going wrong after the 91 second blow out of Spinks. "

FUKK OFF.

These all knowing, self appointed, internet expert wankers could tell in the 6 rounds it took him to dispose of Bruno and Williams between them he was in decline, could they?

Bollox.

If we are talking fukkin moronic garbage, the one about some prick called Jesus feeding thousands with a bit of bread, and a handful of cod still takes some beating.

Because saying he was washed up takes away from Lewis and Holyfield beating him. He looked mediocre against Bruno.

[MrGuy]

Tyson cretinous fanboy logic.

" Mikey the sex beast was washed up the day he LOST "



Or better yet.

" It all started going wrong after the 91 second blow out of Spinks. "

FUKK OFF.

These all knowing, self appointed, internet expert wankers could tell in the 6 rounds it took him to dispose of Bruno and Williams between them he was in decline, could they?

Bollox.

If we are talking fukkin moronic garbage, the one about some prick called Jesus feeding thousands with a bit of bread, and a handful of cod still takes some beating.

Because saying he was washed up takes away from Lewis and Holyfield beating him. He looked mediocre against Bruno.

Don't talk such unadulterated sh,it. Scores to Bruno at time of stoppage in the 5th round.

time: 2:55 | referee: Richard Steele | Jerry Roth 35-40 | Omar Mintun 34-40 | Rodolfo Maldonado 34-40

2 of them even had Frank 6 points down.

Mediocre, my ass.

Apart from one decent left hand shot it was ALL one way traffic, cos dear old Frank was a B class fighter like most of Tyson's early opponents.

I dont care what the scores were. He still looked mediocre compared to what he usually looked like. Most heavyweights aren't great fighters. Class B probably sums it up for any era.. Like those B fighters that starched Lewis.

[Tomasino]

Neither did Ali put his life on the line... Ali is fondly remembered for standing up to the US Government and rejecting the armed services... The war is the reason he rejected the draft... "I don't have nothing against those Viet Cong" I was an actual Marine and serving my country when our involvement in the Viet Nam War started.... But there were thousands of US servicemen who mistakenly went to fight and saw the atrocities 1st hand -- and rejected what they saw as moral or okay for human beings to do to innocent women and children... They knew we were bombing the North and using Agent Orange and napalm on people. The question always was "Why?" .... What possible national interest did all this needless death and destruction serve? Nobody ever had an answer that made any sense...

I viewed it as a war to profit the defense industry - something Eisenhower called "The Military Industrial Complex."

So you were jailed and the discharged in disgrace...you lying piece of shîte

I was honorably discharged you filthy, lying, moronic bastard.

Utter nonsense and you and everyone else knows it.

Usually when a so called ex pro comes on the forum he shares some of his fights...you don’t have any to share so you make up a lot of old shite.

Without doubt a blight on the forum, you sad little mummy’s boy.