im disappointed (re womans boxing)

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jamamb
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im disappointed (re womans boxing)

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with clarissa shields big muscles, 2x gold, and aggressive attitude i thought shed bring back the anne wolfe/prime sophie mathis days of having a legit bigger sized puncher in womens boxing, but 5 fights in and she cant even score kds against totally overmatched, smaller, older opponents. she snoozed it tonight.

christina hammer at nearly 6 feet and ripped at 160 has the look and pretty good skill and speed, yet she too can barely do damage when she faces anyone decent , even if there way smaller, which most are since its so rare to be a ripped woman like hammer at 160 pounds.

katie taylor too can only barely crack an egg, even pressuring opponents a lot

and then i read on sherdog that one of the best punchers at lighter weights, amanda serrano, is going to mma
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Some women, like Shields, have pretty good technique and boxing skills, but few correctly get their weight and body into a punch.

They seem to be strictly arm punchers, and KOs are rare, even when one woman is vastly superior to the other.
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You expected more than you should've in the first place if you're disappointed.
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its the way they (women) are built...low center of gravity. with guys the power comes from the upper body which generates more power...women are more built up around the hips and a lot less on the shoulder/chest area which translates into far less power.
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Guelwaar wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 14:27 its the way they (women) are built...low center of gravity. with guys the power comes from the upper body which generates more power...women are more built up around the hips and a lot less on the shoulder/chest area which translates into far less power.

Women's bodies are not meant to be punched. I find women's boxing repugnant. I think it should be illegal.
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x2x wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 17:32
Guelwaar wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 14:27 its the way they (women) are built...low center of gravity. with guys the power comes from the upper body which generates more power...women are more built up around the hips and a lot less on the shoulder/chest area which translates into far less power.

Women's bodies are not meant to be punched. I find women's boxing repugnant. I think it should be illegal.
Many would say the same about Combat Sports altogether.

I personally don't care if Women want to fight, but it doesn't hold my interest nearly as much.
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x2x wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 17:32
Guelwaar wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 14:27 its the way they (women) are built...low center of gravity. with guys the power comes from the upper body which generates more power...women are more built up around the hips and a lot less on the shoulder/chest area which translates into far less power.
Women's bodies are not meant to be punched. I find women's boxing repugnant. I think it should be illegal.
Although I dont think it should be illegal, I agree with the rest of your statement. Like most fight fans I get a real charge watching 2 guys go toe-to-toe. Not so with women.

But going beyond personal likes and dislikes, it's obvious that the "plumbing" in a woman's torso is totally different than a man. Although there are no studies I know of, it's not outlandish to believe that consistent body punching absorbed by a woman could well endanger her ability to bear a healthy child as well as her own health.

I will give boxing credit over MMA for recognizing the added dangers of female boxing enough to limit women to 2-minute rounds and 10 rounds for world title fights. In that regard women's boxing is far less politically correct than UFC/MMA which has women fighting 5-minute rounds and 5-round world title fights, just like the men.
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Best Coast wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 19:05
x2x wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 17:32
Guelwaar wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 14:27 its the way they (women) are built...low center of gravity. with guys the power comes from the upper body which generates more power...women are more built up around the hips and a lot less on the shoulder/chest area which translates into far less power.
Women's bodies are not meant to be punched. I find women's boxing repugnant. I think it should be illegal.
Although I dont think it should be illegal, I agree with the rest of your statement. Like most fight fans I get a real charge watching 2 guys go toe-to-toe. Not so with women.

But going beyond personal likes and dislikes, it's obvious that the "plumbing" in a woman's torso is totally different than a man. Although there are no studies I know of, it's not outlandish to believe that consistent body punching absorbed by a woman could well endanger her ability to bear a healthy child as well as her own health.

I will give boxing credit over MMA for recognizing the added dangers of female boxing enough to limit women to 2-minute rounds and 10 rounds for world title fights. In that regard women's boxing is far less politically correct than UFC/MMA which has women fighting 5-minute rounds and 5-round world title fights, just like the men.
Women are always on about equality. I would think as far as Politically Correct goes they'd prefer to have the same rules as the men.

That being said. Most of the time "Politically Correct" is an ugly term.
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gilgamesh wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 19:09
Best Coast wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 19:05
x2x wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 17:32
Women's bodies are not meant to be punched. I find women's boxing repugnant. I think it should be illegal.
Although I dont think it should be illegal, I agree with the rest of your statement. Like most fight fans I get a real charge watching 2 guys go toe-to-toe. Not so with women.

But going beyond personal likes and dislikes, it's obvious that the "plumbing" in a woman's torso is totally different than a man. Although there are no studies I know of, it's not outlandish to believe that consistent body punching absorbed by a woman could well endanger her ability to bear a healthy child as well as her own health.

I will give boxing credit over MMA for recognizing the added dangers of female boxing enough to limit women to 2-minute rounds and 10 rounds for world title fights. In that regard women's boxing is far less politically correct than UFC/MMA which has women fighting 5-minute rounds and 5-round world title fights, just like the men.
Women are always on about equality. I would think as far as Politically Correct goes they'd prefer to have the same rules as the men.
That being said. Most of the time "Politically Correct" is an ugly term.
That's why I say MMA is more PC than boxing because it is feminists (in all areas not just sports) who have pushed for "equality" beyond the limits of reason. PC can be far deadlier in fields where life is CONSTANTLY on the line: Military, law enforcement and first responders. PC policies in those fields that put women on "equal footing" with men have caused loss of life on the battlefield and in life-threatening/life-saving situations.

I never was impressed by 1990s boxer Christy Martin but she did say something very profound in an SI interview: "I'd rather have Mike Tyson rescuing me from a burning building than Christy Martin."
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The 2m rounds don't help.
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BitPlayer wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 19:33 The 2m rounds don't help.
It actually helps a lot. Shortens those sh*tty fights on down.
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I was a referee/judge at the 1st women's amateur world championships in '01. They had great technique but little power. Fast forward to 2015 and I went to Finland for a tournament as a US coach and the US women boxer on the team was Mikayla Myer who is pro now, She lost in the finals to the Finnish girl who beat Katie Taylor in Rio. In the semis, Mikayla beat a girl from Sweden and busted her eye up good. She was banging. In both of her fights i was amazed at how much power the women were bringing compared to when they first started.
With that said, I was surprised the Shields did not stop Nelson. She looks like she has the power. Maybe she just needs to fine tune her technique so she has that snap at the ends of her punches that will KO other fighters. I look forward to her and Hammer fighting.
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gilgamesh wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 19:52
BitPlayer wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 19:33 The 2m rounds don't help.
It actually helps a lot. Shortens those sh*tty fights on down.
Makes KOs harder, and I think it stops the rhythm developing as much.
jamamb
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well maybe i shouldnt have been expecting much, but previously no women had turned pro who looked as good as shields and taylor and had their amateur accomplishments. and yet they still dont seem to be able to punch much.shields especially i thought looked explosive as an am but now she clearly lacks pop.

and i also watched the last fight of the mayer who jmac mentioned, and she clearly has some speed and skill but she only scored a majority decision and really showed no power either. a bit of a speed pitter patterer i thought.

not to say womans boxing cant be entertaining, and these top amateurs are skillful, but i was just hoping theyd add a bit of hurt to womans boxing and they havent really

i for one dont find woman fighting barbaric and im always hoping female boxing evolves
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JMac wrote: 13 Jan 2018, 20:10 I was a referee/judge at the 1st women's amateur world championships in '01. They had great technique but little power. Fast forward to 2015 and I went to Finland for a tournament as a US coach and the US women boxer on the team was Mikayla Myer who is pro now, She lost in the finals to the Finnish girl who beat Katie Taylor in Rio. In the semis, Mikayla beat a girl from Sweden and busted her eye up good. She was banging. In both of her fights i was amazed at how much power the women were bringing compared to when they first started.
With that said, I was surprised the Shields did not stop Amos. She looks like she has the power. Maybe she just needs to fine tune her technique so she has that snap at the ends of her punches that will KO other fighters. I look forward to her and Hammer fighting.
Nice post :TU:
People do expect womans pro boxing to be boring, or the punches to be softer, but the whole sport is still in relative infancy, I have noticed female fighters bring more skills and better power than in Christy's days. I believe in time female pro boxing will deliver more exciting fights, and at a more comprehensive skill level.
If the money starts to come for women to headline shows, and it slowly is, I expect the level of competition to get higher. There is a living in the top level, only just, and that will inspire more to train harder, get aggressive, gain skills and market themselves.
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I’ve enjoyed watching the rise of Katie Taylor these last couple of years. She has nice speed and skills and is really working on planting her feet and banging. Don’t think she’s boring at all....has put on the performance of the night in recent fights bringing the action. May have have been on th AJ molina card or takam. She’s also good looking helps.
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