Fury's Comeback

[dirk2686]

Leaving stadia aside (and Debut Dave's leisure centres), I imagine Fury can still generate lots of PPV sales if he's favourite to lose. How many of us are looking forward to Haye-Bellew II as a fight, rather than because we're hoping to see one of them humbled?

I've mixed feelings about Joshua-Parker for the same reason, because I'd like to see Parker win (barring a miracle, he won't), but if Joshua loses then Fury can just walk away and carry on calling himself the greatest. I'm not hungry to see Joshua or Fury lose, but I am hoping to see them heavily tested since their egos have built up steam, and the Wilder-Ortiz winner has to feature in one or both of their futures.

I'm not his biggest fan, but right now the action's all coming from Joshua's career. I'm not surprised he's selling well.

He was European champion.... Wasn't a debutant at all.

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here Mickey.

No-one is saying Haye has always been a big ticket seller. He was promoted extremely poorly by Frank Maloney. However ever since the Maccarinelli fight he has sold extremely well and he has publicised himself and his fights far more. A sold out MEN against Ruiz and the turn outs against Chisora, De Mori and the other fella prove that.

When the fight with fury was made it sold well and was a great fight. However if Haye can do the same volume against Ruiz, De Mori etc it’s hardly surprising.

Mick's whole shtick with this is to wilfully cherry pick points to suit his agenda which is so obvious you have to assume he's doing it solely for a wind up.

[mickey1975]

Leaving stadia aside (and Debut Dave's leisure centres), I imagine Fury can still generate lots of PPV sales if he's favourite to lose. How many of us are looking forward to Haye-Bellew II as a fight, rather than because we're hoping to see one of them humbled?

I've mixed feelings about Joshua-Parker for the same reason, because I'd like to see Parker win (barring a miracle, he won't), but if Joshua loses then Fury can just walk away and carry on calling himself the greatest. I'm not hungry to see Joshua or Fury lose, but I am hoping to see them heavily tested since their egos have built up steam, and the Wilder-Ortiz winner has to feature in one or both of their futures.

I'm not his biggest fan, but right now the action's all coming from Joshua's career. I'm not surprised he's selling well.

He was European champion.... Wasn't a debutant at all.

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make here Mickey.

No-one is saying Haye has always been a big ticket seller. He was promoted extremely poorly by Frank Maloney. However ever since the Maccarinelli fight he has sold extremely well and he has publicised himself and his fights far more. A sold out MEN against Ruiz and the turn outs against Chisora, De Mori and the other fella prove that.

When the fight with fury was made it sold well and was a great fight. However if Haye can do the same volume against Ruiz, De Mori etc it’s hardly surprising.

Ruiz wasn't a sell out. His fight I'm getting at wasn't Maloney.... Fwank did Del? Enzo wasn't a sell out.... I was at every one of those.

[mickey1975]

Ask Spud how many they pulled in Huddersfield? Not a keyboard warrior, he saved the show.

[dirk2686]

Ask Spud how many they pulled in Huddersfield? Not a keyboard warrior, he saved the show.

Your point?

Press reports of the Ruiz and Maccarinelli fights both cite 20k attendances - so certainly very close to selling out. And of course, those people were also actually there as well.

Question is who to believe; the BBC, Telegraph, Mirror etc, or a bloke pretending to himself Haye doesn't sell because he once fought in a leisure centre?

[mickey1975]

Ask Spud how many they pulled in Huddersfield? Not a keyboard warrior, he saved the show.

Your point?

Press reports of the Ruiz and Maccarinelli fights both cite 20k attendances - so certainly very close to selling out. And of course, those people were also actually there as well.

Question is who to believe; the BBC, Telegraph, Mirror etc, or a bloke pretending to himself Haye doesn't sell because he once fought in a leisure centre?

Was in The York Hall on Haye's debut. Are you the same guy who's relentlessly banged on about BJS fighting in a leisure centre? Huddersfield isn't even that. A sports centre. I was at the Maccarinelli fight for Carl Johannesson. It wasn't sold out, nowhere near. Go to fights, pal, open your eyes.

[dirk2686]

A simple question Mick. Who do you think is more popular now? Fury, Haye, or Joshua?

Because it's very, very clear that it's Joshua, then Haye, then Fury, and the fact that Haye once fought at a sports centre means as little as the fact that Fury did as well. Your conversations must be really weird in real life if you're constantly changing the point of reference to some arbitrary point in the past.

[mickey1975]

A simple question Mick. Who do you think is more popular now? Fury, Haye, or Joshua?

Because it's very, very clear that it's Joshua, then Haye, then Fury, and the fact that Haye once fought at a sports centre means as little as the fact that Fury did as well. Your conversations must be really weird in real life if you're constantly changing the point of reference to some arbitrary point in the past.

Don't talk boxing to none boxing people in real life. Haye boxed a lot of times in leisure centres. Reading, Huddersfield, York Hall....

[orbtastic]

Ruiz had to be close to a sellout? Granted it was fairly empty prior to the main event but come the fight it was packed/buzzing?

[dirk2686]

Ruiz had to be close to a sellout? Granted it was fairly empty prior to the main event but come the fight it was packed/buzzing?

Every report from everyone who was there suggests it was around 20k attendance, which was pretty much sold out. Boxing News reported the Harrison fight was sold out with six weeks to spare. Press reports clearly state the Maccarinelli fight was attended by around 20k.

But none of those were correct because Mick was there and Haye once boxed at the York Hall.

[PredatorHayds]

Mickey is lying. When Haye fought in Huddersfield he WASN’T European champion and Frampton and whoever else he said wasn’t on the undercard.

[orbtastic]

Ruiz had to be close to a sellout? Granted it was fairly empty prior to the main event but come the fight it was packed/buzzing?

Every report from everyone who was there suggests it was around 20k attendance, which was pretty much sold out. Boxing News reported the Harrison fight was sold out with six weeks to spare. Press reports clearly state the Maccarinelli fight was attended by around 20k.

But none of those were correct because Mick was there and Haye once boxed at the York Hall.

I was at the Macca fight and the Ruiz and Harrison debacle. All 3 seemed pretty full to me.

That said, often people say it's a sell-out when it isn't. For example Froch/Groves II clearly wasn't cos there were loads of empty seats but it's a bit churlish to say it wasn't full when it was such a big arena and massive attendance.

Likewise you could say that Khan/Prescott was sell-out but yet half the arena was closed off...

[Spud]

Watched live Haye defending his European in front of maybe 200 people in a leisure centre... Most of whom Spud gave tickets to. Watched Josh in front of 3-4,000 at The MEN. No denying Josh has crossed over, but let's not pretend Haye was a huge seller.... He made his debut against my friend at The York Hall, it wasn't full. Far from it.

It seems ridiculous to have to clarify this but just to confirm, you don’t consider David Haye, in 2018, assuming that he boxes, a ticket seller?

I said let's not pretend he was. He's crossed over now. He was selling nothing whilst world class.

For the record

That Huddersfield show I SOLD tickets to the army lads. That show I think I did 175 tickets.

It was a win win sutuation as I got a small discount for the lads and then the army gave them a FURTHER discount.

For about 3-5 years I was ONE of the biggest ticket sellers in boxing. No I am not exaggerating.

My peak was Hatton v Maussa in sheffield - to say I sold a few hundred tickets was not an exageration.

I see comments about Hayes prowess as a ticket seller .... until he beat Maccarenelli ... David couldnt sell out a phone box and thats a FACT

[sweetscience]

i went to a Haye bill in Irlam near Trafford centre

it was in a leisure centre... 1/4 full if that

I left before haye came on, only went watch my mate

might have been fragimellie... cant be assed looking

[keithmoonhangover]

There's a simple way to measure this.

When Haye fought DeMori, the 02 was packed - I was there.

If Fury's comeback sells more tickets against an unknown, then we'll know he's the bigger ticket seller - I'll be at that fight as well.

[maverick23]

It seems ridiculous to have to clarify this but just to confirm, you don’t consider David Haye, in 2018, assuming that he boxes, a ticket seller?

I said let's not pretend he was. He's crossed over now. He was selling nothing whilst world class.

For the record

That Huddersfield show I SOLD tickets to the army lads. That show I think I did 175 tickets.

It was a win win sutuation as I got a small discount for the lads and then the army gave them a FURTHER discount.

For about 3-5 years I was ONE of the biggest ticket sellers in boxing. No I am not exaggerating.

My peak was Hatton v Maussa in sheffield - to say I sold a few hundred tickets was not an exageration.

I see comments about Hayes prowess as a ticket seller .... until he beat Maccarenelli ... David couldnt sell out a phone box and thats a FACT

No-one is disputing that Haye didn’t sell until he fought Maccarinelli. From then on few boxers have touched him in terms of volume of tickets sold.

I was at his fights versus Maccarinelli, Chisora, Ruiz and Harrison (I was also one of the very few that saw him against Mormeck). If the Maccarinelli, Ruiz and Harrison fights weren’t sell outs then they were very close.

I’m still not sure what point Mickey is trying to make here and why we’re debating this on a thread about Fury!

[orbtastic]

I was at Mormeck too, short of his family and friends there must have been what, 10 British fans there?

[PredatorHayds]

I was at Mormeck too, short of his family and friends there must have been what, 10 British fans there?

One of the best fights I’ve been to.

I was on my own with French fans trying to blend in.
Hardly any Brits about. Prickly atmosphere. Was a fantastic occasion.
Great fight. I thought Haye and Mormeck where close to their peaks here.

[mickey1975]

Mickey is lying. When Haye fought in Huddersfield he WASN’T European champion and Frampton and whoever else he said wasn’t on the undercard.

Thought he was. You're right, Groves and Frampton were on a different show at the same.e. venue.

[PredatorHayds]

Mickey is lying. When Haye fought in Huddersfield he WASN’T European champion and Frampton and whoever else he said wasn’t on the undercard.

Thought he was. You're right, Groves and Frampton were on a different show at the same.e. venue.

Got a feeling it was a Sky Friday fight night with a weak undercard.

A lot of these Friday nights where just about exposure for the main event.
Think it was just before his European title fight a couple after Thompson.

[Grilling Machine]

Not sure why Fury would walk away calling himself the greatest if Parker wins but not if Joshua wins? If Parker wins, then Parker is a young, undefeated, unified champ - who also best Tysons cousin....if he beats Joshua fair and square why would he be considered inferior to aj and fury. Parker is no Wlad or someone who has lost to an opponent who fury beat.

It's down to the casuals, Stu, because Parker won't inherit AJ's reputation with them if he wins; unless he does so spectacularly, I suppose. Joshua's widely regarded as the main force at heavyweight (rightly or wrongly), with Fury still positioned as the former champ. So if Joshua loses then Fury won't have to deal with half as much pressure from casual British fans.

He can say that he'd beat Parker, Wilder, Ortiz and Povetkin, and most people don't know who they are. Whereas Joshua's clearly storming along right now, and that keeps the onus on Fury to prove that he's better. Saying as much doesn't make it true in the eyes of thousands, but I think that that situation's unique to Joshua and the phantom of Fit Haye.

[magnus]

Can't say I can remember this, but just finished reading Bunce's book and in that he says that Haye's debut was fought behind closed doors at the York Hall for some reason...

[HomicideHenry]

Fury, unfortunately, never was popular in Great Britain. I suspect it's for racial reasons, but anyone can disagree if they wish. He's quite popular in the States, and many of us Yanks wanted him to fight Wilder. Many were hoping he'd of signed with Top Rank or some other American promotion than to remain attached to the United Kingdom because he's just not appreciated there.

Ticket sales may be great for money and fame, but sales doesn't equate to reality or quality. Fury is a quality fighter who is a cut (or was) above Anthony Joshua. Styles make fights, sure, but when you have an extremely tall mover against a plodder it's rather one sided unless the rangier fighter makes a mistake. As smart as Fury is (ring IQ) he's most likely not going to make such mistakes against a guy like Anthony.

IF he can successfully come back after 2.5 years and losing 80+ pounds, and actually defeat AJ I think that'd cement him as the dominate heavyweight of our era. Many will make excuses, turn on AJ and say he never was any good, etc just to never give Fury credit. I can see that right now.

[jamamb]

furys quite popular in the states based on what

[skanksta]

outside the top 100 is pretty damn low, esp considering how short on talent the division gets as soon as the lower top 10

How many heavyweight fights do you think there were involving both fighters ranked in the top 10 in the last 12 months? The answer is 4 and Joshua fought two of them.

11 of the top 50 did not fight a top 100 opponent in the last year, so 39 did.

Only 17 heavyweights fought two or more top 100 opponents in the last year.

Only 10 heavyweights beat two or more top 100 opponents in the last year.

It is pretty dire.

Good analysis

[danconnollyeire]

A simple question Mick. Who do you think is more popular now? Fury, Haye, or Joshua?

Because it's very, very clear that it's Joshua, then Haye, then Fury, and the fact that Haye once fought at a sports centre means as little as the fact that Fury did as well. Your conversations must be really weird in real life if you're constantly changing the point of reference to some arbitrary point in the past.

Don't talk boxing to none boxing people in real life. Haye boxed a lot of times in leisure centres. Reading, Huddersfield, York Hall....

So? Beckham played in Hackney Marshes... and what?