breaking down BOXREC's pfp rankings

[Guelwaar]

So, here is the pfp listing based on the opinion of some dude who writes for BOXREC as posted on the homepage. Yes, we all know pfp listings are objective, so I don't take this ridiculous list too seriously....but i thought it might be fun at least to deconstruct the list and the possible motives behind it.

Just my opinion...so, admittedly it doesn't mean anymore than the guy that posted this garbage list below.

BOXREC Lb for Lb
1 Saul Alvarez middleweight
2 Vasyl Lomachenko super featherweight
3 Gennady Golovkin middleweight
4 Terence Crawford welterweight
5 Wisaksil Wangek* super flyweight
6 Anthony Joshua* heavyweight
7 Miguel Berchelt* super featherweight
8 Keith Thurman welterweight
9 Luis Nery* bantamweight
10 Jeff Horn welterweight

1. Canelo arguably lost to every top fighter he faced...fmj dominated him. austin trout and canelo fought on even terms and trout possibly shaded canelo down the stretch. lara clearly outboxed canelo and got robbed...and canelo and ggg fought to a draw in a good fight that featured no spectacular skills or special qualities by either fighter....besides, canelo has some clear stamina issues and mediocre footwork...in other words, he's pretty much in the mix with some of the other top fighters around and in no way does he stand out from them the way a #1 pfp should. no way he should be above #7 pfp.

2. lomachenko, despite losing to salido, can now boast that he beat three top guys (walters, GRJ and rigo)....however, at closer examination, those wins don't look so great...rigo was not only suffering from inactivity, but he was about 40 years old (12 years older than loma) and two weight classes smaller...and its not like loma dropped rigo or hurt him at any point in the fight....rigo quit because he said he had an injury...whether you believe him or not, the circumstances of the win were pretty lackluster. GRJ was about 10 lbs smaller than loma on fight night...now, most loma fans are like "cutting weight is part of boxing"...then they turn around and complain about how salido was so much bigger than loma on fight night. walters was also inactive and gave a half-assed effort, quitting before he had even been hurt or dropped or taken any real damage...my view is the jury is still out on loma...maybe the lower end of the top ten pfp...like #9 or 10

3. GGG belongs nowhere near the top of any pfp listing...reason why? he aint done a damn thing of note. He beat a buncha bums on his way up and enjoyed a lot of hype from HBO....then he ran into danny jacobs who beat him pretty convincingly, even though jacobs got robbed... then ggg drew with canelo. even if you want to argue that he deserved the decision in the canelo fight, the fact is, he didn't beat canelo as convincingly as, say, lara...and in fact, i had ggg losing 7-5 by a razor thin margin that coulda gone either way. hell, even kell brook was able to out-fight embarrass ggg...and this was AFTER brook suffered the broken eye socket...ggg got lucky in that fight, because brook woulda owned that ass...IMO ggg is #8 pfp.

4. The fact BOXREC ranks crawford #4 is a huge sign of disrespect, not only for the fighter, but for the sport of boxing itself...crawford is the ONLY guy in the top 4 who has DOMINATED the two weight classes he held titles in...he DOMINATED numerous world titleholders and one olympic gold medalist who arguably should have been a world champ, all highly regarded, all in their primes, and bud beat them all with consummate ease...the true #1 pfp.

5. Wangek beat roman gonzalez the first time by a disputed decision and the second time by KO....but gonzalez was probably a little past his prime and fighting above his ideal weight class...to me, wangek has a LOT to prove in order to qualify for a top 10 pfp ranking....let him DOMINATE (not just win by close, disputed decision) all the other champs at sfw and then maybe he'll deserve a top 5 pfp ranking.

6. My assumption is Anthony Joshua gets in by virtue of his win over klitchsko...but klitchsko was coming off a loss to tyson fury...and klitchsko has suffered KO's and KD's by a buncha mid-level fighters. So, this ranking makes no sense to me...how is joshua ranked but not wilder? wilder has made more defenses of his titles and guys would rather get caught juicing than face wilder clean...joshua is not in the top 10 pfp.

7. Berchelt is a decent guy who i've seen fight a couple of times...but like floyd said, "no special effects"....he's a good fighter, young and talented, but not a star...i'd rank him around #15

8. Thurman's list of victims is impressive: shawn porter, danny garcia, guerrero, chaves, soto-karass...he box and he can punch. great iq and reflexes. I'd rank him #4 pfp

9. Luis Nery is fine at #9 pfp.

10. Jeff Horn belongs NOWHERE NEAR THE TOP TEN OF ANY PFP LISTING IN BOXING! HE SUCKS!...no disrespect to Horn, but to have him in the top 10 is total and complete horseshit.

[jamamb]

what would your full top 10 be. what do you think the motives are

[IronFrost]

Ward , Floyd , Pacman are last good p4p fighters who deserved their spot by facing and beating top opponents,

If Golovkin wins rematch against Canelo and than beats Saunders than he will become p4p number one for me!


Lomachenko is not p4p for sure ;) His division is not interesting and it's stacked with bunch of BUMS

[Guelwaar]

what would your full top 10 be. what do you think the motives are

Well, the motives are clearly to promote certain fighters who the writer feels bring 1) bigger fights and larger public interest due to their perceived marketability and 2) personalities that are more PALATABLE to the target market because some audiences can relate to them better.

There's a lot of people who feel that decades of andre ward and fmj reinforced the idea that you have to be an elite talent to be #1 pfp....remember Apollo Creed in the original Rocky? BOXREC thinks people want to see more of an ordinary, blue collar guy like canelo or ggg get recognition. Those guys are more like rocky whereas crawford, spence and thurman, etc are more like apollo.

my top ten would be as follows:

1. crawford
2. danny jacobs
3. thurman
4. spence
5. erislandy lara
6. mikey garcia
7. canelo alvarez
8. lomachenko
9. Gary Russell Jr
10. Jermell charlo

[punchoutsb]

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The rankings are not created by a "writer" or "guy", they are based off of a formula.

Just my opinion...so, admittedly it doesn't mean anymore than the guy that posted this garbage list below.

Trust me, no one here holds your opinion in any sort of esteem.

[Guelwaar]

Ward , Floyd , Pacman are last good p4p fighters who deserved their spot by facing and beating top opponents,

If Golovkin wins rematch against Canelo and than beats Saunders than he will become p4p number one for me!


Lomachenko is not p4p for sure ;) His division is not interesting and it's stacked with bunch of BUMS

agreed...pac i have doubts about because of the whole PED thing, but he did score some of the most spectacular KOs i've ever seen...i don't see ggg beating canelo or saunders...to me ggg is over the hill, but then again, boxing is unpredictable...i don't understand the need to elevate lomachenko to the upper echelons of pfp at this early stage of his career...he must have one hell of a promotional team behind him.

[Guelwaar]

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The rankings are not created by a "writer" or "guy", they are based off of a formula.

Just my opinion...so, admittedly it doesn't mean anymore than the guy that posted this garbage list below.

Trust me, no one here holds your opinion in any sort of esteem.

smh...dude, i was the first to say that my opinion meant no more than the guy who posted that ridiculous list...why so defensive? appears to me you know better than anybody what a piece of insulting garbge that list is...

a "formula"....lmfao!

[jamamb]

agree wth most of those names on your list g. thurman esp so many ppl leave out for strange reasons.

although as for loma you can say too early but then again lomas one of the only ones on that list to have beaten another guy on the list. and hes the only one to do so clear.

[punchoutsb]

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxRe ... escription

The rankings are not created by a "writer" or "guy", they are based off of a formula.

Just my opinion...so, admittedly it doesn't mean anymore than the guy that posted this garbage list below.

Trust me, no one here holds your opinion in any sort of esteem.

smh...dude, i was the first to say that my opinion meant no more than the guy who posted that ridiculous list...why so defensive? appears to me you know better than anybody what a piece of insulting garbge that list is...

a "formula"....lmfao!

Ask the librarian to read the link I posted for you. It'll make sense then.

[Guelwaar]

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The rankings are not created by a "writer" or "guy", they are based off of a formula.



Trust me, no one here holds your opinion in any sort of esteem.

smh...dude, i was the first to say that my opinion meant no more than the guy who posted that ridiculous list...why so defensive? appears to me you know better than anybody what a piece of insulting garbge that list is...

a "formula"....lmfao!

Ask the librarian to read the link I posted for you. It'll make sense then.

it would make more sense if i went out and got sh*tfaced and came home at 3 am THEN read it ...c'mon dude, be real. it's a freakin joke.

[Mexi-Box]

agree wth most of those names on your list g. thurman esp so many ppl leave out for strange reasons.

although as for loma you can say too early but then again lomas one of the only ones on that list to have beaten another guy on the list. and hes the only one to do so clear.

Guelwaar's list is horrible, of course you agree with hit.

[norniron]

agree wth most of those names on your list g. thurman esp so many ppl leave out for strange reasons.

although as for loma you can say too early but then again lomas one of the only ones on that list to have beaten another guy on the list. and hes the only one to do so clear.

Surely you cant have Jacobs, Russell Jr or Charlo in your p4p list and while i certainly agree Thurman is criminally underrated and deserves to be in the top ten third is not where i would have him.

[jamamb]

i thoughts jacobs beat ggg.

[Enlightened-One]

So, here is the pfp listing based on the opinion of some dude who writes for BOXREC as posted on the homepage. Yes, we all know pfp listings are objective, so I don't take this ridiculous list too seriously....but i thought it might be fun at least to deconstruct the list and the possible motives behind it.

Just my opinion...so, admittedly it doesn't mean anymore than the guy that posted this garbage list below.

BOXREC Lb for Lb
1 Saul Alvarez middleweight
2 Vasyl Lomachenko super featherweight
3 Gennady Golovkin middleweight
4 Terence Crawford welterweight
5 Wisaksil Wangek* super flyweight
6 Anthony Joshua* heavyweight
7 Miguel Berchelt* super featherweight
8 Keith Thurman welterweight
9 Luis Nery* bantamweight
10 Jeff Horn welterweight

1. Canelo arguably lost to every top fighter he faced...fmj dominated him. austin trout and canelo fought on even terms and trout possibly shaded canelo down the stretch. lara clearly outboxed canelo and got robbed...and canelo and ggg fought to a draw in a good fight that featured no spectacular skills or special qualities by either fighter....besides, canelo has some clear stamina issues and mediocre footwork...in other words, he's pretty much in the mix with some of the other top fighters around and in no way does he stand out from them the way a #1 pfp should. no way he should be above #7 pfp.

2. lomachenko, despite losing to salido, can now boast that he beat three top guys (walters, GRJ and rigo)....however, at closer examination, those wins don't look so great...rigo was not only suffering from inactivity, but he was about 40 years old (12 years older than loma) and two weight classes smaller...and its not like loma dropped rigo or hurt him at any point in the fight....rigo quit because he said he had an injury...whether you believe him or not, the circumstances of the win were pretty lackluster. GRJ was about 10 lbs smaller than loma on fight night...now, most loma fans are like "cutting weight is part of boxing"...then they turn around and complain about how salido was so much bigger than loma on fight night. walters was also inactive and gave a half-assed effort, quitting before he had even been hurt or dropped or taken any real damage...my view is the jury is still out on loma...maybe the lower end of the top ten pfp...like #9 or 10

3. GGG belongs nowhere near the top of any pfp listing...reason why? he aint done a damn thing of note. He beat a buncha bums on his way up and enjoyed a lot of hype from HBO....then he ran into danny jacobs who beat him pretty convincingly, even though jacobs got robbed... then ggg drew with canelo. even if you want to argue that he deserved the decision in the canelo fight, the fact is, he didn't beat canelo as convincingly as, say, lara...and in fact, i had ggg losing 7-5 by a razor thin margin that coulda gone either way. hell, even kell brook was able to out-fight embarrass ggg...and this was AFTER brook suffered the broken eye socket...ggg got lucky in that fight, because brook woulda owned that ass...IMO ggg is #8 pfp.

4. The fact BOXREC ranks crawford #4 is a huge sign of disrespect, not only for the fighter, but for the sport of boxing itself...crawford is the ONLY guy in the top 4 who has DOMINATED the two weight classes he held titles in...he DOMINATED numerous world titleholders and one olympic gold medalist who arguably should have been a world champ, all highly regarded, all in their primes, and bud beat them all with consummate ease...the true #1 pfp.

5. Wangek beat roman gonzalez the first time by a disputed decision and the second time by KO....but gonzalez was probably a little past his prime and fighting above his ideal weight class...to me, wangek has a LOT to prove in order to qualify for a top 10 pfp ranking....let him DOMINATE (not just win by close, disputed decision) all the other champs at sfw and then maybe he'll deserve a top 5 pfp ranking.

6. My assumption is Anthony Joshua gets in by virtue of his win over klitchsko...but klitchsko was coming off a loss to tyson fury...and klitchsko has suffered KO's and KD's by a buncha mid-level fighters. So, this ranking makes no sense to me...how is joshua ranked but not wilder? wilder has made more defenses of his titles and guys would rather get caught juicing than face wilder clean...joshua is not in the top 10 pfp.

7. Berchelt is a decent guy who i've seen fight a couple of times...but like floyd said, "no special effects"....he's a good fighter, young and talented, but not a star...i'd rank him around #15

8. Thurman's list of victims is impressive: shawn porter, danny garcia, guerrero, chaves, soto-karass...he box and he can punch. great iq and reflexes. I'd rank him #4 pfp

9. Luis Nery is fine at #9 pfp.

10. Jeff Horn belongs NOWHERE NEAR THE TOP TEN OF ANY PFP LISTING IN BOXING! HE SUCKS!...no disrespect to Horn, but to have him in the top 10 is total and complete horseshit.

I guess you’re intentionally trying to be provocative with the nature of some of your claims.

[keirw]

The boxrec rankings are based on points system that tends to reward activity and results as much as performances and quality of opposition, which leads to some disagreeable inclusions.

When fighters who have built a huge tally of points over a long period of time lose (Klit, Choclatito, Pacman) the fighters who beat them (Joshua, Wangek, Horn) take a huge chunk of their points, which rockets them into a high and often undeserved position in the rankings.

To disagree with the rankings is perfectly normal, but to insinuate that it is down to bias shows you are somewhat misinformed.

[filibert]

... Lomachenko is not p4p for sure ;) His division is not interesting and it's stacked with bunch of BUMS

Not interesting? Miguel Berchelt, Alberto Machado, Miguel Roman, Francisco Vargas, Jezreel Corrales...

There are a few good fights to be made with Berchelt and Machado at least...

[boxing_rocks]

what would your full top 10 be. what do you think the motives are

Well, the motives are clearly to promote certain fighters who the writer feels bring 1) bigger fights and larger public interest due to their perceived marketability and 2) personalities that are more PALATABLE to the target market because some audiences can relate to them better.

There's a lot of people who feel that decades of andre ward and fmj reinforced the idea that you have to be an elite talent to be #1 pfp....remember Apollo Creed in the original Rocky? BOXREC thinks people want to see more of an ordinary, blue collar guy like canelo or ggg get recognition. Those guys are more like rocky whereas crawford, spence and thurman, etc are more like apollo.

my top ten would be as follows:

1. crawford
2. danny jacobs
3. thurman
4. spence
5. erislandy lara
6. mikey garcia
7. canelo alvarez
8. lomachenko
9. Gary Russell Jr
10. Jermell charlo

Conclusion: boxrec rating system is designed for disadvantage of great black fighters (see top 5 above).

#DUMMYGRAPHIC

[dagilechia]

what would your full top 10 be. what do you think the motives are

Well, the motives are clearly to promote certain fighters who the writer feels bring 1) bigger fights and larger public interest due to their perceived marketability and 2) personalities that are more PALATABLE to the target market because some audiences can relate to them better.

There's a lot of people who feel that decades of andre ward and fmj reinforced the idea that you have to be an elite talent to be #1 pfp....remember Apollo Creed in the original Rocky? BOXREC thinks people want to see more of an ordinary, blue collar guy like canelo or ggg get recognition. Those guys are more like rocky whereas crawford, spence and thurman, etc are more like apollo.

my top ten would be as follows:

1. crawford
2. danny jacobs
3. thurman
4. spence
5. erislandy lara
6. mikey garcia
7. canelo alvarez
8. lomachenko
9. Gary Russell Jr
10. Jermell charlo

it's the most biased P4P top 10 i have ever seen

[Mexi-Box]

... Lomachenko is not p4p for sure ;) His division is not interesting and it's stacked with bunch of BUMS

Not interesting? Miguel Berchelt, Alberto Machado, Miguel Roman, Francisco Vargas, Jezreel Corrales...

There are a few good fights to be made with Berchelt and Machado at least...

Berchelt is Lomachenko's most dangerous opponent that isn't named Mikey Garcia.

[dWd]

I agree any p4p list with Horn in it at the moment is flawed but to say he sucks just makes you look like a troll, the jury is still well and truly out debating over how good he might be, hopefully he gets a legit top5 guy next so he can prove himself,one way or the other. And Canelo is clearly the top P4Per out there at the moment.

[BitPlayer]

Yup that's how it works.

Someone sits there ranks the thousands boxers into p4p, active and all time, and they also sit and rank them all by division, both active and all time. Plus the above for every country, and they update the rankings every fight.

No one knows how Jeremy has so much time