Contendeh wrote: ↑19 Jan 2018, 09:49
Kalan wrote: ↑19 Jan 2018, 05:00
Contendeh wrote: ↑18 Jan 2018, 21:21
Byrd is still the most accomplished American heavyweight since Tyson/Bowe/Holy - roughly 20 years now - and unless Wilder goes on to do good things, he will keep that distinction for at least the next ten years. US amateurs looking as they do.
Byrd's only accomplishment was beating Vitali Klitschko.... He was losing big time on all scorecards to a man fighting with virtually one arm.... Klitschko's completely severed rotator cuff assembly handed Byrd the lucky victory... That doesn't wipe clean Byrd's 2 beatings by Wladimir.... his smashing by neophyte Ike Ibeabuchi.... or his loss to upstart Povetkin.
Deontay Wilder has suffered no such defeats and beat a Heavyweight Champion in Bermain Stiverne... He's 39-0 and would smash the shitt out of any version of Chris Byrd -- especially the one who drew with inept Foul Pole Golota.
Byrd's 2nd best win by far was David Tua... A very stubby armed short guy who just couldn't box
Wilder could throw the right, a punch that is so telegraphed Samuel Morse must have invented it, and not only would Byrd have the time to duck the punch, but he’d also have time to run to his corner and talk to his dad, make a sandwich and flip through a few tv channels before getting in position to counter.
Anytime you start a resume off with “his best win is Bermane Stiverne,” perhaps the guy needs to up his game.
I hope Ortiz isn’t past it, it’s King Kong’s fault he didn’t fight Wilder already, but a motivated and focused Ortiz and, poof, this year’s mega fight goes up in smoke
So .... "Wilder could throw the right, a punch that is so telegraphed Samuel Morse must have invented it, and not only would Byrd have the time to duck the punch, but he’d also have time to run to his corner and talk to his dad, make a sandwich and flip through a few tv channels before getting in position to counter." .... LOL... That's so typical of generationally biased, hyperbolic rhetoric voiced against any present day boxer for generations.
I've been reading that kind of sentiment since Patterson was Heavyweight Champion.... People were saying he's terrible. He'd be a 2-round job for Dempsey, Louis, or Marciano... I believed it then because of Patterson's peek-a-boo defense... But I thought he'd destroy Johansson in their rematch cuz I didn't see any defensive from the Swede either.
It's kind of funny, because I was delivering newspapers back then and customers would talk Boxing... You'd get your hair cut and 2 waiting customers would be arguing Boxing with the barber while reading the Police Gazette, which was loaded with stories about Boxing... You'd go to a boy scout meeting the scout master would tell everybody who's going to win a fight and buy us all Dillys if he was wrong... Kids would talk Boxing at recess and start a fist fight... The Celtics, the Yankees, the Packers, the Browns, Mickey Mantel, Hank Aaron, Jimmy Brown, none of it got as heated as Boxing.
Times have changed... You go to England and they talk Boxing more there than they do here.
But the bias against new guys never stops.. Liston, Ali, Spinks, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis... they were all punk ass Heavyweights compared to the old boys.. When they first came up they stunk - and so and so was going to kill them.
I think today's top Heavyweights would destroy anybody from the 50's or 60's... I never saw any great defense from Chris Byrd that would stop Deontay Wilder.... Like Wladimir, he'd jab Byrd's head off and smash him with rights... Byrd had no power like Sanders... There'd be nothing coming back from Byrd that would worry Wilder for a second...
I see Ortiz probably winning... I have to see what kind of camp he's having... Getting old doesn't work that well.
