Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson

[Kalan]

FO asswipe.... People asked me what my background was in the sport was because I have a deep knowledge of it, so I was truthful.... Most people are anonymous here and so am I.... If and when I want to reveal my ID I'll do that.... Meanwhile you can shove your baseless accusations up the same shitt-hole your rotting brain matter is located.

[Counter-puncher]

Most *people* are anonymous, sure, normal posters.

But dozens of posters who have claimed any kind of stature in the sport have had their identity made clear, because they were bona fide figures with stature. You're not. Nobody believes you.

[Tomasino]

FO asswipe.... People asked me what my background was in the sport was because I have a deep knowledge of it, so I was truthful.... Most people are anonymous here and so am I.... If and when I want to reveal my ID I'll do that.... Meanwhile you can shove your baseless accusations up the same shitt-hole your rotting brain matter is located.

Did your mum type that for you? Nobody asked you anything, you claimed you were a former pro heavyweight, known as the hardest hitter in the world in order to back up the crazy assertions you’ve made so tell us one pro opponent? You must be rightly proud of your tenure as the worlds hardest hitter, no?

And you hit so hard you’d kill Tommy Hearns seriously you have very little boxing knowledge, no fight experience and even though you let the Marines spend money training you, at the first sign of a fight you deserted, according to you.

[Knucklez]

Neither did Ali put his life on the line... Ali is fondly remembered for standing up to the US Government and rejecting the armed services... The war is the reason he rejected the draft... "I don't have nothing against those Viet Cong" I was an actual Marine and serving my country when our involvement in the Viet Nam War started.... But there were thousands of US servicemen who mistakenly went to fight and saw the atrocities 1st hand -- and rejected what they saw as moral or okay for human beings to do to innocent women and children... They knew we were bombing the North and using Agent Orange and napalm on people. The question always was "Why?" .... What possible national interest did all this needless death and destruction serve? Nobody ever had an answer that made any sense...

I viewed it as a war to profit the defense industry - something Eisenhower called "The Military Industrial Complex."

So you were jailed and the discharged in disgrace...you lying piece of shîte

I was honorably discharged you filthy, lying, moronic bastard.

Can the Mods please explain why Kalan isn't banned for this? Other posters get banned for far less.

[Tomasino]

So you were jailed and the discharged in disgrace...you lying piece of shîte

I was honorably discharged you filthy, lying, moronic bastard.

Can the Mods please explain why Kalan isn't banned for this? Other posters get banned for far less.

He came on the forum and started making threads up about Ali being shite and afraid of Wilt Chamberlain etc etc the very first post I made to him, politely questioning his bizarre story he launched into a tirade, i then thought he must be a previously banned poster with a grudge. He did the same to other longtime posters.

Now the monster known as Kolon stalks the forum, ready to make outlandish claims that nobody, not even him believes. He does it all with the explicit blessing of BoxBuzz, the very very tolerant Mod here

[MrGuy]

I dont care what the scores were. He still looked mediocre compared to what he usually looked like. Most heavyweights aren't great fighters. Class B probably sums it up for any era.. Like those B fighters that starched Lewis.

You really are a clueless clown, though you do provide the answer to the old question.

" How can you tell when a Murican is lying?"

Easy, he opens his mouth.

Even slime like Tyson couldn't look mediocre when he wins every round comfortably before knocking the other guy out. However one thing the filthy sex beast has in common with dear old Frank is neither of them was able to reverse a defeat, unlike Lennox Lewis of course.

Are you sure your not kolon under an alt?

So you logically cant think of any reason why Lewis ducked everyone?

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

Some people seem to have this notion that being a great heavyweight in one era translates to equal results in other eras and I don't think that's the case. Jim Jeffries was one of the best heavyweights of his day but very few would pick him to beat Lennox Lewis.

- Most on this forum think with their nether regions.

I agree that the concept of different eras producing different fighters in general is legit because of copious rule and organizational changes, but Jeff was about 6-1, 220 lbs trained down to 5% body fat for 40 rd fights against smaller, quicker fighters. If he was fighting in the supersized 12 rd heavy division today, he'd lift the weights for size and strength with 15% body fat and probably weigh about 240, just think Takam or Chisora as two examples. He'd train in modern boxing styles sparring with modern boxers and learn all their tricks. He was a superior athlete to Lewis who was a bit of a big soft lad made good by dint of intelligent training and application. Could Lewis go straight into Jeffries 40 rd era using 5oz gloves with little to no taping where LondonPrizeRingRules were still partially in effect with extended grappling that often saw Jeff's opponents hit the deck or ropes because of throws? Probably about the same small chance as Jeff under Lewis rules would have with by having no time to adjust.

At any rate, say Tyson matures in Joe Louis' day, he doubtless would have been better tended to in his youth because the Northern states were very welcoming for hungry, hard working black families and maybe would have the nurturing needed to prevent his gross mental disorders. But let's say he still has them in latency as he did with Cus, Jacobs, and Cayton, THREE HOFERS who successively created the most dominant 5 year boxer in the history of the sport before those elderly men faded in influence and death. Instead of experimental Psych sedatives, Tyson would likely get electroshock therapy that would work on his hardwired genetic predisposition to Bipolar rages and depressions where he was a menace to the public and to himself. So they'd give him an experimental frontal lobotomy that was starting to gain some traction.

He'd still be in his prime years and the usual swollen swillbellies on this board would be saying he was in his prime, which sorta begs their own predisposition to self lobotomization that they can't see that mental factor is all important in boxing. With out a legit mental factor, you're just another of the usual swollen swillbelly bucking up to bars starting fights and getting beat up like the usual little stink runts who don't even have a belly to buck to.
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[Kalan]

I dont care what the scores were. He still looked mediocre compared to what he usually looked like. Most heavyweights aren't great fighters. Class B probably sums it up for any era.. Like those B fighters that starched Lewis.

You really are a clueless clown, though you do provide the answer to the old question.

" How can you tell when a Murican is lying?"

Easy, he opens his mouth.

Even slime like Tyson couldn't look mediocre when he wins every round comfortably before knocking the other guy out. However one thing the filthy sex beast has in common with dear old Frank is neither of them was able to reverse a defeat, unlike Lennox Lewis of course.

Are you sure your not kolon under an alt?

This shitt-for-brains Old-N-Moldie hates Americans. Therefore an American is lying anytime he says anything. They're all Donald Trump because Hillary won the popular vote by over 3 million votes but somehow he’s prez.

I’m BuzzBox, I’m El Duce, I’m Mr. Guy or anyone these crap-for-brains don’t agree with.

The truth is, Louis had a moderate skin tone and heavy financial backing. He was also coached on how to be modest and humble and not to exult in victory over white guys. He had to do a lot of scraping and bowing. He became the first black man to get a Title Fight in decades.

At a time when many outstanding black athletes chose other avenues – cuz the opportunities just weren’t there in big time sports – 21 of Louis’s first 22 Title opponents were white. All 16 of Mike Tyson’s Title opponents were black because the color line had long since been shredded. The fact is, Louis faced very limited opposition compared to Tyson – so much so that they were collectively known as the “Bum of the Month Club”

If Eastern Europeans and other overseas Heavyweights were eliminated from competition along with black men.. What would the Top-10 white North American Heavyweights look like today???

They’d look as bad as Joe Louis’s “Bum of the Month Club.”

[Tomasino]

I dont care what the scores were. He still looked mediocre compared to what he usually looked like. Most heavyweights aren't great fighters. Class B probably sums it up for any era.. Like those B fighters that starched Lewis.

You really are a clueless clown, though you do provide the answer to the old question.

" How can you tell when a Murican is lying?"

Easy, he opens his mouth.

Even slime like Tyson couldn't look mediocre when he wins every round comfortably before knocking the other guy out. However one thing the filthy sex beast has in common with dear old Frank is neither of them was able to reverse a defeat, unlike Lennox Lewis of course.

Are you sure your not kolon under an alt?

This shitt-for-brains Old-N-Moldie hates Americans. Therefore an American is lying anytime he says anything. They're all Donald Trump because Hillary won the popular vote by over 3 million votes but somehow he’s prez.

I’m BuzzBox, I’m El Duce, I’m Mr. Guy or anyone these crap-for-brains don’t agree with.

The truth is, Louis had a moderate skin tone and heavy financial backing. He was also coached on how to be modest and humble and not to exult in victory over white guys. He had to do a lot of scraping and bowing. He became the first black man to get a Title Fight in decades.

At a time when many outstanding black athletes chose other avenues – cuz the opportunities just weren’t there in big time sports – 21 of Louis’s first 22 Title opponents were white. All 16 of Mike Tyson’s Title opponents were black because the color line had long since been shredded. The fact is, Louis faced very limited opposition compared to Tyson – so much so that they were collectively known as the “Bum of the Month Club”

If Eastern Europeans and other overseas Heavyweights were eliminated from competition along with black men.. What would the Top-10 white North American Heavyweights look like today???

They’d look as bad as Joe Louis’s “Bum of the Month Club.”

Which era did you compete in? When was it you were considered the hardest punching fighter on the planet? Just curious since you’ve mentioned it quite a few times...

[Kalan]

The 60's and 70's.... I wasn't considered the world's hardest puncher... One very easily impressed announcer thought I was and introduced me to the crowds as such... I asked him to stop saying that and he said, "but I think you are the world's hardest puncher." I said, "I don't care what you think... I'm not, and I want you to stop saying that." and he did.

He started calling me an "unbelievably" hard puncher and that pissed me off too... I was more of a smart boxer.

[BoxBuzz]

You really are a clueless clown, though you do provide the answer to the old question.

" How can you tell when a Murican is lying?"

Easy, he opens his mouth.

Even slime like Tyson couldn't look mediocre when he wins every round comfortably before knocking the other guy out. However one thing the filthy sex beast has in common with dear old Frank is neither of them was able to reverse a defeat, unlike Lennox Lewis of course.

Are you sure your not kolon under an alt?

So you logically cant rhink of any reason why Lewis ducked everyone?

Lennox Lewis NEVER ducked anyone. The primary reason for this was because he was NOT Murican. The secondary reason for this is because he was NOT Murican. The 3rd reason and any other subsequent reasons were due to the fact that he NEVER was, and thankfully NEVER could be Murican. This is why despite the best / worst intentions of subhuman Muricans he beat EVERY Murican he EVER faced, DESPITE step aside payments, lawsuits, and EVERY other kind of Murican bullshit they could come up with.

It really is a simple matter of him being superior to anything Murica tried to throw at him.

Hey there slimebucket......Murica is an experiment containing all races of mankind.....what kind of hater that makes you is on a grand scale........when who you should really point your venomous nonsensical abstract fear at, perhaps should be the father of the child you have come to hate...the MOTHER country.....hmmm who would that be......but alas then you would be turning your critical flawed reasoning inward.....and you'd probably snap from the pressure and embarrassment at your unreasonable lack of judgment/forgiveness/tolerance/sensibility/kindness/generosity/positivity/charity/ and general all round good naturedness.

Now....please forgive me for pointing truth to power.....cuz I imagine your breath could be damn near all powerful.

With that said, I could be hasty in my judgment, and simply haven't taken the time to get to know your troo inner "Teddy Bear".....oops....there's a "Murican" slip.......Teddy was of course an ol' American Pres......and you'd shun such a comparison.

[MrGuy]

You really are a clueless clown, though you do provide the answer to the old question.

" How can you tell when a Murican is lying?"

Easy, he opens his mouth.

Even slime like Tyson couldn't look mediocre when he wins every round comfortably before knocking the other guy out. However one thing the filthy sex beast has in common with dear old Frank is neither of them was able to reverse a defeat, unlike Lennox Lewis of course.

Are you sure your not kolon under an alt?

So you logically cant rhink of any reason why Lewis ducked everyone?

Lennox Lewis NEVER ducked anyone. The primary reason for this was because he was NOT Murican. The secondary reason for this is because he was NOT Murican. The 3rd reason and any other subsequent reasons were due to the fact that he NEVER was, and thankfully NEVER could be Murican. This is why despite the best / worst intentions of subhuman Muricans he beat EVERY Murican he EVER faced, DESPITE step aside payments, lawsuits, and EVERY other kind of Murican bullshit they could come up with.

It really is a simple matter of him being superior to anything Murica tried to throw at him.

When he was lying prone on the canvas against McCall and Tucker, I noticed that. No he waited until they were shot. Drop the Murican talk. That sounds as dumb as someone making fun of your teeth.

[MrGuy]

Lennox Lewis NEVER ducked anyone. The primary reason for this was because he was NOT Murican. The secondary reason for this is because he was NOT Murican. The 3rd reason and any other subsequent reasons were due to the fact that he NEVER was, and thankfully NEVER could be Murican. This is why despite the best / worst intentions of subhuman Muricans he beat EVERY Murican he EVER faced, DESPITE step aside payments, lawsuits, and EVERY other kind of Murican bullshit they could come up with.

It really is a simple matter of him being superior to anything Murica tried to throw at him.

When he was lying prone on the canvas against McCall and Tucker, I noticed that. No he waited until they were shot. Drop the Murican talk. That sounds as dumb as someone making fun of your teeth.

You see you even managed to get that wrong. Lewis was the first man to drop Tucker, Tony did NOT drop Lewis. Forget teeth, show me a Murican with brains, and I will show you a well behaved dog, as they are one and the same.

Sometimes you colonials forget your place in life. Remember who taught you to speak your language.

McCall and Rahman. Whatever. Insightful. You tend to go off on tirades of historical significance. What they have to do with boxing. Remember what happened when you crossed the pond. Out of respect for your fellow countrymen, I'll refrain from hysterical rants like yours.

[SenorPipino]

This shitt-for-brains Old-N-Moldie hates Americans.

Of course I do, and for obvious reasons. You are the SLIME of the earth. Scumbag bullies who love bombing women and kids from 80,000 feet, because you are too gutless to fly in low, to study your targets, and risk return fire.

How do you fukk up a good war?

Bring the fukkin useless Yanks in.

The hero of the moment is this weird haircut freak in North Korea, called Kim who Flung Dung, because he is ridiculing your fukkin stupid prez, because he knows due to the close proximity of China, your fukkin lowlife sex fiend of a moron will never DARE attack him.

It is great seeing your poo tip of a country being reduced to the laughing stock of the world, because your fukkin inbred prez is being reduced to trying to win wars on Twitter.

You know what they say G.O.

If it wasn't for the Muricans, you would be scrawling your amusing posts in German.

Seig heil, amigo.

[Kalan]

This shitt-for-brains Old-N-Moldie hates Americans.

Of course I do, and for obvious reasons. You are the SLIME of the earth. Scumbag bullies who love bombing women and kids from 80,000 feet, because you are too gutless to fly in low, to study your targets, and risk return fire.

How do you fukk up a good war?

Bring the fukkin useless Yanks in.

The hero of the moment is this weird haircut freak in North Korea, called Kim who Flung Dung, because he is ridiculing your fukkin stupid prez, because he knows due to the close proximity of China, your fukkin lowlife sex fiend of a moron will never DARE attack him.

It is great seeing your poo tip of a country being reduced to the laughing stock of the world, because your fukkin inbred prez is being reduced to trying to win wars on Twitter.

You know what they say G.O.

If it wasn't for the Muricans, you would be scrawling your amusing posts in German.

Seig heil, amigo.

[Tomasino]

The 60's and 70's.... I wasn't considered the world's hardest puncher... One very easily impressed announcer thought I was and introduced me to the crowds as such... I asked him to stop saying that and he said, "but I think you are the world's hardest puncher." I said, "I don't care what you think... I'm not, and I want you to stop saying that." and he did.

He started calling me an "unbelievably" hard puncher and that pissed me off too... I was more of a smart boxer.

that sounds really believable Kalan, well done kid. Who was the announcer?

[Kalan]

His initials were GF (not George Foreman well before his time).

[Cojimar 1946]

Trump is pretty bad, not sure how he got elected.

[Cojimar 1946]

but there are bad people outside America like that Jimmy Savile dude

[Kalan]

Trump is pretty bad, not sure how he got elected

Clinton won the popular vote by over 3 million votes... and did almost as well as Obama did... A lot of people say Trump won by a combination of rigged voting machines, Russian hacking, and mafia type payoffs to voting officials...

Everything on earth is being done to thwart the special counsel's investigation cuz he's uncovered some deep shitt.

[BoxBuzz]

Slimebucket.

Hey, are you implying with those emojis that using the descriptor of "slimebucket" is not all that it should be?
Cuz I think it was the right word for the right time. And I take great umbrage at your insinuation that it may not strike just the right tone.

[BoxBuzz]

Slimebucket.

Hey, are you implying with those emojis that using the descriptor of "slimebucket" is not all that it should be?
Cuz I think it was the right word for the right time. And I take great umbrage at your insinuation that it may not strike just the right tone.

You can take umbrage, or ullage if you choose, I'm not fussed either way.

Now there's a calm considerate lad.....let's have more of that from ya!

[BoxBuzz]

Let me be clear....I deserve a palace and limousine, and based on your words and good judgment, I await their imminent arrival.

[CliSwe]

Hey, it's all about individual styles of fighting! Fighter A outclasses Fighter B; Fighter B knocks out Fighter C. So Fighter A should totally dominate Fighter C, right? Not always: Fighter C can often defeat Fighter A. I fought boxers who'd defeated guys that I'd lost to. And I beat them in the ring. They were obviously less comfortable facing my individual style of fighting. Who's to know whether Marciano's high pain threshold and better diet and training, give him an edge over Dempsey's ruthless killer instinct? That's a fight I'd love to see, with both at their peak. Or Louis vs. either of those two. Shufflin' Joe was a very deceptive fighter: his fists did the dancing, not his feet. I think vs. Iron Mike, Joe might've visited the canvas once or twice. But he'd have gotten up - and his superior hand speed would've seen Tyson off.

[Ambling Alp II]

I agree that Louis would than likely win the fight. However, the reasoning that Tyson's opponent didn't hold a candle to Joe Louis doesn't make a lot of sense. Of course they don't However, we are talking about Tyson, not Tyson's opponents.
You could just as easily say that Red Burman, Johnny Paycheck, Jack Roper, Tony Musto, Gus Dorazo etc. don't hold a candle to Mike Tyson.