Too Tall Jones vs Bert Cooper

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Buzz gave himself a break?

Oh come on, give Buzz a break. He ain't Kalan.

Disagree

[punchoutsb]

Do you think we've caught him in an out and out lie that would compromise his character? I'm not sure he's a liar at all.

He has a bad memory yes and contradicts himself often, not quite sure that qualifies as "ill intent" he's loose with his words, but the basic structure holds up.

Opinionated? yep.....stodgy? Check.......Seems to be an old trainer who thinks he knows more than just "a lot" which he does seem to know.

He may not be a liar, but he certainly doesn't know what he's talking about. He claimed to have benched 405 for 4 reps which isn't unbelievable for a strength athlete (I can do it after 8 years of HARD strength only training) but is pretty unbelievable for a supposed boxer at a time when very few boxers lifted at all. In the early 60's there had only been 13 men in the WORLD to bench over 400 once...He also claims to have pressed 340 pounds overhead easily which would have put him 11th in the world in 1964 and sent him to the Olympics in 1972. Reg Park pressed 300 overhead and it was considered a huge feat since he was "only" 240 pounds. He claims to have done this without training heavily since he's a boxer; by my estimation he would be the second strongest boxer of all time right behind Paul Anderson. He also claims "Cullen Bryant" (I'm guessing he means the Rams running back) benched 545 lbs, about 50 pounds more than the current world record for Bryants size.

Add this to his other claims and we either have one of the most accomplished humans to have ever lived on boxrec or we've got a trolly old hyperbolist.

I missed this thread. Where did he claim this?

The bench claims were made in my bench press thread in the Training and Coaching section. The overhead claims were made in one of the threads he was trashing Joe Frazier in, though I can't remember which thread that was in.

[Controversial]

Ed “Too Tall”Jones fourth pro fight against the 2-4 Jimmy Wallace, you can see why he gave up.

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Jones moves like a Thunderbird puppet!!!

[BoxBuzz]

In boxing you can never be "Too Tall" and Mr Jones fits that description perfectly.

It's interesting to note that if you add up the total amount of boxing defeats for Too Tall Jones, and Wilt Chamberlain
it equals "0". That is a fascinating number, and very impressive.

However, Marciano (a much shorter man) actually achieved that same amount of losses completely on his own. (As did Sven Ottke.) So. what's up with that?

And although I don't want to embarrass Wilt or Ed, the much shorter man, (Rocky) also achieved about 10 times the amount of victories as both of these men combined. Or in the case of Wilt, Rocky actually achieved an INFINITE amount of wins in excess of Wilt. (Due to the odd dynamics of the number zero, and Wilt's very peculiar professional pugilistic record.

So apparently Marciano's height just may be an advantage, once you run the numbers.

[Counter-puncher]

Jones moves like a Thunderbird puppet!!!

He was avoided by all the top heavyweights as they feared him, because he was really tall. Kalan told me.

[SenorPipino]

So what's the fascination some here have over real tall athletes dabbling in boxing?

So I look at the records and see that Too Tall spent about 2 months in the sport, compiled a glossy 6-0 mark with 5 KOs, and picked up a whopping 20 rounds of professional experience.

His opponents were mediocre to say the least, with a combined record of 26-39-3. His final opponent, one Rocky Gonzalez, was making his pro debut. He never fought again.

Of course, Jones never fought again either.

Stories abound that Jones simply wanted a contract extension from the Cowboys, so he thought he would play the "boxing card."

Same as Wilton Norman Chamberlain did earlier in the 70s when he attempted to swindle Lakers owner Jack Kent Cooke into giving him a raise by announcing he was giving up basketball to challenge Ali.

Wilt didn't go through with his threat, bolting from a press conference to announce the fight, and Jones didn't stay in the boxing game too long either.

Friends explained that he didn't realize that boxing would be so difficult.

And getting back to the question the OP posed---how would a matchup between Jones and Bert Cooper turn out--I figure that Cooper would "smoke" Jones in the first round.

The dreaded Yaqui Meneses dropped Jones hard in the first and ended up losing a disputed decision.

Cooper, he of the sizzling left hook, would not only drop Jones early, but leave him unconscious.

Nobody ever thought that novice Jones resembled a terrific heavyweight.

Well, come to think of it, somebody does.

[Controversial]

Jones moves like a Thunderbird puppet!!!

Thats what I thought, he does some weird head wobbling doesn't he.. He's wide open, keeps dropping his hands and freezes when hit. Wallace had him hurt a couple of times, Jones would've been flattened had he fought anyone half decent.

[HomicideHenry]

Too Tall's pro debut fight was apparently embarrassing, though he won. He fought a Mexican who was about 5'8" and he actually floored Jones in the first round I believe. He fought a few more times but it was clear he was going nowhere.

[Tony1244]

This shouldn't even be a serious question. Jones didn't even win his debut fight. Cooper would have flattened Jones and turned him from a tree into a log.

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This shouldn't even be a serious question. Jones didn't even win his debut fight. Cooper would have flattened Jones and turned him from a tree into a log.

Spot on.

He looked rubbish.

He should have name himself Ed "Too S**t" Jones instead.

[SenorPipino]

This shouldn't even be a serious question. Jones didn't even win his debut fight. Cooper would have flattened Jones and turned him from a tree into a log.

Well actually he did win although more than a few thought Meneses deserved the nod.

I remember actually giving the decision to Jones though. Meneses was a typical Mexican heavyweight---about 5'7" 200+ lbs.

Shockingly he ran out of gas late and I felt the better conditioned Jones shaded him.

But hardly the type of performance that would have had Cooper shaking in his booties.

[Tony1244]

This shouldn't even be a serious question. Jones didn't even win his debut fight. Cooper would have flattened Jones and turned him from a tree into a log.

Well actually he did win although more than a few thought Meneses deserved the nod.

I remember actually giving the decision to Jones though. Meneses was a typical Mexican heavyweight---about 5'7" 200+ lbs.

Shockingly he ran out of gas late and I felt the better conditioned Jones shaded him.

But hardly the type of performance that would have had Cooper shaking in his booties.

Yeah, I should have written he may not have deserved to win.