Who can defeat Joshua (January 2018 - January 2020) ?

ValMar · Post by **ValMar** » 27 Jan 2018, 16:17

What do you think ? Why ?

gilgamesh · Post by **gilgamesh** » 27 Jan 2018, 16:21

Wilder certainly is capable of it.

Miller is a good fighter, but he's too fat and unprofessional. Ditto Tyson Fury.

None of the other Heavyweights out there seem capable of it to me other than Wilder at the moment, but then again nobody would've predicted Hasim Rahman knocked out Lennox Lewis in 2001 or that Corrie Sanders knocked out Wladimir Klitschko in 2003.

The Heavyweight division is full of upsets that come out of nowhere. We can really only take it one fight at a time. I think he'll definitely make it past Parker in his next scheduled fight. We'll see what's next from there.

Ilya Muromets · Post by **Ilya Muromets** » 27 Jan 2018, 19:50

You think Who can defeat Joshua? But Who's on first...

Rob3_142 · Post by **Rob3_142** » 27 Jan 2018, 19:52

I think the wording in the question suggests that many can beat Joshua. This is the heavyweight division afterall.

Who will is another question altogether. I vote that Wilder and Dubois can, but I suspect none will.

Ilya Muromets · Post by **Ilya Muromets** » 27 Jan 2018, 19:57

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 19:52 I think the wording in the question suggests that many can beat Joshua...

No, Many's on second.

BitPlayer · Post by **BitPlayer** » 27 Jan 2018, 19:58

Wilder could do it. Fury could if he got back to his old level. Not seen enough of Usyk, and too many unknowns going to heavyweight.

brilo33 · Post by **brilo33** » 27 Jan 2018, 20:11

i would go for nearly all of them, as i think he is vulnerable

Stuarty · Post by **Stuarty** » 27 Jan 2018, 20:21

Fury has the skill and movement to beat AJ but he has to get in shape because AJ has some dog in him and if he's behind he'll put it on Fury! Wilder has the power but so does AJ. I think AJ's straight punches would land first. Wilder deffo has the power though!

Rob3_142 · Post by **Rob3_142** » 27 Jan 2018, 20:25

brilo33 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 20:11 i would go for nearly all of them, as i think he is vulnerable

Why do you think he's vulnerable?

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 27 Jan 2018, 20:52

Usyk, easily.

jamamb · Post by **jamamb** » 27 Jan 2018, 20:54

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 20:52 Usyk, easily.

you said briedis winning over usyk wouldnt have been a robbery. .does briedies beat aj easy too

Mexi-Box · Post by **Mexi-Box** » 27 Jan 2018, 21:03

jamamb wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 20:54
Mexi-Box wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 20:52 Usyk, easily.

you said briedis winning over usyk wouldnt have been a robbery. .does briedies beat aj easy too

I also said that CW's fight at a higher talent than HW's, and I said Usyk's performance at such a talent-rich division doesn't mean anything when he moves up to the weaker HW division. The underline is just a plain idiotic statement. We've seen several fighters find success at higher weight classes even after losing to a talented fighter a division below. Right now, I'm Jordan Peterson and you're Cathy Newman asking me if we should be more like lobsters.

KiwiRider · Post by **KiwiRider** » 27 Jan 2018, 21:20

One option?
The guy isn't superhuman, anyone that can land 2-3 hard flush punches in succession could do it.
And while I don't fully buy into Parker's teams allegations re; the glass chin, I do think it is fallible.

brilo33 · Post by **brilo33** » 27 Jan 2018, 21:22

Rob3_142 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 20:25
brilo33 wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 20:11 i would go for nearly all of them, as i think he is vulnerable
Why do you think he's vulnerable?

,he can be hit, ,so with a banger like wilder about there is that ko there, also i think he could find a fight with a fit Tyson very tough, i think parker will test him , but that is heavy weight boxing, every heavy weight fighter is vulnerable, is what iam getting at

candyslim · Post by **candyslim** » 28 Jan 2018, 05:37

Parker: I wouldn't write him off but I don't see him having the power to keep Joshua honest. He will be forced onto the back foot and although not devoid of boxing ability, won't feel comfortable and doesn't have the defence to nullify Joshua's physical advantages and punching power. A painful night for Mister Parker.

Wilder: Would have a significant chance against any human who ever lived. His power advantage is meaningless because they both can hit hard enough to get the job done, so it's speed against skill. Based on the question of how much of a problem has been given to each of these unbeaten champions, by which opponents, and the relative ability of those opponents, I have to go with Joshua.

Fury: Represents the biggest danger to AJ if he can get back to what he was. It's a long road but he's made a good start.

Ortiz: A superb technician who could potentially dismantle AJ with power allied to superior know-how. He's 39 in March if you believe the official declaration, and although his style never was built on speed and stamina, no fighter is immune to the ravages of time.

Povetkin: Recent performances suggest he is past his best. He is too small and too slow to cope with Joshua.

Miller: Has stamina, strength and good movement for such a big man, but he isn't a huge puncher, goes looking for his opponent, and isn't hard to hit. Despite appearing to have a pretty good chin I can't help thinking his attributes are made to measure for AJ.

Usyk: Has the technique to make life very difficult for AJ but not having the power to keep AJ from taking liberties could be too significant a disadvantage taken together with the physical disparity.
I would never say Usyk has no chance though.

Dubois: Looks good so far but it's way too early to gauge whether he'll ever have what it takes to derail Joshua.

Hrgovic: Was where I cast my vote. AJ should be safe for a while yet but Hrgovic looks the real deal and if anyone has all the tools it may well be this young Wlad-U-Like. Time will tell.

DrDuke · Post by **DrDuke** » 28 Jan 2018, 05:45

First of all, Tyson Fury in his Klitschko-fight version. Wilder and Povetkin have real chances, the first clearly landed punch of both can be the last for Joshua. Ortiz also has such opportunity. Dubois and Hrgovic - they look tough, but need more competition in pros.

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 28 Jan 2018, 06:07

from these on the list i think they can defeat AJ
Fury (slim outpoint chances, slim because i doubt he gets in the shape of the past)
Wilder (reasonable puncher chances)
Povetkin (both outpoint and puncher chances but both very slim)
Usyk (slim outpoint chances)
Hrgović (in future he would be the biggest threat to AJ's reign, but obviously it's too early now)
so they can, but all of them rather lose

pound per pound · Post by **pound per pound** » 28 Jan 2018, 09:34

ValMar wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 16:17 What do you think ? Why ?

2020 is two years from now. I’m not convinced Joshua will get past Parker and 3 other title defenses. To open 2020 as the top gun.

A few can defeat Joshua. If you mean who’s most likely Hrgovic.

Tony1244 · Post by **Tony1244** » 28 Jan 2018, 09:55

I voted Wilder. I don't think he necessarily will beat Wilder but perhaps he can.

Badhusker · Post by **Badhusker** » 28 Jan 2018, 10:29

pound per pound wrote: ↑28 Jan 2018, 09:34
ValMar wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 16:17 What do you think ? Why ?
2020 is two years from now. I’m not convinced Joshua will get past Parker and 3 other title defenses. To open 2020 as the top gun.

A few can defeat Joshua. If you mean who’s most likely Hrgovic.

Are we talking about the same guy, Hrgovic that is 3-0 against no one?

dagilechia · Post by **dagilechia** » 28 Jan 2018, 10:47

Badhusker wrote: ↑28 Jan 2018, 10:29
pound per pound wrote: ↑28 Jan 2018, 09:34
ValMar wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 16:17 What do you think ? Why ?
2020 is two years from now. I’m not convinced Joshua will get past Parker and 3 other title defenses. To open 2020 as the top gun.

A few can defeat Joshua. If you mean who’s most likely Hrgovic.
Are we talking about the same guy, Hrgovic that is 3-0 against no one?

yeah but on amateurs he beat some current pro fighters (also he fought in WSB which are just like pro fights)
in 2010 he beat Joseph Parker 8-6 and Tony Yoka 7-4
in WSB he fought some current pros:
2012 Michal Olas http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/765769 W TKO 2
2013 Joseph Joyce (i guess everyone knows him) L by SD
2013 Sergey Kuzmin (rather most know him too http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/703923) W by UD
2015 Pawel Wierzbicki (http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/799146) W by UD (very widely)
Hrgović is 25 yo now

cultus · Post by **cultus** » 28 Jan 2018, 15:45

x2x wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 19:50 You think Who can defeat Joshua? But Who's on first...

Awesome dude!

Ilya Muromets · Post by **Ilya Muromets** » 28 Jan 2018, 22:09

cultus wrote: ↑28 Jan 2018, 15:45
x2x wrote: ↑27 Jan 2018, 19:50 You think Who can defeat Joshua? But Who's on first...

Awesome dude!

It took more than 70 years but Abbot and Costello's prediction finally came true!

Lackeos · Post by **Lackeos** » 29 Jan 2018, 00:43

I voted for Tyson Fury. Which, by that, I mean an active, in-shape Fury.

Nightmare Roy · Post by **Nightmare Roy** » 29 Jan 2018, 03:52

Anything can happen in HW boxing, he'd start as a favourite against all of them though. Be interesting to see how DDD gets on, I think he could be a real force in the future, that said I don't think he'll be fighting for world titles for at least 3 years