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mike1989 wrote: 04 Jan 2018, 13:59
computerrank wrote: 04 Jan 2018, 05:01
mike1989 wrote: 03 Jan 2018, 17:34

hi Martin!
question: the annual ranking points are awarded to the top 20 or top 15 ???
Top 20 for men
then why Vyacheslav Shabranskyy global ID 626314 and Eugene Khitrov global ID 667461 not received an annual rating points ???
Why do think, they didn't, please?
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Top 20 for men
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then why Vyacheslav Shabranskyy global ID 626314 and Eugene Khitrov global ID 667461 not received an annual rating points ???
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Why do think, they didn't, please?
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these fighters have now a rating of all time with 19 points, both in the top 20 ranking because it is at least 5 points for 2017. To the accrual of points for 2017 in these fighters rating all the half was 19 points and 17 points ???
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mike1989 wrote: 05 Jan 2018, 04:19 Top 20 for men
then why Vyacheslav Shabranskyy global ID 626314 and Eugene Khitrov global ID 667461 not received an annual rating points ???
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Why do think, they didn't, please?
[/quote]

these fighters have now a rating of all time with 19 points, both in the top 20 ranking because it is at least 5 points for 2017. To the accrual of points for 2017 in these fighters rating all the half was 19 points and 17 points ???
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Due to best performance in 2017
Shabransky is rated at Light Heavyweight:

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2017 281958 15  1 948.68 Andre Ward
2017 372003 15  2 531.42 Adonis Stevenson
2017 505927 15  3 406.85 Sergey Kovalev
2017 497268 15  4 328.41 Badou Jack
2017 505296 15  5 302.09 Sullivan Barrera
2017 503963 15  6 300.39 Eleider Alvarez
2017 679709 15  7 276.13 Oleksandr Gvozdyk
2017 513839 15  8 229.69 Joe Smith Jr
2017 290691 15  9 219.81 Jean Pascal
2017 629463 15 10 207.41 Marcus Browne
2017 646981 15 11 197.72 Artur Beterbiev
2017 358969 15 12 176.65 Andrzej Fonfara
2017 324239 15 13 167.23 Nathan Cleverly
2017 431949 15 14 164.45 Igor Mikhalkin
2017 703924 15 15 148.03 Dmitry Bivol
2017 372191 15 16 117.38 Karo Murat
2017  39345 15 17 107.46 Robert Stieglitz
2017 551332 15 18  97.55 Thomas Williams Jr
2017 716443 15 19  96.58 Anthony Yarde
2017 307838 15 20  92.76 Nadjib Mohammedi
2017  60393 15 21  85.00 Chad Dawson
2017 626314 15 22  83.74 Vyacheslav Shabranskyy
2017 644125 15 23  79.05 Damien Hooper
2017 223046 15 24  78.19 Lucian Bute
2017 316441 15 25  77.82 Peter Quillin
2017 636531 15 26  76.18 Umar Salamov
2017 578201 15 27  76.01 Bilal Laggoune
2017 554533 15 28  75.97 Yunieski Gonzalez
2017 460738 15 29  73.23 Thomas Oosthuizen
2017 553831 15 30  72.67 Dominic Boesel
Khytrov is rated at Super Middleweight:

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2017 588468 14  1 422.66 Chris Eubank Jr
2017 509666 14  2 404.66 Gilberto Ramirez
2017 472580 14  3 332.61 George Groves
2017 631178 14  4 290.48 Callum Smith
2017 610132 14  5 180.52 Jesse Hart
2017 291903 14  6 168.50 Andre Dirrell
2017 208432 14  7 168.26 Arthur Abraham
2017 605626 14  8 162.91 Tyron Zeuge
2017   9051 14  9 161.52 Juergen Braehmer
2017 387857 14 10 160.29 Caleb Truax
2017 482498 14 11 150.22 James DeGale
2017 500607 14 12 149.75 Fedor Chudinov
2017 291908 14 13 142.29 Anthony Dirrell
2017 681976 14 14 136.55 Avni Yildirim
2017 214371 14 15 129.37 Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
2017 672259 14 16 128.20 David Benavidez
2017 480479 14 17 123.00 Hadillah Mohoumadi
2017 546589 14 18 119.79 Rocky Fielding
2017 535211 14 19 119.38 Erik Skoglund
2017 463702 14 20 107.91 Renold Quinlan
2017 389007 14 21 102.91 Jorge Sebastian Heiland
2017 545557 14 22 100.53 John Ryder
2017 592378 14 23  97.45 Vincent Feigenbutz
2017  17134 14 24  96.07 Lolenga Mock
2017 571528 14 25  95.05 Jose Uzcategui
2017 334763 14 26  93.50 Robin Krasniqi
2017 591042 14 27  90.83 Ronald Gavril
2017 553637 14 28  89.64 Rohan Murdock
2017  42088 14 29  88.90 Sakio Bika
2017 678444 14 30  78.19 Andrey Sirotkin
2017 548274 14 31  76.53 Roamer Alexis Angulo
2017 667461 14 32  75.37 Ievgen Khytrov
2017 438085 14 33  73.08 Juergen Doberstein
2017 522845 14 34  72.27 Mike Gavronski
2017 526600 14 35  71.65 J'Leon Love
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computerrank wrote: 05 Jan 2018, 10:17
mike1989 wrote: 05 Jan 2018, 04:19 Top 20 for men
then why Vyacheslav Shabranskyy global ID 626314 and Eugene Khitrov global ID 667461 not received an annual rating points ???
Why do think, they didn't, please?
[/quote]

these fighters have now a rating of all time with 19 points, both in the top 20 ranking because it is at least 5 points for 2017. To the accrual of points for 2017 in these fighters rating all the half was 19 points and 17 points ???
[/quote]
Due to best performance in 2017
Shabransky is rated at Light Heavyweight:

Code: Select all

2017 281958 15  1 948.68 Andre Ward
2017 372003 15  2 531.42 Adonis Stevenson
2017 505927 15  3 406.85 Sergey Kovalev
2017 497268 15  4 328.41 Badou Jack
2017 505296 15  5 302.09 Sullivan Barrera
2017 503963 15  6 300.39 Eleider Alvarez
2017 679709 15  7 276.13 Oleksandr Gvozdyk
2017 513839 15  8 229.69 Joe Smith Jr
2017 290691 15  9 219.81 Jean Pascal
2017 629463 15 10 207.41 Marcus Browne
2017 646981 15 11 197.72 Artur Beterbiev
2017 358969 15 12 176.65 Andrzej Fonfara
2017 324239 15 13 167.23 Nathan Cleverly
2017 431949 15 14 164.45 Igor Mikhalkin
2017 703924 15 15 148.03 Dmitry Bivol
2017 372191 15 16 117.38 Karo Murat
2017  39345 15 17 107.46 Robert Stieglitz
2017 551332 15 18  97.55 Thomas Williams Jr
2017 716443 15 19  96.58 Anthony Yarde
2017 307838 15 20  92.76 Nadjib Mohammedi
2017  60393 15 21  85.00 Chad Dawson
2017 626314 15 22  83.74 Vyacheslav Shabranskyy
2017 644125 15 23  79.05 Damien Hooper
2017 223046 15 24  78.19 Lucian Bute
2017 316441 15 25  77.82 Peter Quillin
2017 636531 15 26  76.18 Umar Salamov
2017 578201 15 27  76.01 Bilal Laggoune
2017 554533 15 28  75.97 Yunieski Gonzalez
2017 460738 15 29  73.23 Thomas Oosthuizen
2017 553831 15 30  72.67 Dominic Boesel
Khytrov is rated at Super Middleweight:

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2017 588468 14  1 422.66 Chris Eubank Jr
2017 509666 14  2 404.66 Gilberto Ramirez
2017 472580 14  3 332.61 George Groves
2017 631178 14  4 290.48 Callum Smith
2017 610132 14  5 180.52 Jesse Hart
2017 291903 14  6 168.50 Andre Dirrell
2017 208432 14  7 168.26 Arthur Abraham
2017 605626 14  8 162.91 Tyron Zeuge
2017   9051 14  9 161.52 Juergen Braehmer
2017 387857 14 10 160.29 Caleb Truax
2017 482498 14 11 150.22 James DeGale
2017 500607 14 12 149.75 Fedor Chudinov
2017 291908 14 13 142.29 Anthony Dirrell
2017 681976 14 14 136.55 Avni Yildirim
2017 214371 14 15 129.37 Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
2017 672259 14 16 128.20 David Benavidez
2017 480479 14 17 123.00 Hadillah Mohoumadi
2017 546589 14 18 119.79 Rocky Fielding
2017 535211 14 19 119.38 Erik Skoglund
2017 463702 14 20 107.91 Renold Quinlan
2017 389007 14 21 102.91 Jorge Sebastian Heiland
2017 545557 14 22 100.53 John Ryder
2017 592378 14 23  97.45 Vincent Feigenbutz
2017  17134 14 24  96.07 Lolenga Mock
2017 571528 14 25  95.05 Jose Uzcategui
2017 334763 14 26  93.50 Robin Krasniqi
2017 591042 14 27  90.83 Ronald Gavril
2017 553637 14 28  89.64 Rohan Murdock
2017  42088 14 29  88.90 Sakio Bika
2017 678444 14 30  78.19 Andrey Sirotkin
2017 548274 14 31  76.53 Roamer Alexis Angulo
2017 667461 14 32  75.37 Ievgen Khytrov
2017 438085 14 33  73.08 Juergen Doberstein
2017 522845 14 34  72.27 Mike Gavronski
2017 526600 14 35  71.65 J'Leon Love
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light heavyweight : badou Jack should be in a super Middleweight because James digel more rating than Nathan cleverly but one Shabran No. 21;
Eugene Khitrov should be in the Middleweight division as his best opponent Immanuwel Aleem 49 points and not Derrick Findley 43 point
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mike1989 wrote: 05 Jan 2018, 17:35
computerrank wrote: 05 Jan 2018, 10:17 Due to best performance in 2017
Shabransky is rated at Light Heavyweight:

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2017 281958 15  1 948.68 Andre Ward
2017 372003 15  2 531.42 Adonis Stevenson
2017 505927 15  3 406.85 Sergey Kovalev
2017 497268 15  4 328.41 Badou Jack
2017 505296 15  5 302.09 Sullivan Barrera
2017 503963 15  6 300.39 Eleider Alvarez
2017 679709 15  7 276.13 Oleksandr Gvozdyk
2017 513839 15  8 229.69 Joe Smith Jr
2017 290691 15  9 219.81 Jean Pascal
2017 629463 15 10 207.41 Marcus Browne
2017 646981 15 11 197.72 Artur Beterbiev
2017 358969 15 12 176.65 Andrzej Fonfara
2017 324239 15 13 167.23 Nathan Cleverly
2017 431949 15 14 164.45 Igor Mikhalkin
2017 703924 15 15 148.03 Dmitry Bivol
2017 372191 15 16 117.38 Karo Murat
2017  39345 15 17 107.46 Robert Stieglitz
2017 551332 15 18  97.55 Thomas Williams Jr
2017 716443 15 19  96.58 Anthony Yarde
2017 307838 15 20  92.76 Nadjib Mohammedi
2017  60393 15 21  85.00 Chad Dawson
2017 626314 15 22  83.74 Vyacheslav Shabranskyy
2017 644125 15 23  79.05 Damien Hooper
2017 223046 15 24  78.19 Lucian Bute
2017 316441 15 25  77.82 Peter Quillin
2017 636531 15 26  76.18 Umar Salamov
2017 578201 15 27  76.01 Bilal Laggoune
2017 554533 15 28  75.97 Yunieski Gonzalez
2017 460738 15 29  73.23 Thomas Oosthuizen
2017 553831 15 30  72.67 Dominic Boesel
Khytrov is rated at Super Middleweight:

Code: Select all

2017 588468 14  1 422.66 Chris Eubank Jr
2017 509666 14  2 404.66 Gilberto Ramirez
2017 472580 14  3 332.61 George Groves
2017 631178 14  4 290.48 Callum Smith
2017 610132 14  5 180.52 Jesse Hart
2017 291903 14  6 168.50 Andre Dirrell
2017 208432 14  7 168.26 Arthur Abraham
2017 605626 14  8 162.91 Tyron Zeuge
2017   9051 14  9 161.52 Juergen Braehmer
2017 387857 14 10 160.29 Caleb Truax
2017 482498 14 11 150.22 James DeGale
2017 500607 14 12 149.75 Fedor Chudinov
2017 291908 14 13 142.29 Anthony Dirrell
2017 681976 14 14 136.55 Avni Yildirim
2017 214371 14 15 129.37 Julio Cesar Chavez Jr
2017 672259 14 16 128.20 David Benavidez
2017 480479 14 17 123.00 Hadillah Mohoumadi
2017 546589 14 18 119.79 Rocky Fielding
2017 535211 14 19 119.38 Erik Skoglund
2017 463702 14 20 107.91 Renold Quinlan
2017 389007 14 21 102.91 Jorge Sebastian Heiland
2017 545557 14 22 100.53 John Ryder
2017 592378 14 23  97.45 Vincent Feigenbutz
2017  17134 14 24  96.07 Lolenga Mock
2017 571528 14 25  95.05 Jose Uzcategui
2017 334763 14 26  93.50 Robin Krasniqi
2017 591042 14 27  90.83 Ronald Gavril
2017 553637 14 28  89.64 Rohan Murdock
2017  42088 14 29  88.90 Sakio Bika
2017 678444 14 30  78.19 Andrey Sirotkin
2017 548274 14 31  76.53 Roamer Alexis Angulo
2017 667461 14 32  75.37 Ievgen Khytrov
2017 438085 14 33  73.08 Juergen Doberstein
2017 522845 14 34  72.27 Mike Gavronski
2017 526600 14 35  71.65 J'Leon Love
light heavyweight : badou Jack should be in a super Middleweight because James digel more rating than Nathan cleverly but one Shabran No. 21;
Eugene Khitrov should be in the Middleweight division as his best opponent Immanuwel Aleem 49 points and not Derrick Findley 43 point
Jack's TKO against 261 points at Light Heavyweight counts more than his draw against 282 points at Super Middleweight.
Khitrov's TKO loss against Aleem at Middleweight does not count.
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computerrank wrote: 05 Jan 2018, 18:05
hi Martin!
I have a question for the downgrade to Odlanier Solis in the period 2012-05-19...2013-11-19
in this period the best opponent Leif Larsen fight took place on 2013-03-22
because before the first fight with Tony Thompson 2014-03-22 rating Odlanier Solis should look 96 points :
10+(167-10)*(1-0,5*(1-58/167)**(307/548) = 10+157*0,547 = 96 points ???
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mike1989 wrote: 09 Jan 2018, 08:30
computerrank wrote: 05 Jan 2018, 18:05
hi Martin!
I have a question for the downgrade to Odlanier Solis in the period 2012-05-19...2013-11-19
in this period the best opponent Leif Larsen fight took place on 2013-03-22
because before the first fight with Tony Thompson 2014-03-22 rating Odlanier Solis should look 96 points :
10+(167-10)*(1-0,5*(1-58/167)**(307/548) = 10+157*0,547 = 96 points ???
As reference you have to take
- 2*best_opp = 2*58 or
- r_old/2 = 167/2

=10+(167-10)*(1-0,5*(1-2*58/167))**(307/548) = 153
=10+(167-10)*(1-0,5*(1-58/(167/2)))**(307/548) = 153
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computerrank wrote: 09 Jan 2018, 15:48
mike1989 wrote: 09 Jan 2018, 08:30
computerrank wrote: 05 Jan 2018, 18:05
hi Martin!
I have a question for the downgrade to Odlanier Solis in the period 2012-05-19...2013-11-19
in this period the best opponent Leif Larsen fight took place on 2013-03-22
because before the first fight with Tony Thompson 2014-03-22 rating Odlanier Solis should look 96 points :
10+(167-10)*(1-0,5*(1-58/167)**(307/548) = 10+157*0,547 = 96 points ???
As reference you have to take
- 2*best_opp = 2*58 or
- r_old/2 = 167/2

=10+(167-10)*(1-0,5*(1-2*58/167))**(307/548) = 153
=10+(167-10)*(1-0,5*(1-58/(167/2)))**(307/548) = 153
exactly )...
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Maybe you guys know, why Usyk earned only 18 points on boxrec for beating №2 in the division?
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Ashdod wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 14:46 Maybe you guys know, why Usyk earned only 18 points on boxrec for beating №2 in the division?
Because it was almost a draw?
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JCS wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 14:52
Ashdod wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 14:46 Maybe you guys know, why Usyk earned only 18 points on boxrec for beating №2 in the division?
Because it was almost a draw?
But still it was "W" isn't? Number 2 you know :confused: Very strong kid...
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Ashdod wrote: 30 Jan 2018, 09:07
JCS wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 14:52
Ashdod wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 14:46 Maybe you guys know, why Usyk earned only 18 points on boxrec for beating №2 in the division?
Because it was almost a draw?
But still it was "W" isn't? Number 2 you know :confused: Very strong kid...
Doesn't matter.
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JCS wrote: 30 Jan 2018, 10:59
Ashdod wrote: 30 Jan 2018, 09:07
JCS wrote: 29 Jan 2018, 14:52

Because it was almost a draw?
But still it was "W" isn't? Number 2 you know :confused: Very strong kid...
Doesn't matter.
Usyk would even have lost 9 points due to the close result and the large rating difference. But he got 27 additional points due to his opponent being #2 - and only so ended with a win of 18 points.
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computerrank wrote: 30 Jan 2018, 13:26
JCS wrote: 30 Jan 2018, 10:59
Ashdod wrote: 30 Jan 2018, 09:07

But still it was "W" isn't? Number 2 you know :confused: Very strong kid...
Doesn't matter.
Usyk would even have lost 9 points due to the close result and the large rating difference. But he got 27 additional points due to his opponent being #2 - and only so ended with a win of 18 points.
Ok, thanks mate.
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can anyone tell me how many points alexander dimitrenko would have if the draw with miljan rovcanin was still in effect?
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jamamb wrote: 07 Feb 2018, 16:51 can anyone tell me how many points alexander dimitrenko would have if the draw with miljan rovcanin was still in effect?
66 points
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thanks mate :TU:
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HW ratings for 3/04, post-Wilder-Ortiz

The HW ratings today show Wilder up 1 to #2, Povetkin down 1 to #3, Pulev up one to #4, and Ortiz down 2 to #5

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean the original order was Povetkin #2, Wilder #3, Ortiz #3, Pulev #5? From what I can tell they weren't tied at #3 before, Wilder was ahead...
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SportsRatings wrote: 04 Mar 2018, 15:13 HW ratings for 3/04, post-Wilder-Ortiz

The HW ratings today show Wilder up 1 to #2, Povetkin down 1 to #3, Pulev up one to #4, and Ortiz down 2 to #5

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this mean the original order was Povetkin #2, Wilder #3, Ortiz #3, Pulev #5? From what I can tell they weren't tied at #3 before, Wilder was ahead...
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hi Martin!
I wanted to ask, in Ukraine Kharkov took place the tournament 17.12.2017
why not displayed in boxrec ???
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mike1989 wrote: 07 Mar 2018, 17:49 hi Martin!
I wanted to ask, in Ukraine Kharkov took place the tournament 17.12.2017
why not displayed in boxrec ???
Hi Michael,
AIBA pro boxing is not approved as pro boxing by the pro boxing commissions. The bouts are not part of the pro boxer record.
Greetings
Martin
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computerrank wrote: 07 Mar 2018, 18:58
mike1989 wrote: 07 Mar 2018, 17:49 hi Martin!
I wanted to ask, in Ukraine Kharkov took place the tournament 17.12.2017
why not displayed in boxrec ???
Hi Michael,
AIBA pro boxing is not approved as pro boxing by the pro boxing commissions. The bouts are not part of the pro boxer record.
Greetings
Martin
no Martin.
the tournament is held by National Professional Boxing League of Ukraine.
The same organizers that this event : http://boxrec.com/en/event/760010 this http://boxrec.com/en/event/758997 ???
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mike1989 wrote: 08 Mar 2018, 07:22
computerrank wrote: 07 Mar 2018, 18:58
mike1989 wrote: 07 Mar 2018, 17:49 hi Martin!
I wanted to ask, in Ukraine Kharkov took place the tournament 17.12.2017
why not displayed in boxrec ???
Hi Michael,
AIBA pro boxing is not approved as pro boxing by the pro boxing commissions. The bouts are not part of the pro boxer record.
Greetings
Martin
no Martin.
the tournament is held by National Professional Boxing League of Ukraine.
The same organizers that this event : http://boxrec.com/en/event/760010 this http://boxrec.com/en/event/758997 ???
Michael,
do you have a web link to this tournament with program and/or results?
Greetings
Martin
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computerrank wrote: 08 Mar 2018, 13:04
mike1989 wrote: 08 Mar 2018, 07:22
computerrank wrote: 07 Mar 2018, 18:58
Michael,
do you have a web link to this tournament with program and/or results?
Greetings
Martin

here's an example :
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/828558 , Alexander Babanov
Boxing 10.03.2010 year in Poland.
that fight which he spent 17.12.2017 ,
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mike1989 wrote: 10 Mar 2018, 08:11
computerrank wrote: 08 Mar 2018, 13:04
mike1989 wrote: 08 Mar 2018, 07:22


here's an example :
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/828558 , Alexander Babanov
Boxing 10.03.2010 year in Poland.
that fight which he spent 17.12.2017 ,
Hi Michael,

- Is there a website, where the results are published?
- is there a newspaper report with the results?

I cannot find an official homepage of National Professional Boxing League of Ukraine

Greetings
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