Pound for Pound 1980's

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 14 Apr 2006, 01:17

In my opinion:
1. Marvin Hagler
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Thomas Hearns
4. Michael Spinks
5. Larry Holmes
6. Aaron Pryor
7. Hector Camacho
8. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
9. Mike Tyson
10. Evander Holyfield

I'm probably forgetting a couple...

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 14 Apr 2006, 01:20

Decagon wrote:Camacho and no Chavez? That's retarded.

LOL! see I told ya I'm probably forgetting someone, and yes I agree he's better than Camacho

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 14 Apr 2006, 07:38

how can you POSSIBLY put hagler above the sugarman considering RAY BEAT MARVIN even considering the circumstances (long layoff, smaller guy).

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 14 Apr 2006, 08:34

1] Julio Cesar Chavez
2] Sugar Ray Leonard
3] Azumah Nelson
4] Marvin Hagler
5] Thomas Hearns
6] Roberto Duran
7] Mike Tyson
8] Jeff Fenech
9] Jung-Koo Chang
10] Brian Mitchell

theone · Post by **theone** » 14 Apr 2006, 09:26

1) Leonard
2)Chavez
3)Hagler
4)Whitaker
5)Sanchez
6)Hearns
7)Tyson
8)Camacho
9)Pryor
10)Fenech

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 14 Apr 2006, 09:31

mattym wrote:how can you POSSIBLY put hagler above the sugarman considering RAY BEAT MARVIN even considering the circumstances (long layoff, smaller guy).

1 fight doesn't make up for 7 years of utter domination. Plus, depending on who you ask, not everyone believes Ray won that fight. If you wanna talk layoffs, Marvin had a 13 month layoff himself. Not to mention that Marvin made every concession to get Leonard into the ring (12 rounds not 15, bigger ring, fighting in Vegas, where Sugar is more popular that Marvin)

The fact that Sugar never gave Marvin a rematch shows that Sugar knows he got away with one that night.

Also, Sugar had as many losses in the 80's as Marvin did, Sugar was 12-1, Marvin was 16-1.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 15 Apr 2006, 00:22

Mattyp151 wrote:
mattym wrote:how can you POSSIBLY put hagler above the sugarman considering RAY BEAT MARVIN even considering the circumstances (long layoff, smaller guy).
1 fight doesn't make up for 7 years of utter domination. Plus, depending on who you ask, not everyone believes Ray won that fight. If you wanna talk layoffs, Marvin had a 13 month layoff himself. Not to mention that Marvin made every concession to get Leonard into the ring (12 rounds not 15, bigger ring, fighting in Vegas, where Sugar is more popular that Marvin)

The fact that Sugar never gave Marvin a rematch shows that Sugar knows he got away with one that night.

Also, Sugar had as many losses in the 80's as Marvin did, Sugar was 12-1, Marvin was 16-1.

Thank you you made my point for me

Hagler swept one of the deepest middleweight divisions since Sugar Ray Robinson, Leonard had an extremely good comeback but Hagler dominated his division defended it fifteen times, consistancy puts Hagler over Leonard... Leonard lost to Duran and had a chance to defend his loss, Leonard never gave Hagler that chance

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 15 Apr 2006, 00:40

Decagon wrote:Hagler didn't make 15 title defenses.

knitpicker, sorry it was just off my head, he made a good amount of defenses though

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 15 Apr 2006, 00:53

Decagon wrote:Monzon's 15 defenses were a hallmark of excellency in the middleweight division.

I agree wholeheartily, Hagler's era was pretty deep, not to take anything away from Monzon who can easily be rank over or about the same as Hagler all-time

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 15 Apr 2006, 07:15

Decagon wrote:Monzon's 15 defenses were a hallmark of excellency in the middleweight division.

Monzon made 14.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 15 Apr 2006, 08:00

Wilfred Benitez, Mike MCcallum, and Wifredo Gomez deserve some type of honorable mention.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 15 Apr 2006, 20:10

bennie wrote:
Decagon wrote:Monzon's 15 defenses were a hallmark of excellency in the middleweight division.
Monzon made 14.

Hopkins made 20.

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 15 Apr 2006, 20:50

Good to see Jeff Fenech getting a mention. At his best he was dynamite

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 16 Apr 2006, 10:52

Decagon wrote:
bennie wrote:
Decagon wrote:Monzon's 15 defenses were a hallmark of excellency in the middleweight division.
Monzon made 14.
D'oh!

No offence. Hagler made 12. Monzon 14. It's something that stuck a few years back.

sly2kusa · Post by **sly2kusa** » 16 Apr 2006, 16:18

Julio Ceasar Chavez didn't even become a name until the late 1980's (in his fight against Meldrick Taylor which still makes me sick to this day).

Sugar Ray was definitely the fighter of the 1980's and pound for pound best.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 16 Apr 2006, 16:58

sly2kusa wrote:Julio Ceasar Chavez didn't even become a name until the late 1980's (in his fight against Meldrick Taylor which still makes me sick to this day).

Sugar Ray was definitely the fighter of the 1980's and pound for pound best.

Chavez beat Taylor in 1990. The Mexican great won the WBC super-featherweight title in '84 and made nine defences before stepping up to lightweight and doing a real number on Edwin Rosario at Madison Square Garden in 1987 to win the WBA lightweight title. He won a unification battle with Jose Luis Ramirez, then stepped up to light-welter in 1989 and stopped Roger Mayweather to win the WBC title. He won all 16 of his world title fights in the 80's.
He turned pro at the start of the decade (February 1980) and was still unbeaten 10 years and 68 fights later.

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 16 Apr 2006, 19:20

bennie wrote:
sly2kusa wrote:Julio Ceasar Chavez didn't even become a name until the late 1980's (in his fight against Meldrick Taylor which still makes me sick to this day).

Sugar Ray was definitely the fighter of the 1980's and pound for pound best.
Chavez beat Taylor in 1990. The Mexican great won the WBC super-featherweight title in '84 and made nine defences before stepping up to lightweight and doing a real number on Edwin Rosario at Madison Square Garden in 1987 to win the WBA lightweight title. He won a unification battle with Jose Luis Ramirez, then stepped up to light-welter in 1989 and stopped Roger Mayweather to win the WBC title. He won all 16 of his world title fights in the 80's.
He turned pro at the start of the decade (February 1980) and was still unbeaten 10 years and 68 fights later.

That's a spot on summary of the 80's Chavez

An amazing fighter

Professor X · Post by **Professor X** » 16 Apr 2006, 19:56

[quote="bennie"][quote="sly2kusa"]Julio Ceasar Chavez didn't even become a name until the late 1980's (in his fight against Meldrick Taylor which still makes me sick to this day).

Sugar Ray was definitely the fighter of the 1980's and pound for pound best.[/quote]
Chavez beat Taylor in 1990. The Mexican great won the WBC super-featherweight title in '84 and made nine defences before stepping up to lightweight and doing a real number on Edwin Rosario at Madison Square Garden in 1987 to win the WBA lightweight title. He won a unification battle with Jose Luis Ramirez, then stepped up to light-welter in 1989 and stopped Roger Mayweather to win the WBC title. He won all 16 of his world title fights in the 80's.
He turned pro at the start of the decade (February 1980) and was still unbeaten 10 years and 68 fights later.[/quote

Yes. It's hard to believe (yet oddly typical of these message boards) that people denigrate JCC.

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 16 Apr 2006, 20:03

I just can't see Leonard as the best fighter of the 80's. Hagler's resume matches Leonard's and there's no * next to any of Hagler's fights. He fought them as they came, minus the bullshit. Pity we can't say the same for Ray

Had Aaron Pryor not almost killed himself with the drugs and mad lifestyle I reckon his name may just be at the top of the list

It's not easy to come up with one 'best fighter of a decade' as primes are much closer to half decades than full ones for most fighters

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 16 Apr 2006, 20:13

Get to know Pryors story better.....his stock goes down rapidly.

bollox · Post by **bollox** » 16 Apr 2006, 20:18

I'm aware of Pryor's story. It's all a bit sad

Les Darcy · Post by **Les Darcy** » 19 Apr 2006, 23:50

1- Leonard
2- Hagler
3- Pryor
4- Mike Spinks
5- Hearns
6- Nelson
7- Chavez
8- Benitez
9- Holyfield
10- Duran

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 20 Apr 2006, 01:54

How can people rate Leonard over Hagler? Hagler dominated and never ducked anyone. Total professional and one of the best. I just don't see the fascination with Leonard.

ShoeShine · Post by **ShoeShine** » 20 Apr 2006, 10:46

Decagon wrote:Pryor at #3, and no Sanchez, Holmes, Pedroza or Arguello?

How can Sanchez be on anyones list , he only fought from 80-82. I love Sanchez but I just dont think u can be anyones rankings for fighter of the decade if u only fought 2 yrs of that particular decade.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 20 Apr 2006, 12:38

Arsenal wrote:How can people rate Leonard over Hagler? Hagler dominated and never ducked anyone. Total professional and one of the best. I just don't see the fascination with Leonard.

Leonard is the darling of the 80's thats why. I rank Leonard #2 for his impressive comeback and his win against Hearns. Hagler in my opinion was the fighter of the decade.