Pacquiao expected to return April 14, fight Lomachenko in November

[Enlightened-One]

"Pacquiao expected to return April 14, fight Lomachenko in November"

“Lomachenko’s next fight will be at 135 lbs and he and Manny will meet at 140 (later in the year),” said Freddie Roach.

Thoughts?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Doubt it. It would be Loma's big fight.

Whatever happened to Pac vs. Crawford.

[Enlightened-One]

Doubt it. It would be Loma's big fight.

Whatever happened to Pac vs. Crawford.

Crawford-Indongo attracted an audience of 965K on ESPN, whilst an average of 1.845 million watched Lomachenko stop Rigondeaux on the same network, despite the Ukraine's bout being televised at the same time as both a UFC event and a HBO live boxing broadcast.

Therefore, I think there’s more money to be made by ESPN, Top Rank and Manny Pacquiao for the “passing of the torch” bout against Lomachenko than there would be if the Filipino legend faced Crawford.

It doesn’t sound as though Lomachenko’s father is really interested in this fight though, due to the weight, but his stance may simply be a negotiating tactic to compel Bob Arum to offer better financial terms.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Doubt it. It would be Loma's big fight.

Whatever happened to Pac vs. Crawford.

Crawford-Indongo attracted an audience of 965K on ESPN, whilst an average of 1.845 million watched Lomachenko stop Rigondeaux on the same network, despite the Ukraine's bout being televised at the same time as both a UFC event and a HBO live boxing broadcast.

It doesn’t sound as though Lomachenko’s father is really interested in this fight though, due to the weight, but his stance may simply be a negotiating tactic to compel Bob Arum to offer better financial terms.

I don;t think Loma is motivated by money. I also believe this would be a ESPN ppv..

[Enlightened-One]

Doubt it. It would be Loma's big fight.

Whatever happened to Pac vs. Crawford.

Crawford-Indongo attracted an audience of 965K on ESPN, whilst an average of 1.845 million watched Lomachenko stop Rigondeaux on the same network, despite the Ukraine's bout being televised at the same time as both a UFC event and a HBO live boxing broadcast.

It doesn’t sound as though Lomachenko’s father is really interested in this fight though, due to the weight, but his stance may simply be a negotiating tactic to compel Bob Arum to offer better financial terms.

I don;t think Loma is motivated by money. I also believe this would be a ESPN ppv.

I’ve never met Vasyl Lomachenko, so I can’t assume to pretend what motivates him personally, but I do know that he works with a team of people that help him to prepare and participate in bouts and they will be being paid to provide their services. So I suspect that most of them will be motivated by money, since most of them won't be millionaires and will have their own bills to pay.

If Pacquiao did face Lomachenko, then I agree, it would almost certainly be an ESPN PPV event.

[caldo2025]

I'm sure that scumbag Arum would like nothing more than to have his new cash machine embarrass and demolish his old one. I can definitely see Arum pushing the fight onto Manny. But hell, in terms of other options for Loma, this would be a very entertaining fight i think. Now that i think about it, this would be the only fight I'd take if i were Manny. Not many will favor him and it's the kind of test that i'd want to end my career where there's nothing to lose and everything to gain. Imagine retiring after upsetting everyone's #1 P4P wonder boy?? Manny has been fighting bigger guys for years and would definitely have the edge on punching power.

[SenorPipino]

Doubt it. It would be Loma's big fight.

Whatever happened to Pac vs. Crawford.

Crawford-Indongo attracted an audience of 965K on ESPN, whilst an average of 1.845 million watched Lomachenko stop Rigondeaux on the same network, despite the Ukraine's bout being televised at the same time as both a UFC event and a HBO live boxing broadcast.

Therefore, I think there’s more money to be made by ESPN, Top Rank and Manny Pacquiao for the “passing of the torch” bout against Lomachenko than there would be if the Filipino legend faced Crawford.

It doesn’t sound as though Lomachenko’s father is really interested in this fight though, due to the weight, but his stance may simply be a negotiating tactic to compel Bob Arum to offer better financial terms.

Rigondeaux was a much more celebrated opponent than Indongo was.

A big deal was made about Rigo's multiple gold medals, his lengthy reign as a professional champion and his P4P qualifications.

Even jumping 2 weight classes added to the intrigue.

Rigo has been around for a while and even casual fans were familiar with him.

While a champion, Indongo simply didn't have the background and familiarity that Rigo does.

Few, if any, casual fans knew his name or much about him. To most, he was simply someone to complete the pair with Crawford.

I think that if the opponents were reversed (on a P4P level) , Crawford's fight would have outdrawn Lomachenko's.

Overall, Lomachenko-Rigo was simply a marquis fight. Crawford-Indongo was not at the same level.

[SenorPipino]

Doubt it. It would be Loma's big fight.

Whatever happened to Pac vs. Crawford.

Crawford-Indongo attracted an audience of 965K on ESPN, whilst an average of 1.845 million watched Lomachenko stop Rigondeaux on the same network, despite the Ukraine's bout being televised at the same time as both a UFC event and a HBO live boxing broadcast.

It doesn’t sound as though Lomachenko’s father is really interested in this fight though, due to the weight, but his stance may simply be a negotiating tactic to compel Bob Arum to offer better financial terms.

I don;t think Loma is motivated by money. I also believe this would be a ESPN ppv..

A professional fighter not motivated by money?

Say what?

If money was irrelevant to Lomachenko, he would still be training in the Ukraine for a shot at a 2020 Olympic medal.

He would expect---no, demand---to be well compensated for a Pacquiao fight.

[gilgamesh]

I assume Pac is fighting Alvarado on April 14?

If he picks someone any more dangerous than that there might not be any guarantee that he gets to Loma in November.

[SenorPipino]

I thought Lomachenko was practically set for a Linares fight.

I thought Pacquiao was almost set for the winner of Crawford-Horn.

I suspect several of these proposed bouts will never happen.

Just a lot of talk to keep everyone's name in the news.

[Cent0089]

So, 14th april is here in 2 months. I am wondering how can Bob arum bring some serious oponenth to the date. What do you think ?

[gilgamesh]

So, 14th april is here in 2 months. I am wondering how can Bob arum bring some serious oponenth to the date. What do you think ?

They've already said Mike Alvarado right? So it's not gonna be a particularly serious opponent.

[Cent0089]

Crawford-Indongo attracted an audience of 965K on ESPN, whilst an average of 1.845 million watched Lomachenko stop Rigondeaux on the same network, despite the Ukraine's bout being televised at the same time as both a UFC event and a HBO live boxing broadcast.

It doesn’t sound as though Lomachenko’s father is really interested in this fight though, due to the weight, but his stance may simply be a negotiating tactic to compel Bob Arum to offer better financial terms.

I don;t think Loma is motivated by money. I also believe this would be a ESPN ppv..

A professional fighter not motivated by money?

Say what?

If money was irrelevant to Lomachenko, he would still be training in the Ukraine for a shot at a 2020 Olympic medal.

He would expect---no, demand---to be well compensated for a Pacquiao fight.

He does not have third arm for tatoo

[Cent0089]

So, 14th april is here in 2 months. I am wondering how can Bob arum bring some serious oponenth to the date. What do you think ?

They've already said Mike Alvarado right? So it's not gonna be a particularly serious opponent.

Ah man, i meant for Lomachenko

Edit: my fault, misread the topis, i was thinking, ?Oma is going to fight 14th april, sorry

[ValMar]

Pacquiao should fight Spence, or retire.

[jamamb]

id like loma-pac

[jamesmcdonnell]

I'd watch it, I think at this stage at 140, Lomachenko wins. Pacquaio doesn't have much spite in his work any more and I think that he won't have the advantage in footwork, which is the main thing he has left now. However,. there's definitely some intangibles here. Think it may well be a stinker though.

[Badhusker]

I don't think Pac has faded as much as some say. He will give Loma a he'll of a fight I think. He will be the bigger and stronger guy, and still has speed and awkwardness.

Of course Roach wants him to fight Loma instead of Crawford, so Loma it will be.

[SenorPipino]

I don't think Pac has faded as much as some say. He will give Loma a he'll of a fight I think. He will be the bigger and stronger guy, and still has speed and awkwardness.

Of course Roach wants him to fight Loma instead of Crawford, so Loma it will be.

I agree.

He's hardly the Pac of yore but he can still beat most welters. Just not the guys at the absolute top.

Get him motivated against the right opponent , and I don't think that Manny is anybody's pushover.

But as I always maintain, a drop down to 140 after fighting as a welterweight for nearly a decade, is a mistake.

He'll be weak and drained and Lomachenko would have his way.

[Lackeos]

There is a shocking amount of negativity in this thread. Although, this is boxrec, and you are all cretins, so it is not that shocking.

I am really motivated to see Pacquiao - Lomachenko. I consider the match-up to be relatively balanced from a boxing perspective, given that Lomachenko is basically jumping 3 weight classes in less than a year, and there being no good evidence that Pacquiao has significantly declined. I feel like people put too much stock into the Horn robbery, as though Pacquiao legitimately lost to him or something. If Pacquiao had gotten the decision he deserved, even if the events of the fight weren't any different, people wouldn't be slagging him off as much. This is also a very fine match-up from a business perspective -- probably the most lucrative match-up that Lomachenko could land by a mile, and one of the best risk/reward match-ups that Pacquiao can land (money included). It's not as though Pacquiao could get a better risk-reward proposition by fighting Spence, Thurman, or Crawford; they are all more dangerous at welterweight and probably would draw less of a crowd to boot. Also, I can't stand seeing Lomachenko get praised too much for doing too little; and that is never going to change until Lomachenko takes a substantial risk against someone like Pacquiao or Garcia.

Also, I don't think Pacquiao needs to retire. From the perspective of how much punishment he has taken, he is probably overdue. But he still has the abilities of a world class fighter, and he can still pull $10 million+ paychecks, so retiring now is hardly a necessity. There is a lot of philanthropic good that can be done with an extra $10 - 40 million.

[Enlightened-One]

Lomachenko is basically jumping 3 weight classes in less than a year...

What you’ve stated may be “technically” correct, assuming Lomachenko does indeed face Pacquiao before the end of 2018, but the Ukraine has pretty much maintained the same ring weight for the last seven years, regardless the “official” fighting weight.

So he was fighting smaller guys when he fought at 126lbs (i.e. Lomachenko's ring weight for the Russell bout was 138lbs and the Ukraine previously campaigned at 132lbs since 2010 during his amateur days).

Lomachenko usually enters the ring weighing around the 140lbs mark and Manny Pacquiao rarely rehydrates above 150lbs (i.e. the Filipino legend only weighed 148lbs for his light middleweight contest against Antonio Margarito and was 149lbs against Algieri).

Therefore, I’m very confident that size would be far less of an issue for a potential fight between Lomachenko and Pacquiao at 140lbs than what we witnessed when the Ukraine forced the much smaller Rigondeaux to quit (for a bout that had a 138lbs rehydration limit), especially considering the fact that Vasyl possesses the youth, height and skill advantages over the Filipino.

It’s not as if Pacquiao can be considered a devastating puncher either, since it’s been more than eight years since he last scored a KO, with his most recent stoppage due to attrition rather than one-punch power.

Therefore, I’m not sure if I truly understand the reason why Lomachenko’s father is reluctant to allow his son to face Pacquiao at 140lbs, unless his stance is simply a negotiating tactic to compel Bob Arum to improve the financial terms of his offer.

[Lackeos]

We're talking about Lomachenko going from fighting a super bantamweight defensive fighter to fighting a welterweight offensive fighter. There's pretty much going to be about 10 times as much offense coming at him. Pacquiao and Lomachenko might be similar height and weight, but Lomachenko has only been successful fighting 121 to 130-pound midgets; whereas Pacquiao has only been struggling to knockout dudes who weigh like 20 pounds more than Lomachenko on fight night and often have several inches of height and reach on Lomachenko.

[Tony1244]

I think Loma will do to Pac what Pac did to ODLH> Passing the torch.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I think Loma will do to Pac what Pac did to ODLH> Passing the torch.

I think that is possible.

[SenorPipino]

I think Loma will do to Pac what Pac did to ODLH> Passing the torch.

I think that is possible.

Only if Pac is dead at the weight, which is a possibility.

Otherwise I don't see Lomachenko battering Pacquiao in the manner that the Filipino did with ODLH.

Once Pac was confident that he was able to handle whatever Oscar had left that night, he was the typical buzzsaw fighter that he had always been.

He simple overwhelmed the shell of De La Hoya.

Lomachenko is always a much more stylistic, almost cautious fighter who really doesn't display the power to trouble Pacquiao.

I don't believe Lomachenko ever really hurt the older, much smaller Rigo. He simply discouraged him.

Bigger, younger and stronger but he hesitated to truly open up and take it to Rigo.

Does it stand to reason that Lomachenko could hurt the bigger Pacquiao?

Lomachenko could outbox and frustrate Pacquiao. Pacquiao has always appeared vulnerable to fine boxers.

It might be a rather dull, uneventful night.

But I can in no way see him destroying Pacquiao the way Pacquiao destroyed Oscar.

Lomachenko is simply not that kind of fighter.