Roy Jones: Mayweather is TBE? Never Came Close To What I Did!

[caldo2025]

I think that RJJR makes an incredible point here. He’s absolutely right that there isn’t a boxer alive or dead that could come close to his highlight film. It’s a new way of looking at a version of P4P comparisons. No one could do it as fantastically as he did for a period of time in his career.

Don t want to compare but Loma is pretty entertaining so far.

I'll reluctantly agree that there's a similarity in terms of uniqueness but Roy was knocking people out with bolo punches...wind mill punches while blowing kisses to the crowd with his hands down. Loma's doing all that but not capping it off with the power that Roy did. Loma does it differently via accumulation of blows. Roy's was more spectacular because of the concussive power in both hands.

[Evander]

Floyd has narrowed the gap in many ways and he's a very big deal, but we are comparing his boxing skills to Roy Jones Jr right.
I'll say this, you have to be very careful of older boxing fans like me and people prior as they hold onto things, newer boxing fans are more familiar and up to speed.
But I like to think I've stayed pretty current.
Here's a good example of older boxing fans before me who were extremely knowledgeable yet disagreed with me on what I thought was an easy fight to score.

Leonard v Hagler
The elite boxing fans before me almost entirely believed Hagler beat Leonard, I saw the decision on the cards as lopsided for Ray.

Onto Roy Jones Jr and Floyd Mayweather.
Me ... I'm convinced Roy Jones Jr was a better boxer than Floyd Mayweather for so many reasons.
That said it doesn't take away from Floyd's skills, the fact that I'm willing to compare them to that of Roy's makes them justifiably a talking point.

I don't agree, I think a lot of people thought Ray won it quite clearly. People who actually score fights rather than going with their emotions anyway.

I'm an older fan, and I thought Ray clearly won the fight.

As for Floyd or Roy, I think they were both the standout fighter of their generation, different skill sets, and Roy carried power up the weights much better. Both were dominant, Floyd only really ever came close to defeat twice, and Jones in his prime, only lost due to DQ. He went on too long, but for me, that doesn't tain his legacy, as his prime was superlative in every way.

I'll agree to disagree as I've spoken with many older fans who thought Hagler won that fight.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Floyd has narrowed the gap in many ways and he's a very big deal, but we are comparing his boxing skills to Roy Jones Jr right.
I'll say this, you have to be very careful of older boxing fans like me and people prior as they hold onto things, newer boxing fans are more familiar and up to speed.
But I like to think I've stayed pretty current.
Here's a good example of older boxing fans before me who were extremely knowledgeable yet disagreed with me on what I thought was an easy fight to score.

Leonard v Hagler
The elite boxing fans before me almost entirely believed Hagler beat Leonard, I saw the decision on the cards as lopsided for Ray.

Onto Roy Jones Jr and Floyd Mayweather.
Me ... I'm convinced Roy Jones Jr was a better boxer than Floyd Mayweather for so many reasons.
That said it doesn't take away from Floyd's skills, the fact that I'm willing to compare them to that of Roy's makes them justifiably a talking point.

I don't agree, I think a lot of people thought Ray won it quite clearly. People who actually score fights rather than going with their emotions anyway.

I'm an older fan, and I thought Ray clearly won the fight.

As for Floyd or Roy, I think they were both the standout fighter of their generation, different skill sets, and Roy carried power up the weights much better. Both were dominant, Floyd only really ever came close to defeat twice, and Jones in his prime, only lost due to DQ. He went on too long, but for me, that doesn't tain his legacy, as his prime was superlative in every way.

I'll agree to disagree as I've spoken with many older fans who thought Hagler won that fight.

I'm not saying the majority thought Leonard won, I am just contending that it's not the whitewash you claim for Hagler winning amongst people of my generation. Probably some even older fans, marked Leonard down for not going to war, but that's not how fights are scored.

[jamamb]

ray won it for me. think it hurts some ppl that the golden boy beat the grizzled hardman

[BitPlayer]

Blah blah blah

You can put on muscle and recover better with PEDs they Don't give you superhuman reflexes.

[Enlightened-One]

You can put on muscle and recover better with Less, they Don't give you superhuman reflexes.

Roy Jones Jr. tested positive for banned substances and escaped punishment from the IBF. They are taken to enhance performance levels. And during Roy's era, it was extremely rare for professional fighters to undergo drug testing, so we don't know how often he consumed PED's or the other types of banned drugs he had taken during that time-frame.

You need to remember that Roy participated in the 1988 Olympics, with the IOC openly admitting that more than 50% of the athletes involved in those games had used performance-enhancing drugs, so Jones Jr. would have had easy access to PED's during his prime years and he would have also got away with taking them.

Therefore, no one knows the true extent as to how PED’s assisted Roy’s remarkable in-ring performances, so this is not an historical fact that should be conveniently swept under the carpet and ignored either, since it affects Jones Jr’s legacy.

[Evander]

I don't agree, I think a lot of people thought Ray won it quite clearly. People who actually score fights rather than going with their emotions anyway.

I'm an older fan, and I thought Ray clearly won the fight.

As for Floyd or Roy, I think they were both the standout fighter of their generation, different skill sets, and Roy carried power up the weights much better. Both were dominant, Floyd only really ever came close to defeat twice, and Jones in his prime, only lost due to DQ. He went on too long, but for me, that doesn't tain his legacy, as his prime was superlative in every way.

I'll agree to disagree as I've spoken with many older fans who thought Hagler won that fight.

I'm not saying the majority thought Leonard won, I am just contending that it's not the whitewash you claim for Hagler winning amongst people of my generation. Probably some even older fans, marked Leonard down for not going to war, but that's not how fights are scored.

You're right with the whitewash comment I may have gone a bit far.
That said given their opinions I think the post fight reaction was favorable to Hagler from more people than I expected ... that's how I remember it.
I don't know how else to explain it ... I heard what I heard.

[Evander]

You can put on muscle and recover better with Less, they Don't give you superhuman reflexes.

Roy Jones Jr. tested positive for banned substances and escaped punishment from the IBF. They are taken to enhance performance levels. And during Roy's era, it was extremely rare for professional fighters to undergo drug testing, so we don't know how often he consumed PED's or the other types of banned drugs he had taken during that time-frame.

You need to remember that Roy participated in the 1988 Olympics, with the IOC openly admitting that more than 50% of the athletes involved in those games had used performance-enhancing drugs, so Jones Jr. would have had easy access to PED's during his prime years and he would have also got away with taking them.

Therefore, no one knows the true extent as to how PED’s assisted Roy’s remarkable in-ring performances, so this is not an historical fact that should be conveniently swept under the carpet and ignored either, since it affects Jones Jr’s legacy.

Remember in 96 when Jones fought Merqui Sosa in NYC.
Maybe it's me but didn't Roy Jones complain about the weather up there and how it affected him.
Roy is from Florida.
I heard all of the rumors back in the day ... Roy claimed it was an over the counter medication.
Do I believe him ... yes I do.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I'll agree to disagree as I've spoken with many older fans who thought Hagler won that fight.

I'm not saying the majority thought Leonard won, I am just contending that it's not the whitewash you claim for Hagler winning amongst people of my generation. Probably some even older fans, marked Leonard down for not going to war, but that's not how fights are scored.

You're right with the whitewash comment I may have gone a bit far.
That said given their opinions I think the post fight reaction was favorable to Hagler from more people than I expected ... that's how I remember it.
I don't know how else to explain it ... I heard what I heard.

Fair enough; by and large I agree - I absolutely hated Leonard, Hagler was my idol, at the time I didn't know how to score fights, and I considered it a terrible affront to Haglers dignity that he had his title 'stolen' by Leonard, However when I got a bit older and watched the replays I thought it was a clear victory for Leonard. Hagler simply didn't do enough, he spent the first few rounds trying to prove he could outbox Leonard, and was outhustled for much of the rest of the fight. Leonard always seemed in control too.

It's a masterful performance by Leonard, people talk about Hagler being over the hill, but Ray was moving up, had been retired for almost 3 years (from memory), and Hagler was widely regarded as an ATG.

[PanchoVilla]

I think that RJJR makes an incredible point here. He’s absolutely right that there isn’t a boxer alive or dead that could come close to his highlight film. It’s a new way of looking at a version of P4P comparisons. No one could do it as fantastically as he did for a period of time in his career.

Don t want to compare but Loma is pretty entertaining so far.

I'll reluctantly agree that there's a similarity in terms of uniqueness but Roy was knocking people out with bolo punches...wind mill punches while blowing kisses to the crowd with his hands down. Loma's doing all that but not capping it off with the power that Roy did. Loma does it differently via accumulation of blows. Roy's was more spectacular because of the concussive power in both hands.

Spot on. Roy could stop people with either hand with a variety of different punches. The most athletic boxer I've ever seen.