Roberto Duran, what would?

[NYDominican]

Roberto Duran had a long professional boxing career.


1. What would you say were Roberto's top 5 performances in the ring?

Why?



2. What would you say were Duran's 5 worst performances in the ring?


Why?




Please explain.

[gilgamesh]

Your posts always require a lot of thought before someone can answer

Leonard 1 is certainly his single best performance, to round out the Top 5 would be a little trickier.

[elmersalsa]

The great Roberto Duran 5 greatest performances:
W15 Sugar Ray Leonard I
WTKO12 Esteban De Jesus III
W10 Carlos Palomino
WTKO13 Ken Buchanan
WTKO8 Davey Moore

His all time 5 worst outings:
L15 Wilfred Benitez
LTKO2 Thomas Hearns
L10 Kirkland Laing
LTKO 8 Sugar Ray Leonard (II)
W10 Jimmy Batten

He had more great performances, especially at lightweight. His gutsiest performance is when at age 37, took the Middleweight Title from Iran Barkley. Barkley gave him a left hook to the chin in round 8, I believe, and Duran spun around 360 degrees. He was hurt, but somehow recovered. But man, what a shot! Another fight of his where he had to dig deep was the Hector Thompson fight. Duran was spent and Thompson almost knocked him out.

Other great performances:
WKO11 Esteban De Jesus (II)
WTKO10 Ernesto Marcel
WKO7 Hiroshi Kobayashi
L15 Marvelous Marvin Hagler
L10 Robbie Sims
WTKO4 Pipino Cuevas

[elmersalsa]

Best performances.

Leonard 1
Buchanan
De Jesus 2
Moore
Barkley
Honourable mention for the losing performance against Marvin.

Worst performances.

Laing
Leonard 2
Hearns
De Jesus 1

I give him a pass for his other defeats because he was both over his best weight class, and somewhat over the hill.

You are missing the Wilfred Benitez fight. He looked terrible.

[elmersalsa]

Best performances.

Leonard 1
Buchanan
De Jesus 2
Moore
Barkley
Honourable mention for the losing performance against Marvin.

Worst performances.

Laing
Leonard 2
Hearns
De Jesus 1

I give him a pass for his other defeats because he was both over his best weight class, and somewhat over the hill.

You are missing the Wilfred Benitez fight. He looked terrible.

In early 1982 El Radar still had enough skills to make a lot of fighters look " terrible " as you put it.

Duran looked TOTALLY FLAT!

[Ambling Alp II]

That's because he was up against a guy who showed a lot of movement. Look how bad he looked in the first Viruet fight.

[elmersalsa]

That's because he was up against a guy who showed a lot of movement. Look how bad he looked in the first Viruet fight.

Correct.

Roberto never liked " movers. " unless he could chase them down and over power them like he did against Buchanan.

But, Benitez was right there on the ropes, and The Hands of Stone could not do what he wanted to in that fight. He lost most of the rounds. The fight was clearly one-sided.

[Ambling Alp II]

Benitez did not move a lot as much as Leonard and Viruet did. A lot of of it was head movement and subtle footwork. Duran could not deal with it.

[elmersalsa]

Benitez did not move a lot as much as Leonard and Viruet did. A lot of of it was head movement and subtle footwork. Duran could not deal with it.

Yes, he looked flat. I wish that this fight should have been at least at a Welterweight limit. It didn't. It was a great win for the great Wilfred Benitez. The 154lbs weight class suited him better than Duran's.

[Ambling Alp II]

He didn't look flat. He just was unable to deal with someone who could fight that style at that high of a level. 154 was more a natural weight class than 147 for Duran by then. Had they fought at 147, then the crybaby excuse would have been that Duran was weight drained.

[elmersalsa]

He didn't look flat. He just was unable to deal with someone who could fight that style at that high of a level. 154 was more a natural weight class than 147 for Duran by then. Had they fought at 147, then the crybaby excuse would have been that Duran was weight drained.

Yeah, right. Just like the prime excuse of "Leonard not fighting his fight" when he got WHUPPED by Duran, right?

[Ambling Alp II]

That's not an excuse for Leonard. That is a criticism of Leonard. He fought hard and showed a lot of heart which helped make it a very competitive fight. However, it was not a smart fight that would have enabled him to win. It was his own fault and hurt his all time standing.

[elmersalsa]

That's not an excuse for Leonard. That is a criticism of Leonard. He fought hard and showed a lot of heart which helped make it a very competitive fight. However, it was not a smart fight that would have enabled him to win. It was his own fault and hurt his all time standing.

That's an excuse right there. Not fighting a smart fight? He fought his fight. He just got WHUPPED! And that's all to it. Duran whupped his ass!

[Ambling Alp II]

No it's not. Are you really that dense?

[elmersalsa]

No it's not. Are you really that dense?

You are the one dense! Leonard got whupped and that's final.

[Ambling Alp II]

"Whupped" by a whopping three points on your own scorecard.
It would benefit you if you looked up words like whupped, criticize, and excuse so that you would actually know what they mean.

[elmersalsa]

"Whupped" by a whopping three points on your own scorecard.
It would benefit you if you looked up words like whupped, criticize, and excuse so that you would actually know what they mean.

I know what they mean. The eyesight seen something else. He got whupped. By a lightweight.

[Ambling Alp II]

Make sure that you don't miss your Mensa meeting tonight.

[Cojimar 1946]

I think there may be a tendency by American fans to overrate American fighters. There are guys like Alexis Arguello and Salvador Sanchez that seem underrated today. I don't know why Sanchez isn't rated ahead of Leonard for example, he is amazing.

[Kalan]

Best performance -- De Jesus 3

Worst performance... Benitez.

[elmersalsa]

Make sure that you don't miss your Mensa meeting tonight.

Now you want to get funny? Anybody could be funny or be bad behind the PC keyboard.

By the way, stay on the subject, don't go to the left nor to the right.

And whatever that Mensa meeting you are talking about I got more things to do than going to a meeting. Stay on the subject, boy!

[elmersalsa]

"Whupped" by a whopping three points on your own scorecard.
It would benefit you if you looked up words like whupped, criticize, and excuse so that you would actually know what they mean.

I know what they mean. The eyesight seen something else. He got whupped. By a lightweight.

Don't waste your time. Leonard fanboys would rather eat their own legs than give Duran credit for giving their hero a beating. Just remember it was soppy Leonard and his idiot trainer that said he had stopped 8 of his last 10 opponents, compared to Roberto's 5. That he ( Leonard ) was the bigger, stronger, harder punching guy, and he would BEAT Duran at his own game.

The reason I tell you to remember that sh,it, is because his fanboys would like you and everyone else to forget it.

Oh and as for the scorecards, these fools will also tell you that Leonard deserved the draw in the 2nd Hearns fight, when the rest of the world knows it was just crooked judging, plain and simple. If Tommy had KO'd Leonard, he would more than likely have been DQ'd in that fight.

The great Thomas Hearns whupped Sugar Ray in the rematch and it was a draw? A draw my ass! Tommy WHUPPED his ass! Plain and simple.

In the Duran fight in Montreal the Sugar Ray's fans want to claim:
1. That it was a close fight
2. That he fought the wrong fight
3. That he slugged out with the Hands of Stone

None of the 3 top statements we're true. That was American media fabrication. Duran whupped that ass and that was all to it.

[SenorPipino]

I know what they mean. The eyesight seen something else. He got whupped. By a lightweight.

Don't waste your time. Leonard fanboys would rather eat their own legs than give Duran credit for giving their hero a beating. Just remember it was soppy Leonard and his idiot trainer that said he had stopped 8 of his last 10 opponents, compared to Roberto's 5. That he ( Leonard ) was the bigger, stronger, harder punching guy, and he would BEAT Duran at his own game.

The reason I tell you to remember that sh,it, is because his fanboys would like you and everyone else to forget it.

Oh and as for the scorecards, these fools will also tell you that Leonard deserved the draw in the 2nd Hearns fight, when the rest of the world knows it was just crooked judging, plain and simple. If Tommy had KO'd Leonard, he would more than likely have been DQ'd in that fight.

The great Thomas Hearns whupped Sugar Ray in the rematch and it was a draw? A draw my ass! Tommy WHUPPED his ass! Plain and simple.

In the Duran fight in Montreal the Sugar Ray's fans want to claim:
1. That it was a close fight
2. That he fought the wrong fight
3. That he slugged out with the Hands of Stone

None of the 3 top statements we're true. That was American media fabrication. Duran whupped that ass and that was all to it.

Yeah, it was close. I had it for Duran but only by a few points.

And yeah again. Leonard fought the wrong fight. I think the world knows that if they're not weighed down in bias.

You don't slug with a slugger, even a refined slugger.

Leonard fought Duran the proper and victorious way in bouts 2 and 3. The results of those 2 bouts are history.

Duran was always less than overwhelming against decent boxers. Against a talent like Leonard, he was impotent.

And yeah again, Leonard did slug it out, toe to toe with Duran in Montreal. I know it's been almost 38 years, but how you can't recall that is a mystery.

Maybe you should watch the tape again for a refresher.

[Ambling Alp II]

I agree- just watch it. Again and again you will see Leonard move right towards Duran. He used very little lateral movement with his feet, nor did he have a lot of head movement. It's all right there for anyone to see.

And it was stupid. Going right at most opponents would have worked. However it was not enough to beat Duran. Leonard fought hard, but he did not fight smart. Leonard only has himself to blame for fighting that way. Boxing is not just about ability; it is about using tactics and strategies that you give you the best chance to win.

As far as how close the fight was - elmer himself scored the fight for Duran by three points. Three points is a close fight. How he can keep saying it was not is mind boggling. Basic math and basic logic tells you it was.

[elmersalsa]

Don't waste your time. Leonard fanboys would rather eat their own legs than give Duran credit for giving their hero a beating. Just remember it was soppy Leonard and his idiot trainer that said he had stopped 8 of his last 10 opponents, compared to Roberto's 5. That he ( Leonard ) was the bigger, stronger, harder punching guy, and he would BEAT Duran at his own game.

The reason I tell you to remember that sh,it, is because his fanboys would like you and everyone else to forget it.

Oh and as for the scorecards, these fools will also tell you that Leonard deserved the draw in the 2nd Hearns fight, when the rest of the world knows it was just crooked judging, plain and simple. If Tommy had KO'd Leonard, he would more than likely have been DQ'd in that fight.

The great Thomas Hearns whupped Sugar Ray in the rematch and it was a draw? A draw my ass! Tommy WHUPPED his ass! Plain and simple.

In the Duran fight in Montreal the Sugar Ray's fans want to claim:
1. That it was a close fight
2. That he fought the wrong fight
3. That he slugged out with the Hands of Stone

None of the 3 top statements we're true. That was American media fabrication. Duran whupped that ass and that was all to it.

Yeah, it was close. I had it for Duran but only by a few points.

And yeah again. Leonard fought the wrong fight. I think the world knows that if they're not weighed down in bias.

You don't slug with a slugger, even a refined slugger.

Leonard fought Duran the proper and victorious way in bouts 2 and 3. The results of those 2 bouts are history.

Duran was always less than overwhelming against decent boxers. Against a talent like Leonard, he was impotent.

And yeah again, Leonard did slug it out, toe to toe with Duran in Montreal. I know it's been almost 38 years, but how you can't recall that is a mystery.

Maybe you should watch the tape again for a refresher.

That Leonard fought "the wrong fight" is bunch of HOGWASH AND BALONEY. He always fought that way. He just GOT WHUPPED period.

That "he slugged it out" with Duran is another fabrication and biased point. You want to know what is slugging it out? De Jesus vs Duran II. That's slugging it out. Duran vs Palomino. That's slugging it out. Duran vs Davey Moore. That's slugging it out. Duran vs Ray Lampkin and Hector Thompson. Not that CLUTCHING AND GRABBING that Leonard did for survival. Leonard would have gotten koncked the fuuuck out if he really went to slug it out. That wasn't slugging to me, but an act of survival.

Those 2nd and 3rd fights didn't matter. Everybody knows what happened. Leonard CAUGHT DURAN IN AN OFF NIGHT. That's what happened in No Mas. Not that he was the better boxer. Duran!, The best!