who will Wilder fight on 3/3?

[Badhusker]

I was one that called Rigo a coward, and stand by it 100%. What he did was pathetic, and a horrible thing for boxing. He is not the only one that has done this, but one that sticks in my mind recently. In the old days, they would just keep their paycheck. If that makes me a bad person or bad fan or whatever, so be it.

[SenorPipino]

I'm not criticizing you.

I'm pointing out that there are some here that believe you should be banned, castrated and decapitated if you call a boxer a bum, coward, tomato can, et al.

But criticism is the name of the game here, so I wonder how far you can go? What words are acceptable criticism and what desparaging descriptions overstep boundaries?

[Heretic]

I was one that called Rigo a coward, and stand by it 100%. What he did was pathetic, and a horrible thing for boxing. He is not the only one that has done this, but one that sticks in my mind recently. In the old days, they would just keep their paycheck. If that makes me a bad person or bad fan or whatever, so be it.

I think that if boxer knows he can't win it is a good idea to quit.

I know the casual fans want to see the blood and the inevitable KTFO of the over matched opponent.

True fans want to see the good boxers stay good and fight another day. Last thing we need is another brain bleed from taking unnecessary punishment. Boxing is after all just a sport and not the gladiator games.

[lazboy]

I was one that called Rigo a coward, and stand by it 100%. What he did was pathetic, and a horrible thing for boxing. He is not the only one that has done this, but one that sticks in my mind recently. In the old days, they would just keep their paycheck. If that makes me a bad person or bad fan or whatever, so be it.

I think that if boxer knows he can't win it is a good idea to quit.

I know the casual fans want to see the blood and the inevitable KTFO of the over matched opponent.

True fans want to see the good boxers stay good and fight another day. Last thing we need is another brain bleed from taking unnecessary punishment. Boxing is after all just a sport and not the gladiator games.

How can you say that? Let’s all just not try anymore if something gets hard??
No one wants to see Rigo after what he did. He did not show the heart of a fighter. I’m all for quitting if it’s a Kell Brook injury type situation and even using the term quitting in that situation I find harsh. The Rigo situation was not comparable. I wouldn’t blame anyone for calling his act cowardly. Having said that I don’t think he is a coward however, from my perspective and with the post fight interview etc...it was a cowardly act. He’s more boxer than fighter.

[SenorPipino]

You can also argue that many fighters, although not all, are well compensated and are fully aware of the dangers in their chosen profession.

Therefore, aren't they obliged to fight on through potential serious injury, pain and all adversity?

If Rigo is being paid about $500,000 for around a half hours work, should he be obliged to suck it up and fight on even if the situation seems bleak?

Fighters often say in prefight talk that they'll "have to be carried out of the ring" before they allow themselves to lose.

But how many follow up on this promise? Shouldn't every boxer be held to the highest standard of valor simply because they know the risks of boxing?

[siablo14]

You can also argue that many fighters, although not all, are well compensated and are fully aware of the dangers in their chosen profession.

Therefore, aren't they obliged to fight on through potential serious injury, pain and all adversity?

If Rigo is being paid about $500,000 for around a half hours work, should he be obliged to suck it up and fight on even if the situation seems bleak?

Fighters often say in prefight talk that they'll "have to be carried out of the ring" before they allow themselves to lose.

But how many follow up on this promise? Shouldn't every boxer be held to the highest standard of valor simply because they know the risks of boxing?

It's months of training and sparring, too, and members of that training team will be paid out of that $500,000, right?

[SenorPipino]

I suppose so.

But my point is that A) high level fighters are compensated astronomically well for their job, even if you include the training hours, the handouts to managers/trainers/sparring partners along with taxes. All that goes with the territory.

And B) they're aware that they're in a dangerous occupation and have an obligation to promoters and the paying public to give the best effort possible.

Pain alone is not a valid reason to quit. As Ray Robinson once pointed out "Boxing is a hurting sport."

[asdfjkl]

So as predicted, it's more and more likely that Charles Martin will be the guy Wilder is going to fight, another easy victory for Wilder, especially after all the bullets he received in his body after the AJ fight and Ortiz will once again be blamed wrongfully by the Americans. Very silly, but knowing Wilder and his team, it was predicteble.

[Tony1244]

So as predicted, it's more and more likely that Charles Martin will be the guy Wilder is going to fight, another easy victory for Wilder, especially after all the bullets he received in his body after the AJ fight and Ortiz will once again be blamed wrongfully by the Americans. Very silly, but knowing Wilder and his team, it was predicteble.

This is based on what?

[asdfjkl]

So as predicted, it's more and more likely that Charles Martin will be the guy Wilder is going to fight, another easy victory for Wilder, especially after all the bullets he received in his body after the AJ fight and Ortiz will once again be blamed wrongfully by the Americans. Very silly, but knowing Wilder and his team, it was predicteble.

This is based on what?

Ortiz already got tested 7 times in de past 40 days, it's completely ridiculous and it's expected the Americans will make another "mistake" like they usually do to avoid the fight. It's still funny to read many of the comments here.

[SenorPipino]

Does anyone know what our buddy asdjfkl is rambling about this time?

He's going on about his "predictions," "Charles Martin," "7 times testing," "blame wrongfully," "Americans making mistakes," "all predictable."

Say what?

All that but no mention of Shannon Briggs. Go figure.

[armageto]

Does anyone know what our buddy asdjfkl is rambling about this time?

He's going on about his "predictions," "Charles Martin," "7 times testing," "blame wrongfully," "Americans making mistakes," "all predictable."

Say what?

All that but no mention of Shannon Briggs. Go figure.

Nobody loves him in life and he needs to die. Sadly I have to see his posts when people quote him. The guy is a moron and a waste of existence to the world.

[asdfjkl]

Does anyone know what our buddy asdjfkl is rambling about this time?

He's going on about his "predictions," "Charles Martin," "7 times testing," "blame wrongfully," "Americans making mistakes," "all predictable."

Say what?

All that but no mention of Shannon Briggs. Go figure.

Nobody loves him in life and he needs to die. Sadly I have to see his posts when people quote him. The guy is a moron and a waste of existence to the world.

Hahaha, silly kid, if there's someone out there who loves you, it got to be your mum.

Either way;
https://www.BS.com/luis-ortiz- ... ac--125479
Once again Wilder shows signs of knowing that they will screw Ortiz falsely all over again, they just do it at the very last moment and then cry a river about how everybody is against him and actorbullshit like that and how he got forced to fight a bum anyway.

[armageto]

No point on quoting me, you epic moron. You're on my banned list. Thankfully I don't have to read most of your spam.

[asdfjkl]

What are you doing here in the first place at all? Acting like you think Stiverne and Arreola are better as Whyte again? Please stop reading my posts, they are too complicated for you anyway.

[nmhz]

Once again Wilder shows signs of knowing that they will screw Ortiz falsely all over again

I no way was anything like this suggested by anyone in the link you provided

[asdfjkl]

Once again Wilder shows signs of knowing that they will screw Ortiz falsely all over again

I no way was anything like this suggested by anyone in the link you provided

The only thing they talk about is doping and cheating, why didn't he do that with Stiverne? Who failed a doping test, payed the WBC a bit of money and had the WBC their permission to fight anyway? Why didn't Wilder have problems with that? Especially after Stiverne missed another doping test after that? How comes? Oh yea, because Stiverne is a massive bum ofcourse who could very well die in a real boxing match against a real heavyweight champion.

[Badhusker]

Once again Wilder shows signs of knowing that they will screw Ortiz falsely all over again

I no way was anything like this suggested by anyone in the link you provided

The only thing they talk about is doping and cheating, why didn't he do that with Stiverne? Who failed a doping test, payed the WBC a bit of money and had the WBC their permission to fight anyway? Why didn't Wilder have problems with that? Especially after Stiverne missed another doping test after that? How comes? Oh yea, because Stiverne is a massive bum ofcourse who could very well die in a real boxing match against a real heavyweight champion.

From an article from badlefthook https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/11/15/ ... n-still-on

"Throughout the investigative process, Stiverne has been extremely cooperative and 100 percent forthcoming," the WBC said. "Stiverne informed the WBC that on the day of the test, in order to facilitate urination, he took a dietary supplement called Superharm in front of the sample collector. He reported the ingestion of that supplement in the declaration of medication use section of the doping control form he filled in connection with the test.”

"there is no evidence that Stiverne intentionally or even knowingly ingested a banned substance with the purpose of enhancing his performance in any fashion. Stiverne's ingestion of DMAA was purely accidental."

Now, I doubt if you can understand because you cannot apparently read, but it is worth a shot.

[asdfjkl]

I no way was anything like this suggested by anyone in the link you provided

The only thing they talk about is doping and cheating, why didn't he do that with Stiverne? Who failed a doping test, payed the WBC a bit of money and had the WBC their permission to fight anyway? Why didn't Wilder have problems with that? Especially after Stiverne missed another doping test after that? How comes? Oh yea, because Stiverne is a massive bum ofcourse who could very well die in a real boxing match against a real heavyweight champion.

From an article from badlefthook https://www.badlefthook.com/2016/11/15/ ... n-still-on

"Throughout the investigative process, Stiverne has been extremely cooperative and 100 percent forthcoming," the WBC said. "Stiverne informed the WBC that on the day of the test, in order to facilitate urination, he took a dietary supplement called Superharm in front of the sample collector. He reported the ingestion of that supplement in the declaration of medication use section of the doping control form he filled in connection with the test.”

"there is no evidence that Stiverne intentionally or even knowingly ingested a banned substance with the purpose of enhancing his performance in any fashion. Stiverne's ingestion of DMAA was purely accidental."

Now, I doubt if you can understand because you cannot apparently read, but it is worth a shot.

Just like Povetkin? Who fully admit he took stuff that was allowed when it was allowed? And never skipped any doping test ever after.

[Roars Like Me]

I'm still laughing regarding the 'Browne is too good' quote