The worst robbery on the top level since 2000 ?

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The worst robbery on the top level since 2000 ?

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Pacquiao vs. Bradley 1, for me.
What do you think ?
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Re: The worst robbery on the top level since 2000 ?

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GGG vs Canelo. I think I had it 8-4 to GGG.
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Exoddus wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 10:03 GGG vs Canelo. I think I had it 8-4 to GGG.
It's the more fresh 1 definitely. It was really bad! As soon as 118-110 was read out, I knew it would be a draw and Canelo Split.
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..not sure one can categorise it as "robbery" considering the score at the time of stoppage, however Kovalev vs Ward KO stoppage has been the ugliest I can think of...
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 10:20
Exoddus wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 10:03 GGG vs Canelo. I think I had it 8-4 to GGG.
It's the more fresh 1 definitely. It was really bad! As soon as 118-110 was read out, I knew it would be a draw and Canelo Split.
Yeah Adalaide Byrd 110-118 to Canelo has to be one of the worst ever cards in this history of boxing.
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Kovalev vs Ward, twice even!
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Felix Sturm versus...

... Well take your pick. Way too many to choose from.
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East End wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:23 Felix Sturm versus...

... Well take your pick. Way too many to choose from.
Oscar de la Hoya? ;-)
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Murata vs. N'Dam: I
Cave vs. Escandon
Canelo vs. Mayweather (Draw-card)
Beltran vs. Burns
Rios vs. Abril

Off the top of my head. Those are ones where you can't even come close to the score generated.
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Mexi-Box wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:29 Murata vs. N'Dam: I
Cave vs. Escandon
Canelo vs. Mayweather (Draw-card)
Beltran vs. Burns
Rios vs. Abril

Off the top of my head. Those are ones where you can't even come close to the score generated.
I did not mention Canelo-Mayweather because Mayweather had won - one judge was not enough for robbery.
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greg wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:27
East End wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:23 Felix Sturm versus...

... Well take your pick. Way too many to choose from.
Oscar de la Hoya? ;-)
That wasn't nearly as bad as the rank decisions Sturm has been awarded in Germany. It seemed like a bigger deal at the time just because it was De La Hoya. Typical of the hyperbole that surrounded Oscar's entire career.
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ValMar wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:32
Mexi-Box wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:29 Murata vs. N'Dam: I
Cave vs. Escandon
Canelo vs. Mayweather (Draw-card)
Beltran vs. Burns
Rios vs. Abril

Off the top of my head. Those are ones where you can't even come close to the score generated.
I did not mention Canelo-Mayweather because Mayweather had won - one judge was not enough for robbery.
Still a good excuse to name & shame CJ Ross again though. I hope she remembered to send Adelaide a Christmas card :D
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East End wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:49
ValMar wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:32
Mexi-Box wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:29 Murata vs. N'Dam: I
Cave vs. Escandon
Canelo vs. Mayweather (Draw-card)
Beltran vs. Burns
Rios vs. Abril

Off the top of my head. Those are ones where you can't even come close to the score generated.
I did not mention Canelo-Mayweather because Mayweather had won - one judge was not enough for robbery.
Still a good excuse to name & shame CJ Ross again though. I hope she remembered to send Adelaide a Christmas card :D
:TU:
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Mexi-Box wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:29 Murata vs. N'Dam: I
Cave vs. Escandon
Canelo vs. Mayweather (Draw-card)
Beltran vs. Burns
Rios vs. Abril

Off the top of my head. Those are ones where you can't even come close to the score generated.
:TU:

I don't know if Cave vs Escandon was "Top level" necessarily, but that is definitely the single worst decision I've ever seen. I personally thought Cave won EVERY. SINGLE. ROUND against Escandon.

Ditto with Rios-Abril. I thought Abril won AT LEAST 11 of the 12 rounds. He was screwed royally.

It's especially sickening in the case of Cave as he has been just fighting little small time fights in Canada for the last few years while Escandon has gotten 2 world title shots he didn't deserve. Truly a shame.
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Worst I've ever seen as far as a fight that would've been getting a LOT of attention from the public was Pac vs Bradley 1. Pac beat Bradley every bit as clearly there as he did in the 2nd fight. None of those fights were even close.
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Re: The worst robbery on the top level since 2000 ?

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Malignaggi vs. Diaz
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Williams v Lara.

That fight reasonably should not have been allowed to see the final bell. Lara took target practice on Williams for much of the fight then was declared the loser by the judges.
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gilgamesh wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 13:06
Mexi-Box wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 11:29 Murata vs. N'Dam: I
Cave vs. Escandon
Canelo vs. Mayweather (Draw-card)
Beltran vs. Burns
Rios vs. Abril

Off the top of my head. Those are ones where you can't even come close to the score generated.
:TU:

I don't know if Cave vs Escandon was "Top level" necessarily, but that is definitely the single worst decision I've ever seen. I personally thought Cave won EVERY. SINGLE. ROUND against Escandon.

Ditto with Rios-Abril. I thought Abril won AT LEAST 11 of the 12 rounds. He was screwed royally.

It's especially sickening in the case of Cave as he has been just fighting little small time fights in Canada for the last few years while Escandon has gotten 2 world title shots he didn't deserve. Truly a shame.
MIssed the top level comment. Only saw "worst robbery... since 2000."
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 13:31 Malignaggi vs. Diaz
Speaking of Malignaggi, I don't think anyone scored the Cano fight in favor of him. I wouldn't call it a robbery considering the ones being posted, but it was pretty bad that he won.
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Re: The worst robbery on the top level since 2000 ?

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Jose Armando Santa Cruz vs Joel Casamayor at MSG in 2007.

Disgraceful split decision win for Casamayor (all judges had it 114-113) in a bout thoroughly dominated by the unheralded Santa Cruz.

I had it 116-111, including a knockdown Santa Cruz scored early

The AP scored the bout 117-109 and boxing writer Dan Rafael had it 119-108 and called it "the single worst decision I have ever seen period in my life."

Compubox had Santa Cruz outlanding the Cuban 246-129 total and 197-79 in power punches.

A rout. The only other comparable robberies were Fenech-Nelson I and Holyfield-Lewis I back in the 90s.
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I have to mention some very close fights, don't considering them roberies, simply they were extremely difficult to score/judge :
-Chisora vs. Helenius
-Chisora vs. Whyte
- Golovkin vs. Jacobs
-Golovkin vs. Alvarez
-Brook vs. Porter
-Ward vs. Kovalev 1
-Parker vs. Ruiz
-De Gale vs. Jack

I have never watched Alvarez-Lara completely, and I am not sure when Valuev-Holyfield had happened..........Gassiev-Lebedev was close, too..............
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Pac-Bradley. I scored the first nine rounds for Pac and stopped scoring.
I was happy when Bradley won because I am not a fan of Pacquiao but Pac was seriously robbed that night.
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I'm actually never happy to see a robbery. Even if I hate the guy that got robbed. I'd rather see the sport maintain it's integrity and do things right than see somebody I don't like lose in a bullsh*t manner.
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ValMar wrote: 17 Feb 2018, 14:29 I have to mention some very close fights, don't considering them roberies, simply they were extremely difficult to score/judge :
-Chisora vs. Helenius
-Chisora vs. Whyte
- Golovkin vs. Jacobs
-Golovkin vs. Alvarez
-Brook vs. Porter
-Ward vs. Kovalev 1
-Parker vs. Ruiz
-De Gale vs. Jack

I have never watched Alvarez-Lara completely, and I am not sure when Valuev-Holyfield had happened..........Gassiev-Lebedev was close, too..............
bold - take that one out of it. :lol:
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Not top level.

But JCC Jr over Vera was the worst recent one I can remember.

Chavez barely tried to do anything but complain to ref.
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