Route For Eubank Jr?

[wesshaw1985]

plot Juniors route back to a title shot.

Personally, I think Eubank Jr should go for the WBA 'Regular' Title and position himself for a rematch with Groves.
He could also go after Ronald Gavril or Habib Ahmed next to position himself for a shot at either Benavidez (WBC) or Ramirez (WBO).

How would you plot Juniors route back to a title shot?

[keirw]

Middleweight, he should try and position himself to be Canelo's comeback opponent after he loses to Golovkin.

He will get outboxed again but he will get paid very well for it.

[Horse]

Middleweight, he should try and position himself to be Canelo's comeback opponent after he loses to Golovkin.

How does he position himself for that?

[ShadrachSimmo]

Maybe a fight with Jamie Cox? That'd be interesting.

[wesshaw1985]

Maybe a fight with Jamie Cox? That'd be interesting.

It would be a good scrap.
But I'm not sure it generates enough money or gets him on the fast track to a title...

[Oiky]

Eubanks a bit of a gym fighter really isn't he

I admit I thought he'd do a lot better against groves due to his punch output and work rate and how groves can some times slow up in later rounds, to the point where I said me heart said groves & head said eubank

After all the talk and how ferocious he makes himself look in training, even though we all know his sparring partners are jank, and how his father chimes on about improvements, all he proved last night was he still has no ring iq, still can't box very well, still can't gauge range and timing properly, and honestly is just a superfit brilliant conditioned fighter, but he isn't nearly powerful enough and I say fighter because he really is not a boxer at all

He hasn't a hope against the ggg's (he's already jacked from that fight like a yellow belly), canelo, Billy Joe beats him 100 times out of 100, all the top guys muller him because despite his appearances he is just not that good...

I've never really rated him so why ever I was sucked into believing he could pull out a late win I don't know, who knows where he goes from here but he ain't achieving nothing big in boxing I know that,

[jamesmcdonnell]

The only way he gets a title is to beat a shite paper champ. He's not good enough and never will be. He would box his ears off.

[rd350lc]

The only way he gets a title is to beat a shite paper champ. He's not good enough and never will be. He would box his ears off.

And thats exactly the route the will take .

Too arrogant to take advice from anyone , and will be European level tops .

[keirw]

Middleweight, he should try and position himself to be Canelo's comeback opponent after he loses to Golovkin.

How does he position himself for that?

I'm no expert but I imagine signing with Goldenboy and trying to get on the undercard of thier rematch would be a pretty good start.

I know it's a relatively quick turnaround but I can see it happening, unless he is injured.

[Horse]

For me he should stick to super middleweight and go for the vacant British title against Cox and look to defend it against Paul Smith.

He should win those two easily enough and get far more credit for it than anyone should.

[dalcumly]

With a gym set up like Eubank has, in which his father is trying to live his life again through his son, and poor old Ronnie Davies gets treated like the cleaner, there is only so far talent can take you. There needs to be a complete re-build. I don't know where he goes but Robert McCracken could do a job if 'daddy' was totally excluded.
The most important factor I heard during the commentary was that Groves came in at 13 sts 2 lbs. Eubank would have been lucky if he put on anything. He's a middleweight and only moved up because 'daddy' thought that's where the money would be.

[Horse]

He's a middleweight and only moved up because 'daddy' thought that's where the money would be.

It is where the money is though, isn't it?

[BitPlayer]

With a gym set up like Eubank has, in which his father is trying to live his life again through his son, and poor old Ronnie Davies gets treated like the cleaner, there is only so far talent can take you. There needs to be a complete re-build. I don't know where he goes but Robert McCracken could do a job if 'daddy' was totally excluded.
The most important factor I heard during the commentary was that Groves came in at 13 sts 2 lbs. Eubank would have been lucky if he put on anything. He's a middleweight and only moved up because 'daddy' thought that's where the money would be.

Lets be honest, he moved up because he thought it'd be easier to win a title.

[bripez]

He won’t want to rebuild, but will wait until the IBO title (either middle or super middle) is vacated and go for that - with little worry of having to face mandatory challengers.

[ElJefe]

Lots of things need changing in his training set up. In terms of in the ring he needs to go back down at 160.

The problem they face now is that they messed up his development. They fed him about 15 Latvian bin men and then threw him in with Saunders who had already been tested at British level against the likes of Spike and Ryder. Since getting out boxed by Billy Joe they've matched him against a very specific type of opponent. Plodders who come forward with slow feet and stand right in front of him with no head movement (Chudinov, Spike, Abraham, Yildirim). Makes sense in that he can look good but at the same time if he's not learning in the gym then he needs to be given proper tests in the ring. No surprise then that the next time he goes in with a good boxer he looks completely clueless. So now whereas he should be ready for big fights, his schooling has been done wrong so he really needs another 1.5-2 years to develop. Realistically they shouldn't even be looking at world titles. Golovkin would smash him to pieces and Saunders would embarrass him. He should have an 18 month plan in his head, 4 learning fights before he even thinks about stepping up again. But they have to be proper learning fights. No point feeding him more tailor made opponents. Get him in with a couple of decent boxers that he should be able to figure out. Looking at the rankings I'd suggest someone like Willie Monroe. He'll give Eubank something to think about with his skills but Eubank should be able to beat him and should grow as a boxer while doing so.

The difference in the corners and the quality of training of both fighters was apparent last night. Groves had a clear game plan. Circle to his right, land the jab, look to time the right hand. Sneak in body shots inside or tie him up, lean on him with the extra weight and tire him out. It worked a treat. On the PPV they showed a 30 second clip of Shane McGuigan telling George about a certain combination that Eubank likes to throw and how to defend it. That's probably more specific information than Eubank was given in 10 weeks of camp. No coincidence then that whereas Groves can get straight to work in round 1, Eubank takes 5 or 6 rounds looking at Groves trying to figure him out. Exactly the same thing happened against Saunders.

[Bodyshot3]

Take some proper time out and then take control of his own destiny and career.

Chris Junior his 28 now - not a little lad who still needs his hand held by Pops - and he should now act accordingly.

Dalcumly raises a good point.
Either make the break and be prepared to go your own way or fully empower Davies.

The complete break sounds like the best option - get away from Brighton - entrust another, younger trainer to develop a different vibe and make some key technical, tactical changes.

It worked for Groves when he finally ended-up with Shane and Barry.

I listened to the fight on Talk Sport and it sounded as if Chris Junior was getting picked-off and it was a bit of a repeat of the Saunders fight......but with Groves forcing even more mistakes and not being chased down so effectively.

Time is becoming a bit more precious for Chris Junior now; spin the bottle mate and try something new.

[KiwiRider]

Obviously a top trainer who has the time to get some quality work with Chris is the answer.
But will he listen?
Is it (at 29) a little too late?
I felt a bit sorry for him, he puts in so much effort and dedication, but all that goes to waste when he steps in with a skilled boxer.
Groves and BJS aren't the only skilled boxers at MW and SMW by a long way.

[BlakkMamba]

Why not Adam Booth - good fight tactician, I think they would go together quite well if CEJ would listen to him. He needs fights that will make him develop now. I am afraid he may have to be happy to form part of an undercard facing fighters who stylistically make for bad fights for him, but he can beat ugly and learn. I think thats the only way to rebuild him.

[freddydoesdallas]

For me he should stick to super middleweight and go for the vacant British title against Cox and look to defend it against Paul Smith.

He should win those two easily enough and get far more credit for it than anyone should.

That's a sensible route for most fighters but do you think the ego of father and son would allow that to happen. Dropping to British title level would be admitting that they are not as good as they have always said and think

[Horse]

That's a sensible route for most fighters but do you think the ego of father and son would allow that to happen. Dropping to British title level would be admitting that they are not as good as they have always said and think

Cox and Smith both fought for world titles in their last fights.

I don't think that it would force the Eubanks to admit anything.

He can fight for the British title, whilst still calling out all of the world champions and claiming to be the World's best.

[freddydoesdallas]

That's a sensible route for most fighters but do you think the ego of father and son would allow that to happen. Dropping to British title level would be admitting that they are not as good as they have always said and think

Cox and Smith both fought for world titles in their last fights.

I don't think that it would force the Eubanks to admit anything.

He can fight for the British title, whilst still calling out all of the world champions and claiming to be the World's best.

Stepping down from world title to British title is, in the eyes of many, a massive step down. They have thin skin and wouldn't do it. There are other fighters who would refuse it too, not just the Eubank family

[Horse]

Stepping down from world title to British title is, in the eyes of many, a massive step down. They have thin skin and wouldn't do it. There are other fighters who would refuse it too, not just the Eubank family

It suggests a very weak mindset and I don't have any respect for that attitude.

[freddydoesdallas]

Stepping down from world title to British title is, in the eyes of many, a massive step down. They have thin skin and wouldn't do it. There are other fighters who would refuse it too, not just the Eubank family

It suggests a very weak mindset and I don't have any respect for that attitude.

So you don't have any respect for either Chris or his son Chris?

[jamesmcdonnell]

That's a sensible route for most fighters but do you think the ego of father and son would allow that to happen. Dropping to British title level would be admitting that they are not as good as they have always said and think

Cox and Smith both fought for world titles in their last fights.

I don't think that it would force the Eubanks to admit anything.

He can fight for the British title, whilst still calling out all of the world champions and claiming to be the World's best.

Stepping down from world title to British title is, in the eyes of many, a massive step down. They have thin skin and wouldn't do it. There are other fighters who would refuse it too, not just the Eubank family

He simply isn't good enough to win titles at world level, if he fight for a title again, he will lose again, simple as.

If he wants another title shot, then he should pick up the british title as horse suggested, rack up some wins, and then get another shot - there may be a shite paper champ he can beat by then.

I suppose a fight with Truax might be winnable, but I think it would be a blood and guts war, and quite possible he gets beaten up, but not right now, and who knows how long truax will be champ.

[Horse]

So you don't have any respect for either Chris or his son Chris?

I don't respect that attitude, but I do respect both of those fighters.

That prideful insecurity does make me lose a fair bit of respect for anyone who refuses to drop back down to British level though.