Who scored it for Eubank Jr?

[MarkMcBurney]

i watched it on mute too and had it 10-2 groves

ya, and even sr had his son losing because of commentary too, right

When I said I only gave the 12th to Junior, I mean that was the only round I had no doubt he won - wouldn't argue with anything up to about 9-3 Groves, anything more is just madness IMO.

[handsofstone]

Eubank Sr was telling Jr in between rounds to rough Groves up and make him uncomfortable then afterwards he said the reason Jr lost was because he never used his skills

[Boxerbeetle]

It’s the same every fight - there’s always a handful of people who see it differently to everyone else and despite all evidence to the contrary.

I’m never sure if they genuinely believe what they’re saying, or they’re just doing it as a wind-up, or because they think it makes them come across like boxing gurus who can see so much more that the rest of us?

[Boxerbeetle]

btw mitchell says he rewatched the fight and had it for groves

Did he watch it with commentary the second time and get brainwashed like the rest of the sheep

[candyslim]

why exactly did eubank deserve it slim? educate us.

did the commentators influence eubank sr, ringside writers, fans in the stands, and the judges too?

Why don't you pay attention to what I said? I have said my piece and shall refrain from further comment until I've watched the fight again, under conditions where I can give it my full attention.

Obviously not. My comments were (like I said) general comments not particular to this fight, and clearly apply only to those watching on TV.

[handsofstone]

btw mitchell says he rewatched the fight and had it for groves

Did he watch it with commentary the second time and get brainwashed like the rest of the sheep

Ive had my fair share of "wrong" scores but I never watch it again to rescore, Whats the point? Subconciously i'll either try to get it "right" or prove I was "right" all along

[Coco]

Joseph Parker got the decision against Fury for forcing the fight, swinging wildly and missing!

[danconnollyeire]

Fvck it, I counted the two genuine knockdowns and scored it 119 107

[danconnollyeire]

Joseph Parker got the decision against Fury for forcing the fight, swinging wildly and missing!

Fury did throw about a grand total of 7 punches though

[danconnollyeire]

candyslim over in the current scene thinks eubank won. theres a mini 'it was biased commentary influencing ppl, wah!!' army starting there. thomasstearns over there seems to maybe think eubank won too and is blaming commentary.

I watched the fight with family members and I was struggling to give it my full attention all of the time.

Bear that in mind when I say I was quite shocked when the compubox stats showed Groves throwing and landing the majority of punches. I had the fight very close but I thought Eubank had done enough to win it.

I wouldn't argue the result but I would be happy if they postpone it until Groves is fit or if Eubank is allowed to progress. Either is fine but definitely not a stand-in who has not participated in the tourney so far.

I agree. I felt that it was a close thing at the time but suspect a lot of the initial reaction was influenced by which commentary you were subjected to. As far as Richie Woodhall was concerned, Groves had seemingly won the fight by the end of the second round!

Sometimes I really wish there was a way to keep the crowd noise but shut out the commentators.

Like I said Jamamb, it can be difficult when you're trying to watch a fight while still trying to be an amenable host among guests who have little or no interest in boxing. As you say I need to watch it again and I will.

Having said that I think Thomas has a point about how commentators can influence the viewer's opinion of how a fight is going. I'm not specifically talking about this fight as I couldn't hear the commentary, but we are all human and it would be foolish to think we are always immune.

I'm prepared to accept my impression that Eubank won could be wide of the mark, but I really don't believe it was a huge margin in it. Some are talking like it was like watching Saunders v Lemieux and it was nothing like as one-sided as that. I think the Eubanks are paying the price for their big-talk. If you promise great things and fail to deliver then this is going to attract a lot of scorn from the fans and | believe this is borne out by the comments on this forum.

Crack is rife on this forum... bloody rife

[Datsue]

Joseph Parker got the decision against Fury for forcing the fight, swinging wildly and missing!

Yep, it was exactly the same, especially the way Hughie's punches visibly stopped Parker working, the way Parker was visibly hurt on several occasions, the way Hughie landed by far the harder punches...

Totally the same mate.

[Coco]

Joseph Parker got the decision against Fury for forcing the fight, swinging wildly and missing!

Yep, it was exactly the same, especially the way Hughie's punches visibly stopped Parker working, the way Parker was visibly hurt on several occasions, the way Hughie landed by far the harder punches...

Totally the same mate.

Of course it was not the same fight but either you count wild misses or you don't.
Many people on here justified the Parker decision by crediting for forcing the fight and missing wildly.
It's punches on the target area which count

[Datsue]

It's punches on the target area which count

You've got it arse-backwards, haven't you mate? It's not the wild misses part that you should be concentrating on.

What's the quote about punches from the actual rules of boxing scoring to which you refer? It's "clean, effective punching" isn't it?

Which might explain why it was a totally different fight Saturday & completely non-comparable, because Groves' punches were ten times cleaner & more effective (by any definition) than Eubank's, whereas Hughie flipped & flapped & prodded away & was so ineffective at punching it turned what should've been a win into something a judge could convince themselves was actually a close fight.

You could've said "Parker wore trunks against Hughie & got a decision! Eubank wore trunks too!" & it would've made the same amount of sense as the thing that you did say, only it would've been funnier.

[ewenhay]

First try to use your own mind (not the commentators one) and then start scoring. Giving rounds for holding and spoiling it`s not a good idea for me. The one who was trying to fight more wasn`t Groves for sure. And what`s most important: clean and really heavy punches landed - I think it was Eubank`s here a better one (power punches in statistics are also a lot of different punches looking at "power"). Had it 115:113 for Eubank. Try to watch this fight without ITV commentary and forgetting about this that you don`t like Eubank (I like them both).
Rounds: G, G, E, E, E, G, E, G, E, G, E, E - 7:5 Eubank
Thank You for Your attention.

You haven't a effing clue what you are on about. You don't score rounds for 'trying' to fight when you're being countered. Moron.

Look, mr jamesmcdonnell, you have a lot of people here thinking the same way like you, so you can really feel like real boxing expert (looking at most people opinions), so why are you so nervous, and you are using this type of language? I`m not afraid to present my point of view, even if I am in minority, and believe me that opinions of people like you, pathetic boor (or your b.tch - Jackson 328) don`t engage me too much. So, this is my last post in this topic - regards to all here (don`t matter what they think about this fight, and scoring) who can discuss without "morons" or "idiots" adjectives

PS. I could give it 115:113 for Groves too (round 3 or 11) but I`m not changing previos scoring :-)

I'm sorry but you don't know how to score a fight.

[Finn]

Eubank won 2 rounds from what I saw. It was as much of a schooling as I’ve seen in a big fight. Groves tied him up and countered him all night.

Eubank is one tough cookie but needs a trainer who he will listen to and needs to be at a lower weight.

[Loynesy]

First try to use your own mind (not the commentators one) and then start scoring. Giving rounds for holding and spoiling it`s not a good idea for me. The one who was trying to fight more wasn`t Groves for sure. And what`s most important: clean and really heavy punches landed - I think it was Eubank`s here a better one (power punches in statistics are also a lot of different punches looking at "power"). Had it 115:113 for Eubank. Try to watch this fight without ITV commentary and forgetting about this that you don`t like Eubank (I like them both).
Rounds: G, G, E, E, E, G, E, G, E, G, E, E - 7:5 Eubank
Thank You for Your attention.

You haven't a effing clue what you are on about. You don't score rounds for 'trying' to fight when you're being countered. Moron.

Look, mr jamesmcdonnell, you have a lot of people here thinking the same way like you, so you can really feel like real boxing expert (looking at most people opinions), so why are you so nervous, and you are using this type of language? I`m not afraid to present my point of view, even if I am in minority, and believe me that opinions of people like you, pathetic boor (or your b.tch - Jackson 328) don`t engage me too much. So, this is my last post in this topic - regards to all here (don`t matter what they think about this fight, and scoring) who can discuss without "morons" or "idiots" adjectives

PS. I could give it 115:113 for Groves too (round 3 or 11) but I`m not changing previos scoring :-)

Sindbad

James is big enough to defend himself, I haven’t seen him personally for a long time, but I wouldn’t describe him as nervous.

He’s merely pointing out that a viewpoint that Eubank won, has to be said by someone who either:

1. Is being contrarian; or

2. Knows nothing about boxing.

There isn’t an objective option 3.

Anyway, enjoy watching boxing and perhaps you could do a course at your local amateur authority as to what to look for when scoring a fight?

[Ruthless-RKO]

You haven't a effing clue what you are on about. You don't score rounds for 'trying' to fight when you're being countered. Moron.

Come on James. The guy may be totally wrong but that's a bit unfair.

Is it? In what way? He's talking utter bollocks.

Let him have his opinion.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Groves won, but I wouldn't say he schooled Eubank. It was an ugly fight to be honest.

[Jackson328]

First try to use your own mind (not the commentators one) and then start scoring. Giving rounds for holding and spoiling it`s not a good idea for me. The one who was trying to fight more wasn`t Groves for sure. And what`s most important: clean and really heavy punches landed - I think it was Eubank`s here a better one (power punches in statistics are also a lot of different punches looking at "power"). Had it 115:113 for Eubank. Try to watch this fight without ITV commentary and forgetting about this that you don`t like Eubank (I like them both).
Rounds: G, G, E, E, E, G, E, G, E, G, E, E - 7:5 Eubank
Thank You for Your attention.

You haven't a effing clue what you are on about. You don't score rounds for 'trying' to fight when you're being countered. Moron.

Look, mr jamesmcdonnell, you have a lot of people here thinking the same way like you, so you can really feel like real boxing expert (looking at most people opinions), so why are you so nervous, and you are using this type of language? I`m not afraid to present my point of view, even if I am in minority, and believe me that opinions of people like you, pathetic boor (or your b.tch - Jackson 328) don`t engage me too much. So, this is my last post in this topic - regards to all here (don`t matter what they think about this fight, and scoring) who can discuss without "morons" or "idiots" adjectives

PS. I could give it 115:113 for Groves too (round 3 or 11) but I`m not changing previos scoring :-)

Sindbad, It may be your opening line in which you patronised lots of people by telling us to 'try to use our own minds' and you also accused us of allowing the commentary to influence us. This is very presumptive and arrogant of you and a reason why we insulted you. You are of course entitled to your own opinion but you don't need to try and influence ours by talking b0llocks and if you thought that Eubank landed the cleaner and heavier punches then we are simply miles apart in our judgement of this fight. You must accept that you are in a very small minority of people who felt that Groves lost? Even Eubank Senior accepted that his own son lost!

I had to chuckle at being called James' little b1tch though

[jamesmcdonnell]

Come on James. The guy may be totally wrong but that's a bit unfair.

Is it? In what way? He's talking utter bollocks.

Let him have his opinion.

He can have his opinion, nobody says he can't, but I also have mine, which is that his opinion is utter fornicating bollocks.

[jamesmcdonnell]

You haven't a effing clue what you are on about. You don't score rounds for 'trying' to fight when you're being countered. Moron.

Look, mr jamesmcdonnell, you have a lot of people here thinking the same way like you, so you can really feel like real boxing expert (looking at most people opinions), so why are you so nervous, and you are using this type of language? I`m not afraid to present my point of view, even if I am in minority, and believe me that opinions of people like you, pathetic boor (or your b.tch - Jackson 328) don`t engage me too much. So, this is my last post in this topic - regards to all here (don`t matter what they think about this fight, and scoring) who can discuss without "morons" or "idiots" adjectives

PS. I could give it 115:113 for Groves too (round 3 or 11) but I`m not changing previos scoring :-)

Sindbad, It may be your opening line in which you patronised lots of people by telling us to 'try to use our own minds' and you also accused us of allowing the commentary to influence us. This is very presumptive and arrogant of you and a reason why we insulted you. You are of course entitled to your own opinion but you don't need to try and influence ours by talking b0llocks and if you thought that Eubank landed the cleaner and heavier punches then we are simply miles apart in our judgement of this fight. You must accept that you are in a very small minority of people who felt that Groves lost? Even Eubank Senior accepted that his own son lost!

I had to chuckle at being called James' little b1tch though

Precisely, if someone comes on here giving it the large, and telling me my opinion is based on what the commentators are telling me, when I'm watching the fight intently, then I'm afraid I'm going to tell them to go poke it, and that they are talking bollocks, especially in a fight, where one fighter was not only dictating the distance, and controlling the fight, but also landing the cleaner better punches in all but a few rounds.

One thing Naz said that was total bollocks, was that Jr was 'dictating the pace' - I think that's because Naz is the type who doesn't like people who box off of the back foot, he gave Jr credit for dictating the pace because he sluggishly followed Groves around, and then occasionally came rushing in headlong like a bull, only to be tied up and neutralised.

If boxing is so subjective that Eubank can be considered the winner, then clearly the scoring system needs to change, or the way judges are instructed.

[fightfan95]

If anybody can justify a win for Eubank seriously has no clue on scoring a fight. It is crazy too think Eubank won that fight, Groves won it clearly and wide. I think Eubank won 3 rounds at best, and that's being a bit generous.

You cannot score a fight for trying to force the fight and being more aggressive, while getting jabbed all round the ring and swinging widely and missing and looking clumsy. Groves/McGuigan implemented a very effective game plan, but a game plan many could have thought off, as Eubank is one of the most predictable fighters there is. The way Eubank couldn't adjust to the game plan shows the different levels of skill between the two.

It amazes me that there are people out there, who claim to know boxing and enjoy boxing, thinking Eubank won that fight. How do you score a fight?

The 115-113 scorecard for Groves, was a joke enough.

[jamesmcdonnell]

If anybody can justify a win for Eubank seriously has no clue on scoring a fight. It is crazy too think Eubank won that fight, Groves won it clearly and wide. I think Eubank won 3 rounds at best, and that's being a bit generous.

You cannot score a fight for trying to force the fight and being more aggressive, while getting jabbed all round the ring and swinging widely and missing and looking clumsy. Groves/McGuigan implemented a very effective game plan, but a game plan many could have thought off, as Eubank is one of the most predictable fighters there is. The way Eubank couldn't adjust to the game plan shows the different levels of skill between the two.

It amazes me that there are people out there, who claim to know boxing and enjoy boxing, thinking Eubank won that fight. How do you score a fight?

The 115-113 scorecard for Groves, was a joke enough.

I really couldn't beleve It when i heard that card. Outrageous.

[fightfan95]

If anybody can justify a win for Eubank seriously has no clue on scoring a fight. It is crazy too think Eubank won that fight, Groves won it clearly and wide. I think Eubank won 3 rounds at best, and that's being a bit generous.

You cannot score a fight for trying to force the fight and being more aggressive, while getting jabbed all round the ring and swinging widely and missing and looking clumsy. Groves/McGuigan implemented a very effective game plan, but a game plan many could have thought off, as Eubank is one of the most predictable fighters there is. The way Eubank couldn't adjust to the game plan shows the different levels of skill between the two.

It amazes me that there are people out there, who claim to know boxing and enjoy boxing, thinking Eubank won that fight. How do you score a fight?

The 115-113 scorecard for Groves, was a joke enough.

I really couldn't beleve It when i heard that card. Outrageous.

When I heard it, I just imagined them saying Eubank's name... That would've been the end

[bruthead]

Across the 3 judges scorecards, Eubank won 7 rounds on at least one judge's scorecard.

Groves landed 84 power punches to 75, and 33 jabs to 17. It was a competitive fight.

The alternate judge to be used in the case of a draw to advance one fighter into the tournament final scored it 115-113 to Eubank.