Best Amateur Record?

[Nile4000]

I believe Gerry Cooney was 55-2 which isn't too bad. What about Teolfilo Stevenson?

It's pretty good, but I don't think he fought a lot nationally or internationally. Often wondered how he would have done in the 1976 Olympic Trials, especially if he met up with Tate, Dokes, or Page. Even Jimmy Clark.

[Tony1244]

I believe Gerry Cooney was 55-2 which isn't too bad. What about Teolfilo Stevenson?

It's pretty good, but I don't think he fought a lot nationally or internationally. Often wondered how he would have done in the 1976 Olympic Trials, especially if he met up with Tate, Dokes, or Page. Even Jimmy Clark.

Cooney fought a Russian or 2. He began his career in 1977, maybe he fought Jimmy Clark, I don't know. Perhaps he was ducking people as an amateur too.

[Nile4000]

I believe Gerry Cooney was 55-2 which isn't too bad. What about Teolfilo Stevenson?

It's pretty good, but I don't think he fought a lot nationally or internationally. Often wondered how he would have done in the 1976 Olympic Trials, especially if he met up with Tate, Dokes, or Page. Even Jimmy Clark.

Cooney fought a Russian or 2. He began his career in 1977, maybe he fought Jimmy Clark, I don't know. Perhaps he was ducking people as an amateur too.

True that .

[Duran1970]

I've read somewhere and it's documented that Matthew Hilton was 106-0 (97 kos)

Marciano 9-4
Breland 100-1

[Bob]

Below is my (very) incomplete amateur record for Curry; a lot of the records quoted are close at best and many made up (such as Ray Robinson was not undefeated) but accepted as fact because they were never challenged nor sources to check them...

Donald Curry (Sample)

1972

Apr 27 W 3 Waxahachie, TX YMCA Tour. Spiderweight quarters
Apr 28 Johnny McCullough L 3 Waxahachie, TX YMCA Tour. Spiderweight semis

1973

Mar 30
Apr 19 Steve Moore Ft. Worth, TX Region IX AAU Jr. Olympic finals

1974

May 2 Randy Freelon W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Region IX Intermediate semis
May 3 Ft. Worth, TX Region IX Intermediate finals

1975

Jan 9 Craig Adams W 3 Grand Prairie, TX UAW 276 High School Tour. quarters
Jan 10 Bit Strain W 3 Grand Prairie, TX UAW 276 High School Tour. semis
Jan 11 Raul Cantu W 3 Grand Prairie, TX UAW 276 High School Tour. finals
Jan 17 Eddie Gonzales L default Haltom City, TX Northeast Moose B.C. Tournament
Jan 23 Eddie Gonzales W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Panther B.C. Invitational quarters
Jan 24 Raul Cantu W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Panther B.C. Invitational semis
Jan 25 Bit Strain W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Panther B.C. Invitational finals (108)
May 8 Billy Brookhart W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Southwestern J.O. Intermediate
May 10 Dewey Walker W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Southwestern J.O. Intermediate finals
Jun 7 Scotty Evans W 3 Houston, TX National AAU Jr. Olympic finals (105)
Jul 9 Gary Traversie W 3 Haltom City, TX Northeast Moose B.C. Tournament
Jul 16 Terry Garrington W 3 Haltom City, TX Northeast Moose B.C. Tournament

1976

Jan 22 Wade Paul W 3 Haltom City, TX McCaslin Co. Tournament quarters
Jan 23 Gary Williams W 3 Haltom City, TX McCaslin Co. Tournament semis
Jan 24 Mike Meza W 3 Haltom City, TX McCaslin Co. Tournament finals (118)
Feb 5 UAW 276 High School Tournament
Feb 19 Jessie Galindo W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG High School 1st round
Feb 20 Gilbert Maldonado W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG High School quarters
Feb 21 Johnny Ramirez W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG High School semis
Feb 23 Mike Meza W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG High School finals (118)
Jun 18 Rafe Sims W 3 Haltom City, TX Region IX Open quarters
Jun 18 Joe Garcia W 3 Haltom City, TX Region IX Open semis
Jun 19 Arthur Amalia KO 1 Haltom City, TX Region IX Open finals (132)

1977

Feb 18 Gerry Hill W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG Novice semis
Feb 19 Chris Hernandez W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG Novice finals (132)
Jun 11 Bill Smith W 3 Shreveport, LA Region IX J.O. finals (132)
Jun 16 Green Bay, WI National Junior Olympic 1st round
Jun 16 Green Bay, WI National Junior Olympic 2nd round
Jun 17 Green Bay, WI National Junior Olympic quarters
Jun 17 Clifford Gray W 3 Green Bay, WI National Junior Olympic semis
Jun 18 Mike James W 3 Green Bay, WI National Junior Olympic finals (132)

1978

Feb 17 Gary Williams W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG Open semis
Feb 19 Overton Brooks W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG Open finals (139)
Feb 24 Shreveport, LA
Mar 8 Richard Johnson W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Texas State GG 1st round
Mar 9 Reuben Estrella W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Texas State GG quarters
Mar 10 Idika Nsofor W 3 Ft. Worth, TX Texas State GG semis
Mar 11 Ronnie Shields L 3 Ft. Worth, TX Texas State GG finals (139)
Apr 15 Dallas, TX
Apr 18 Michael Barnes W 3 Biloxi, MS National AAU 1st round
Apr 18 Pedro Vilella WDq 3 Biloxi, MS National AAU 2nd round
Apr 19 Michael Wright W 3 Biloxi, MS National AAU 3rd round
Apr 20 Bobby Joe Young W 3 Biloxi, MS National AAU quarters
Apr 21 George Haynes W 3 Biloxi, MS National AAU semis
Apr 22 Lemuel Steeples W 3 Biloxi, MS National AAU finals (139)
Jul 28 Dujuan Johnson L 3 Colorado Sp., CO National Sports Festival
Oct 6 Jose Aguilar L 3 New York, NY USA vs. Cuba dual
Dec 14 Joshua, TX Gorman B.C. Tournament

1979

Feb 3 Serik Konakbayev L 3 Troy, NY USA vs. Russia dual
Feb 17 David Gorman L forfeit Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG Open finals (147)
Apr 12 David Kuykendall TKO 2 Dallas, TX Southwestern AAU quarters
Apr 13 Donald Miller KO 1 Dallas, TX Southwestern AAU semis
Apr 14 John Llamas TKO 2 Dallas, TX Southwestern AAU finals (147)
Apr Ronnie Shields W 3 San Antonio, TX Region IX AAU finals
May 8 Anthony Powell W 3 Lake Charles, LA National AAU 1st round
May 9 Jake Torrence W 3 Lake Charles, LA National AAU 2nd round
May 10 Daniel Avery W 3 Lake Charles, LA National AAU quarters
May 11 Roger McCane W 3 Lake Charles, LA National AAU semis
May 12 Ronnie Newton KO 3 Lake Charles, LA National AAU finals (147)
Jul 11 Freddy Trevino KO 1 Dallas, TX Metro PAL quarters
Jul 11 David Gorman KO 1 Dallas, TX Metro PAL semis
Jul 12 Kenny Releford Dallas, TX Metro PAL finals (147)
Jul 28 Rodney Trusel W 3 Colorado Sp., CO National Sports Festival semis
Jul 29 Roger McCane TKO 3 Colorado Sp., CO National Sports Festival finals
Aug 22 Dallas, TX
Sep 26
Oct 24
Nov 14
Dec 12

1980

Feb 15 Andrew Fleming TKO 1 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG Open semis
Feb 16 Daniel Valdez, Jr. TKO 1 Ft. Worth, TX Regional GG Open finals (147)
Mar 5 Tony Green KO 1 Ft. Worth, TX Texas State GG Open 1st round
Mar 6 Johnny Warrick TKO 2 Ft. Worth, TX Texas State GG quarters
Mar 7 Raul Trujillo KO 1 Ft. Worth, TX Texas State GG semis
Mar 8 Herby Limon TKO 1 Ft. Worth, TX Texas State GG finals (147)
Mar 25 David Bean TKO 2 Shreveport, LA National GG 1st round
Mar 27 Michael Goudeau TKO 2 Shreveport, LA National GG 2nd round
Mar 28 William Osborne TKO 2 Shreveport, LA National GG quarters
Mar 29 Robert Cooper W 3 Shreveport, LA National GG semis
Mar 29 Jake Torrence W 3 Shreveport, LA National GG finals (147)
Apr 5 Vesa Koskela TKO by 1 Biloxi, MS USA vs. Scandanavia dual
Apr 10 Dallas, TX Southwestern AAU
May 1 Jimmy Miller TKO 1 Lubbock, TX Northwestern Region XII semis (???)
May 2 Clarence Byrd Lubbock, TX Northwestern Region XII finals (???)
Jun 15 Michael Wright W 3 Atlanta, GA Olympic Trials quarters
Jun 18 Edward Green W 3 Atlanta, GA Olympic Trials semis
Jun 21 Davey Moore W 3 Atlanta, GA Olympic Trials finals (147)
Sep 13 Kamau Wanyoke W 3 Nairobi, KEN Gold Cup of Kenya finals

[jamamb]

yep so many am records are phony, there was an am in my area who on his amateur boxing clubs website had a 38-18 am record, and you could find most of those fights in local results that were up so it was probably a close to accurate record, and then he goes pro and is reputed to have been 67-8 as an am

i mean, so few ppl actually bother to check, and it can be hard to perfectly verifiy am numbers, so its just so easy for guys to lie to get themselves maybe some extra hype when they go pro

[pound per pound]

My vote is for Vasyl Lomachenko. 396 wins and only 1 loss, to Albert Selimov, which was avenged twice.

396-1? Unheard of!

[jamamb]

im not sure if the 396 is accurate, but unlike guys like curry and golovkin who you can find more losses then what gets listed in the media, i can only find that 1 loss for loma.

[Jacopodb]

I didn't know about Curry: great amateur resume, and excellent pro, impressive power: he went on to defeat, among others, solid Italian Gianfranco Rosi.

I had to pick De La Hoya on the poll, because he's done too much for me: great knockout-rate (in amateur fights..!), and the rest is just awesome. I don't exclude that he might have been more hyped-up than Curry, because of his dramatic Olympic gold, and I don't know about Curry's amateur KO-rate... that would give me more clues.

[oogiebe]

My vote is for Vasyl Lomachenko. 396 wins and only 1 loss, to Albert Selimov, which was avenged twice.

396-1? Unheard of!

x2 I have heard the win total was 421, but that may have been embellished.

[Coco]

Ridiculous... Vasyl Lomachenko finished his amateur career with a claimed career record of 396-1, with his only loss avenged twice... He also won 2 Olympic Gold Medals in a walk.. Who's done better than that???? NOBODY!!!!

It's the best for me both statistically and on achievement.
Most importantly to have a great amateur record you need to have won title, esp world and Olympic ones,

[locoxelbox]

If we talk about the greatest record we must consider their international record and major Championships record. To mention Donald Curry against the likes of Teofilo Stevenson or Vasyl Lomachnenko is ridiculous.

Curry won one international tournament in Kenya. He lost a couple of dual matches vs Cuba, Russia and Sweden. Thats it.

Lomachenko has a good case to be the greatest amateur ever. Others are Stevenson, Papp, Savon, Kindelan, Rigondeaux and maybe 2 or 3 more names.

As far as amateur record is concerned I think Lomachenko´s has no match. However I do think the 396-1 record is grossly inflated.

[Jacopodb]

Lomachenko has a good case to be the greatest amateur ever. Others are Stevenson, Papp, Savon, Kindelan, Rigondeaux and maybe 2 or 3 more names.

I had underestimated Lomachenko's amateur career, I must state he's definitely an all-timer amateur.

If I can suggest a name, Cammarelle did great, also considering that he was robbed of the 2012 Olympic gold.

[oogiebe]

Lomachenko has a good case to be the greatest amateur ever. Others are Stevenson, Papp, Savon, Kindelan, Rigondeaux and maybe 2 or 3 more names.

I had underestimated Lomachenko's amateur career, I must state he's definitely an all-timer amateur.

If I can suggest a name, Cammarelle did great, also considering that he was robbed of the 2012 Olympic gold.

Didn't something happen with Cammarelle as to why he didn't turn pro?

[Jacopodb]

Lomachenko has a good case to be the greatest amateur ever. Others are Stevenson, Papp, Savon, Kindelan, Rigondeaux and maybe 2 or 3 more names.

I had underestimated Lomachenko's amateur career, I must state he's definitely an all-timer amateur.

If I can suggest a name, Cammarelle did great, also considering that he was robbed of the 2012 Olympic gold.

Didn't something happen with Cammarelle as to why he didn't turn pro?

Cammarelle, Russo, Valentino, and the likes of them (Olympic golds or silvers, World amateur-champions, or both), are all enlisted in Italian armed forces: they don't do military duties, but are paid only to train and fight at the highest amateur level, and are all hired by either police corps, military police, Italian regular army, or financial police etc., only because of their boxing-talent, pretty much as happens with basketball prospects and Colleges like North Carolina, etc., but it's a military thing.

They never go pro, because they have no business: not rich enough to settle in the States, and not poor enough to seek a professional contract at all costs: they stay amateur for their whole career, getting the glory and a secure, monthly wage.
Pretty much like Teòfilo Stevenson, with the due proportions (except that it's not prohibited going pro in Italy).

As you might have noticed, most Italian-born World Champions, either migrated with their families over Anglo-Saxon countries before even lacing their gloves for the first time (I'm talking about the likes of: Gatti, Rocky Mattioli and Antuofermo), or settled in America due to their Italian and European fame (I'm talking about the likes of Carnera).
I know Daniele Petrucci, who went to the States seeking for a fight, training with no other than Joe Goossen and Ricky Funez, but couldn't find anything, even if he was arguably eager to fight anyone at welterweight. Probably his name wasn't big-enough, so big names ignored him, and young prospects, if responsible-enough, might have avoided him, I guess: he was no tester, like many Hungarian, Romanian or Bulgarian poor journeymen (Attila Kiss, etc.) testing young Italian prospects' ability. He came back to Italy with no fight oversea.

Clemente Russo, years ago, had a professional meeting with Don King: King told Russo he would have earned more as an amateur, and to come back after the 2012 Olympic games, where he earned a silver, but back then he was already 30-years-old, and no one, as predictable, offered him a pro contract: Russo declared that if someone had offered him a million-dollar pro-contract, he would've accepted, but that didn't happen at over 30 years old, obviously.

If you have more questions, I'll gladly seek and translate Italian articles on this topic, for you guys.

[oogiebe]

I had underestimated Lomachenko's amateur career, I must state he's definitely an all-timer amateur.

If I can suggest a name, Cammarelle did great, also considering that he was robbed of the 2012 Olympic gold.

Didn't something happen with Cammarelle as to why he didn't turn pro?

Cammarelle, Russo, Valentino, and the likes of them (Olympic golds or silvers, World amateur-champions, or both), are all enlisted in Italian armed forces: they don't do military duties, but are paid only to train and fight at the highest amateur level, and are all hired by either police corps, military police, Italian regular army, or financial police etc., only because of their boxing-talent, pretty much as happens with basketball prospects and Colleges like North Carolina, etc., but it's a military thing.

They never go pro, because they have no business: not rich enough to settle in the States, and not poor enough to seek a professional contract at all costs: they stay amateur for their whole career, getting the glory and a secure, monthly wage.
Pretty much like Teòfilo Stevenson, with the due proportions (except that it's not prohibited going pro in Italy).

As you might have noticed, most Italian-born World Champions, either migrated with their families over Anglo-Saxon countries before even lacing their gloves for the first time (I'm talking about the likes of: Gatti, Rocky Mattioli and Antuofermo), or settled in America due to their Italian and European fame (I'm talking about the likes of Carnera).
I know Daniele Petrucci, who went to the States seeking for a fight, training with no other than Joe Goossen and Ricky Funez, but couldn't find anything, even if he was arguably eager to fight anyone at welterweight. Probably his name wasn't big-enough, so big names ignored him, and young prospects, if responsible-enough, might have avoided him, I guess: he was no tester, like many Hungarian, Romanian or Bulgarian poor journeymen (Attila Kiss, etc.) testing young Italian prospects' ability. He came back to Italy with no fight oversea.

Clemente Russo, years ago, had a professional meeting with Don King: King told Russo he would have earned more as an amateur, and to come back after the 2012 Olympic games, where he earned a silver, but back then he was already 30-years-old, and no one, as predictable, offered him a pro contract: Russo declared that if someone had offered him a million-dollar pro-contract, he would've accepted, but that didn't happen at over 30 years old, obviously.

If you have more questions, I'll gladly seek and translate Italian articles on this topic, for you guys.

Thanks! Hey what do you think of this Guido Vianello kid?

[Jacopodb]

Didn't something happen with Cammarelle as to why he didn't turn pro?

Cammarelle, Russo, Valentino, and the likes of them (Olympic golds or silvers, World amateur-champions, or both), are all enlisted in Italian armed forces: they don't do military duties, but are paid only to train and fight at the highest amateur level, and are all hired by either police corps, military police, Italian regular army, or financial police etc., only because of their boxing-talent, pretty much as happens with basketball prospects and Colleges like North Carolina, etc., but it's a military thing.

They never go pro, because they have no business: not rich enough to settle in the States, and not poor enough to seek a professional contract at all costs: they stay amateur for their whole career, getting the glory and a secure, monthly wage.
Pretty much like Teòfilo Stevenson, with the due proportions (except that it's not prohibited going pro in Italy).

As you might have noticed, most Italian-born World Champions, either migrated with their families over Anglo-Saxon countries before even lacing their gloves for the first time (I'm talking about the likes of: Gatti, Rocky Mattioli and Antuofermo), or settled in America due to their Italian and European fame (I'm talking about the likes of Carnera).
I know Daniele Petrucci, who went to the States seeking for a fight, training with no other than Joe Goossen and Ricky Funez, but couldn't find anything, even if he was arguably eager to fight anyone at welterweight. Probably his name wasn't big-enough, so big names ignored him, and young prospects, if responsible-enough, might have avoided him, I guess: he was no tester, like many Hungarian, Romanian or Bulgarian poor journeymen (Attila Kiss, etc.) testing young Italian prospects' ability. He came back to Italy with no fight oversea.

Clemente Russo, years ago, had a professional meeting with Don King: King told Russo he would have earned more as an amateur, and to come back after the 2012 Olympic games, where he earned a silver, but back then he was already 30-years-old, and no one, as predictable, offered him a pro contract: Russo declared that if someone had offered him a million-dollar pro-contract, he would've accepted, but that didn't happen at over 30 years old, obviously.

If you have more questions, I'll gladly seek and translate Italian articles on this topic, for you guys.

Thanks! Hey what do you think of this Guido Vianello kid?

You're welcome, bro.

I had never heard of Guido Vianello before (nor of the only bum he knocked out), only noticed pictures, now I know it's him; he's Roman-born and raised, and carries the surname of a famous Roman-born TV-star and allegedly-former boxer (altho I don't believe they're related), and I know the gym he comes from. He's a former Golden-Gloves champion.

Glad he got with Bob Arum; Guido Vianello's family could've helped the son out: I read he was into tennis, and his family too (usually, tennis is a sport for rather wealthy people...), so maybe he can afford what other boxers can't.

I repeat, I'm glad that something's moving, but he's got a lot to prove, and I don't like all that "gladiator" stuff... ancient Roman stereotypes, common places... the whole gladiatorship was a morbid, sadistic fraud. I despise the usual "warrior"/"war" monferrina, referred to boxers... An athlete is the opposite of that.

This Vianello looks a little too much like Lou Savarese, to me... Intricate, slow... He's no Cammarelle, or Russo. Anyway, he hits pretty hard: not everything can suck, in life. As I see it, Fabio Turchi is on another level, but if this Vianello keeps staying under Arum's wing, he could even have better career than Turchi.
He's a rare bird in the Italian boxing landscape. We'll see...

[jamamb]

cammarelle had a back injury that made it very difficult to do longer distance fights

[oogiebe]

cammarelle had a back injury that made it very difficult to do longer distance fights

Thanks. I remember I heard something about an injury.

[Jacopodb]

Cammarelle was World-class: fast, powerful, charismatic (Damiani, the trainer, had him rallying, with a speech, the other boxers in the Italian national team, before important events), a true gentleman: they don't make it like that, usually: he's exceptional in many ways: detractors say he's been helped by Italian juries in his homeland, but I know he, as well as Angelo Musone, and arguably others, was feared like plague by international juries: watch video below for controversial Musone vs Tillman fight at 1984 Olympics; you judge.

[luckyjack]

I vote for Donald Curry
without any doubts

[Duran1970]

Alex Hilton. 104-1 (90 ko)
Dave Hilton jr 133-2 (99)
Matthew Hilton 108-0 (98)

[jamamb]

I vote for Donald Curry
without any doubts

well its been shown he has more documented losses then his claimed 404-4, so that raises doubts to me about his records legitimacy. also his actual accomplishments certanly arent close to being amateur atg

[shizzamwow]

What about Loma? i think he was like 396-1

[Shotgunfisher]

no scores found for this bout

Floyd Patterson was 40 and 4, but 3 of his losses were when he first started as a 15 year old kid. I read where he was 1 and 3 in his first 4 fights. He won the Eastern and New York Golden Gloves at middleweight at 16 in 1951 and won an Olympic Gold Medal at middleweight at 17 in 1952 before turning pro.

Floyd also won the National AAU championship in 1952 at light heavyweight as well as the New York, Eastern, and Intercity Golden Gloves at light heavyweight in 1952. 1952 was not a bad year for Floyd.

If Floyd had stayed at light heavyweight after turning pro, he may have been considered one of the greatest in history in that division. Of course, the real big money was in the heavyweight division, so his manager fed him steaks every night to help build him up into a heavyweight. Floyd still did pretty well until the big guys like Liston and Ali came along.

Oops. It was at middleweight that Floyd won the National AAU championship in 1952, not light heavyweight.

The Eastern Golden Gloves, won by Floyd Patterson in 1951 and 1952, was also known as the Golden Gloves Tournament of Champions.