i can respect that this is among the best hw resumes of the last 3 years, though i think aj and wilder both splat him. without that ped power hes merely good, maybe a bit better than pulev and parker.
Povetkin never took a PED.... VADA admitted this (very quietly) after they insinuated he did and "investigated." .... VADA nailed Bermane Stiverne for PED use and did NOTHING to discipline their boy for PED use beyond making him to pay fines..
Ortiz took a blood pressure med and VADA accused him of using it for a masking agent.. They used a different name for the drug on their banned list than appears on med vials -- so how can anybody check it against the list???? Ortiz offered to pay for expensive hair follicle testing to prove he’s not a PED user like Bermane Stiverne – a fat, uncoordinated pig who’s now had 2 World Title Fights with Wilder because he's an easy opponent... Ortiz is not the hooker who Wilder beat half to death in his hotel room... Ortiz knows what he's doing in the ring... Luis will give Deontay a taste of his own meds.
x2x wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 15:18
I agree with some of the things that you said, LF, except I think Povetkin has a very good shot at beating Joshua. I think he is far more skillful.
But as I keep saying boxing very much needs a super heavyweight division. Whereas the lighter weight classes are seperated by a ridiculous 3 pounds or so, and even light heavyweight now is only 15 pounds in parameter, and super middleweight a ridiculous 7 pounds, men weighing just over 200 really have no fair place in boxing today with the 6'6" and 7" giants dominating. Joshua would outweigh Pov. by about 30 pounds and is 4 inches taller. But just about everybody Pov. has fought has outweighed him. He fought Wlad in 2013, and as big a fan as I am of Wlad he was like an octopus holding on that night and the ref didn't do his job by warning him about that. Also I think Pov has gotten better since then.
"in addition to him growing in age and probably in addition to him consuming performance enhancing drugs (which I don't have a problem with in the 21st century)"
I agree with you. It is the corruption and hypocrisy (see my thread on doped up transvestites in amateur wrestling for instance...and then the whole Las Vegas VADA racket) in the drug testing that upsets me most.
"Now Wladimir Klitschko clearly has greater punching power than Alexander Povetkin. And although he managed to drop Anthony Joshua once with a single right hand, he found it difficult to finish Joshua off for the knockout and Anthony Joshua did manage to get up from the knockdown immediately and managed to absorb some other power punches that Wladimir Klitschko landed pretty well. Proving that he was able to absorb some of Wladimir Klitschko's power punches."
Wlad didn't try. He didn't go in for the kill. He said that he thought that Joshua was finished anyway, as did just about everybody at that point. In hindsight it was a huge mistake. Joshua's recuperative ability was extremely impressive and totally unexpected.
Most people didn't think Joshua looked that great against his last opponent, Takam. Both Povetkin and Joshua KO'd Takam in 10, but when Pov fought Takam in Oct 2014 Takam hadn't lost in 14 fights.
Anyway, I respect your comments, even though I disagree with you on some basic points.
Yes, I agree with your point about weight divisions. I don't think boxers like Alexander Povetkin and Carlos Takam should belong in the same weight division as someone as enormous, huge, gigantic and monstrous as Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Klitschko. I find that to be utterly ridiculous!
If you take a look at Alexander Povetkin vs Carlos Takam. We had two boxers that were relatively evenly matched in terms of size, fighting each other in a very competitive bout which wasn't predicated by a size / physical mismatch.
Likewise, if you take a look at Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua, we also had two boxers that were relatively evenly matched in terms of size, fighting each other in a very competitive bout which wasn't predicated by a size / physical mismatch.
Then you take a look at Alexander Povetkin vs Wladimir Klitschko. It was a total mismatch in which it didn't even look like Alexander Povetkin qualified as a worthy opponent for Wladimir Klitschko or deserved to even be in the same ring due to how helpless he looked due to being unable to overcome the size and physical strength disadvantage, no matter how hard he tried. Likewise, the same can be stated of Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam too which was another mismatch.
Yes, Wladimir Klitschko fouled against Alexander Povetkin but could Wladimir Klitschko ever foul using such tactics successfully and effectively against an opponent his own size, like Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury? Absolutely not! Yet again proving how Alexander Povetkin doesn't belong in the same weight division as a monster like Anthony Joshua.
Link me your thread of PED that you mentioned about so I can have a look. I agree! In the 21st century, I don't believe any human being from 1st world countries, never mind top athletes are 100% clean and natural.
The problem for Povetkin against Joshua isn't just size but also boxing abilities. Povetkin was able to beat less skilled heavyweights that are big in size by being significantly more skilled, which enabled him to overcome his size disadvantage. But what if he faces someone who is as skilled as him that is much bigger like Anthony Joshua? What hope does he have then? He could perhaps consume more performance enhancing drugs to become chemically more enhanced so that he can overcome his natural physical limitations I guess? That's the only solution I can think of.
I just think Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is a greater mismatch than say, Terence Crawford vs Gennady Golovkin or Vasyl Lomachenko vs Terence Crawford or Manny Pacquiao. Most individuals consider those bouts as mismatches but they deem bouts like Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua as acceptable. Which I find totally bizarre!
I like Povetkin and I met him in person. He is one of the most polite and respectful boxers I've ever met. He is probably my favorite 'heavyweight' of all time and this why I genuinely don't want to see him brutally hurt, knocked out and destroyed by someone like Anthony Joshua because that's the inevitable result if he ever fought Joshua. Which is why I want this bout to be condemned!
Povetkin most likely gets squeezed to death by Anthony Joshua or squashed until his body is splattered all over the ring. It'd be like watching a big bear (Anthony Joshua) killing a helpless mouse (Alexander Povetkin) inside a cage.
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i can respect that this is among the best hw resumes of the last 3 years, though i think aj and wilder both splat him. without that ped power hes merely good, maybe a bit better than pulev and parker.
Povetkin never took a PED.... VADA admitted this (very quietly) after they insinuated he did and "investigated." .... VADA nailed Bermane Stiverne for PED use and did NOTHING to discipline their boy for PED use beyond making him to pay fines..
Ortiz took a blood pressure med and VADA accused him of using it for a masking agent.. They used a different name for the drug on their banned list than appears on med vials -- so how can anybody check it against the list???? Ortiz offered to pay for expensive hair follicle testing to prove he’s not a PED user like Bermane Stiverne – a fat, uncoordinated pig who’s now had 2 World Title Fights with Wilder because he's an easy opponent... Ortiz is not the hooker who Wilder beat half to death in his hotel room... Ortiz knows what he's doing in the ring... Luis will give Deontay a taste of his own meds.
If you were referring to me as the "Povetkin fan". As someone who deems you as one of the 'better' posters in this forum. I wanted to respectfully ask out of curiosity as to WHY you think I don't sound like a Povetkin fan? I still stand by what I've already stated.
Also, do you genuinely believe there exists any athlete, especially at the top level that is 100% clean and 100% natural in the 21st century which is MOSTLY artificial and unnatural?
Using artificial chemicals for enhancing human capacity is the norm in the 21st century. Not just for athletes but also for average humans in 1st world countries.
What does it even mean for something to be considered a 'PED'? For all intents and purposes, caffeine, pain killers and paracetamols can also be classified as PED since they artificially enhance human capacity through chemical means. These are chemicals average human beings consume. The point at which PED or chemical becomes illegal is totally arbitrary and subjective. Meldonium is proven to be no more beneficial than legal PED, such as caffeine. Yet, Meldonium gets banned and is deemed as illegal whilst those other chemicals are deemed legal?
Even everyday products that average humans consume, such as beefs and fruits are pumped with artificial chemicals. Beefs in many countries are pumped with steroids. Ergo, anybody consuming such 'normal' food can be considered a PED user too.
So how exactly is it even possible to remain 100% clean and natural in a world that is mostly artificial and unnatural?
Let's not kid ourselves here! The question isn't: is boxer x or y consuming PED. The question is: should there be a problem with any athlete consuming PED in the 21st century and the answer is a RESOUNDING NO!
jamamb wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 22:03
joshua would beat down povetkin badly
Yup, they don't even belong in the same weight division. Size difference is too much! The sport of boxing must introduce a new weight division for small heavyweights like Povetkin and Carlos Takam. Alexander Povetkin has no business fighting against someone as monstrous and huge as Anthony Joshua. A total mismatch!
x2x wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 15:18
I agree with some of the things that you said, LF, except I think Povetkin has a very good shot at beating Joshua. I think he is far more skillful.
But as I keep saying boxing very much needs a super heavyweight division. Whereas the lighter weight classes are seperated by a ridiculous 3 pounds or so, and even light heavyweight now is only 15 pounds in parameter, and super middleweight a ridiculous 7 pounds, men weighing just over 200 really have no fair place in boxing today with the 6'6" and 7" giants dominating. Joshua would outweigh Pov. by about 30 pounds and is 4 inches taller. But just about everybody Pov. has fought has outweighed him. He fought Wlad in 2013, and as big a fan as I am of Wlad he was like an octopus holding on that night and the ref didn't do his job by warning him about that. Also I think Pov has gotten better since then.
"in addition to him growing in age and probably in addition to him consuming performance enhancing drugs (which I don't have a problem with in the 21st century)"
I agree with you. It is the corruption and hypocrisy (see my thread on doped up transvestites in amateur wrestling for instance...and then the whole Las Vegas VADA racket) in the drug testing that upsets me most.
"Now Wladimir Klitschko clearly has greater punching power than Alexander Povetkin. And although he managed to drop Anthony Joshua once with a single right hand, he found it difficult to finish Joshua off for the knockout and Anthony Joshua did manage to get up from the knockdown immediately and managed to absorb some other power punches that Wladimir Klitschko landed pretty well. Proving that he was able to absorb some of Wladimir Klitschko's power punches."
Wlad didn't try. He didn't go in for the kill. He said that he thought that Joshua was finished anyway, as did just about everybody at that point. In hindsight it was a huge mistake. Joshua's recuperative ability was extremely impressive and totally unexpected.
Most people didn't think Joshua looked that great against his last opponent, Takam. Both Povetkin and Joshua KO'd Takam in 10, but when Pov fought Takam in Oct 2014 Takam hadn't lost in 14 fights.
Anyway, I respect your comments, even though I disagree with you on some basic points.
Yes, I agree with your point about weight divisions. I don't think boxers like Alexander Povetkin and Carlos Takam should belong in the same weight division as someone as enormous, huge, gigantic and monstrous as Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Klitschko. I find that to be utterly ridiculous!
If you take a look at Alexander Povetkin vs Carlos Takam. We had two boxers that were relatively evenly matched in terms of size, fighting each other in a very competitive bout which wasn't predicated by a size / physical mismatch.
Likewise, if you take a look at Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua, we also had two boxers that were relatively evenly matched in terms of size, fighting each other in a very competitive bout which wasn't predicated by a size / physical mismatch.
Then you take a look at Alexander Povetkin vs Wladimir Klitschko. It was a total mismatch in which it didn't even look like Alexander Povetkin qualified as a worthy opponent for Wladimir Klitschko or deserved to even be in the same ring due to how helpless he looked due to being unable to overcome the size and physical strength disadvantage, no matter how hard he tried. Likewise, the same can be stated of Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam too which was another mismatch.
Yes, Wladimir Klitschko fouled against Alexander Povetkin but could Wladimir Klitschko ever foul using such tactics successfully and effectively against an opponent his own size, like Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury? Absolutely not! Yet again proving how Alexander Povetkin doesn't belong in the same weight division as a monster like Anthony Joshua.
Link me your thread of PED that you mentioned about so I can have a look. I agree! In the 21st century, I don't believe any human being from 1st world countries, never mind top athletes are 100% clean and natural.
The problem for Povetkin against Joshua isn't just size but also boxing abilities. Povetkin was able to beat less skilled heavyweights that are big in size by being significantly more skilled, which enabled him to overcome his size disadvantage. But what if he faces someone who is as skilled as him that is much bigger like Anthony Joshua? What hope does he have then? He could perhaps consume more performance enhancing drugs to become chemically more enhanced so that he can overcome his natural physical limitations I guess? That's the only solution I can think of.
I just think Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is a greater mismatch than say, Terence Crawford vs Gennady Golovkin or Vasyl Lomachenko vs Terence Crawford or Manny Pacquiao. Most individuals consider those bouts as mismatches but they deem bouts like Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua as acceptable. Which I find totally bizarre!
I like Povetkin and I met him in person. He is one of the most polite and respectful boxers I've ever met. He is probably my favorite 'heavyweight' of all time and this why I genuinely don't want to see him brutally hurt, knocked out and destroyed by someone like Anthony Joshua because that's the inevitable result if he ever fought Joshua. Which is why I want this bout to be condemned!
Povetkin most likely gets squeezed to death by Anthony Joshua or squashed until his body is splattered all over the ring. It'd be like watching a big bear (Anthony Joshua) killing a helpless mouse (Alexander Povetkin) inside a cage.
Povetkin isn't that small a heavyweight. He's around the same weight as Ali and Mike Tyson. I don't understand your "squeezed and squashed" comments. I think Pov beats Josh on the inside. Wilder too. But yes there's the unfair size advantage, and it only exists in the heavies, thanks to the irrational weight classifications. I think weight classes should be entirely redone and incremental by percentage.
Where did you meet him?
Yes, the distinction between what they call PED's and non PED vitamins and minerals and supplements and foods and whatnot is blurred and subject to partisan interpretation and enforcement, to put it mildly, and not just in 1st world countries.
x2x wrote: ↑22 Feb 2018, 15:18
I agree with some of the things that you said, LF, except I think Povetkin has a very good shot at beating Joshua. I think he is far more skillful.
But as I keep saying boxing very much needs a super heavyweight division. Whereas the lighter weight classes are seperated by a ridiculous 3 pounds or so, and even light heavyweight now is only 15 pounds in parameter, and super middleweight a ridiculous 7 pounds, men weighing just over 200 really have no fair place in boxing today with the 6'6" and 7" giants dominating. Joshua would outweigh Pov. by about 30 pounds and is 4 inches taller. But just about everybody Pov. has fought has outweighed him. He fought Wlad in 2013, and as big a fan as I am of Wlad he was like an octopus holding on that night and the ref didn't do his job by warning him about that. Also I think Pov has gotten better since then.
"in addition to him growing in age and probably in addition to him consuming performance enhancing drugs (which I don't have a problem with in the 21st century)"
I agree with you. It is the corruption and hypocrisy (see my thread on doped up transvestites in amateur wrestling for instance...and then the whole Las Vegas VADA racket) in the drug testing that upsets me most.
"Now Wladimir Klitschko clearly has greater punching power than Alexander Povetkin. And although he managed to drop Anthony Joshua once with a single right hand, he found it difficult to finish Joshua off for the knockout and Anthony Joshua did manage to get up from the knockdown immediately and managed to absorb some other power punches that Wladimir Klitschko landed pretty well. Proving that he was able to absorb some of Wladimir Klitschko's power punches."
Wlad didn't try. He didn't go in for the kill. He said that he thought that Joshua was finished anyway, as did just about everybody at that point. In hindsight it was a huge mistake. Joshua's recuperative ability was extremely impressive and totally unexpected.
Most people didn't think Joshua looked that great against his last opponent, Takam. Both Povetkin and Joshua KO'd Takam in 10, but when Pov fought Takam in Oct 2014 Takam hadn't lost in 14 fights.
Anyway, I respect your comments, even though I disagree with you on some basic points.
Yes, I agree with your point about weight divisions. I don't think boxers like Alexander Povetkin and Carlos Takam should belong in the same weight division as someone as enormous, huge, gigantic and monstrous as Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Klitschko. I find that to be utterly ridiculous!
If you take a look at Alexander Povetkin vs Carlos Takam. We had two boxers that were relatively evenly matched in terms of size, fighting each other in a very competitive bout which wasn't predicated by a size / physical mismatch.
Likewise, if you take a look at Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua, we also had two boxers that were relatively evenly matched in terms of size, fighting each other in a very competitive bout which wasn't predicated by a size / physical mismatch.
Then you take a look at Alexander Povetkin vs Wladimir Klitschko. It was a total mismatch in which it didn't even look like Alexander Povetkin qualified as a worthy opponent for Wladimir Klitschko or deserved to even be in the same ring due to how helpless he looked due to being unable to overcome the size and physical strength disadvantage, no matter how hard he tried. Likewise, the same can be stated of Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam too which was another mismatch.
Yes, Wladimir Klitschko fouled against Alexander Povetkin but could Wladimir Klitschko ever foul using such tactics successfully and effectively against an opponent his own size, like Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury? Absolutely not! Yet again proving how Alexander Povetkin doesn't belong in the same weight division as a monster like Anthony Joshua.
Link me your thread of PED that you mentioned about so I can have a look. I agree! In the 21st century, I don't believe any human being from 1st world countries, never mind top athletes are 100% clean and natural.
The problem for Povetkin against Joshua isn't just size but also boxing abilities. Povetkin was able to beat less skilled heavyweights that are big in size by being significantly more skilled, which enabled him to overcome his size disadvantage. But what if he faces someone who is as skilled as him that is much bigger like Anthony Joshua? What hope does he have then? He could perhaps consume more performance enhancing drugs to become chemically more enhanced so that he can overcome his natural physical limitations I guess? That's the only solution I can think of.
I just think Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is a greater mismatch than say, Terence Crawford vs Gennady Golovkin or Vasyl Lomachenko vs Terence Crawford or Manny Pacquiao. Most individuals consider those bouts as mismatches but they deem bouts like Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua as acceptable. Which I find totally bizarre!
I like Povetkin and I met him in person. He is one of the most polite and respectful boxers I've ever met. He is probably my favorite 'heavyweight' of all time and this why I genuinely don't want to see him brutally hurt, knocked out and destroyed by someone like Anthony Joshua because that's the inevitable result if he ever fought Joshua. Which is why I want this bout to be condemned!
Povetkin most likely gets squeezed to death by Anthony Joshua or squashed until his body is splattered all over the ring. It'd be like watching a big bear (Anthony Joshua) killing a helpless mouse (Alexander Povetkin) inside a cage.
Povetkin isn't that small a heavyweight. He's around the same weight as Ali and Mike Tyson. I don't understand your "squeezed and squashed" comments. I think Pov beats Josh on the inside. Wilder too. But yes there's the unfair size advantage, and it only exists in the heavies, thanks to the irrational weight classifications. I think weight classes should be entirely redone and incremental by percentage.
Where did you meet him?
Yes, the distinction between what they call PED's and non PED vitamins and minerals and supplements and foods and whatnot is blurred and subject to partisan interpretation and enforcement, to put it mildly, and not just in 1st world countries.
Do you believe the size of Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson would be sufficient to beat the giant athletic heavyweights like Anthony Joshua today? Did Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson ever beat giant athletic heavyweights at the level of Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury?
I personally believe Alexander Povetkin being around the same weight as Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson is actually one of the primary detriments to him being effective and successful against modern athletic super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua.
I personally believe if Alexander Povetkin competed in Mike Tyson's and Muhammad Ali's era, he would've been at the very least as successful as them. And if Mike Tyson was competing in today's era, he would be roughly as successful as Alexander Povetkin in his prime. Just the way I see it personally as of now!
By 'squeeze' and 'squash'. I mean Anthony Joshua is physically too big, too muscular and too strong for Alexander Povetkin to have much success. Anthony Joshua could literally man handle and control Povetkin using his physical strength, to the point where he can maneuver Povetkin to wherever he wants in the ring. He could also use this advantage of having bigger muscles and more body mass to weaken Povetkin to the point of 'squeezing' him to defeat by grappling / holding him and pressuring Povetkin with his greater body mass / bigger muscles. Especially of Povetkin tries to fight on the inside against Anthony Joshua - who would be Povetkin's physically strongest opponent. This would lead to Povetkin getting 'squeezed' to death and 'squashed' by Joshua's significantly superior physical body strength and power.
And due to Anthony Joshua's significantly bigger physical and muscular size, I think he is too durable for Povetkin to get a knockout easily. I fear Joshua might even be able to walk through some of Povetkin's punches if Povetkin's punches aren't powerful enough to dissuade Joshua. Povetkin clearly struggles to hurt bigger sized opponents like he proved against Christian Hammer and he usually needs to grind such opponents down. But it's one thing to grind down a big sized opponent who isn't a power puncher like Christian Hammer and it's another thing to grind down an even bigger sized boxer like Anthony Joshua who is actually a knockout artist with tremendous punching power. Things look very bad for Alexander Povetkin at this point.
Question is, can Alexander Povetkin even beat David Price, never mind Anthony Joshua since Price is another big sized knockout artist. And I'm not even sure if Povetkin succeeds against Price. As much as I love watching Povetkin. I think he is better off at cruiser weight today fighting against cruiser weights or against small heavyweights like David Haye, rather than against giants like Joshua or Price.
I met Alexander Povetkin in Germany back in 2012. He's very humble and polite. A lot like Anthony Joshua.
I think this is a more dangerous fight for Alexander Povetkin than it is for Anthony Joshua. And if anybody should stay away, it's Povetkin that needs to stay away from Joshua than vice versa. Since Povetkin's life and health is literally at risk and it's very likely years from his life can be decreased if he fights and takes damage from a super heavyweight who is as strong and powerful as Anthony Joshua. It really does seem like a mismatch!
What makes it worse is Alexander Povetkin is too brave, courageous and gutsy for his own good since he never backs down from a fight and is always willing to come forward to give as much as possible whilst putting himself at huge risk which is EXTREMELY dangerous against someone like Anthony Johsua. More so than weaker punchers that he faced before. And I doubt a warrior like Povetkin is ever going to fight in 'survival' mode or run away against any opponent. Which is how Carlos Takam managed to survive as long as he did against Joshua and how Canelo Alvarez survived against Gennady Golovkin.
As someone who is a huge fan of Alexander Sasha Povetkin, I want to believe Povetkin could beat Anthony Joshua. But I just don't see any rational or logical way he could win in this match up. And all I can imagine is my boy Povetkin getting physically demolished and having years from his life decreased by Anthony Joshua if he takes this fight.
I personally don't want Povetkin to go on with this fight for his own safety but I have a feeling Povetkin is too brave and gutsy for his own good and will take this fight and get destroyed like a warrior in the process.
How do you think Povetkin beats Joshua on the inside? How does he overcome the physical strength, physical size, muscular size and power disadvantage? I'd like to read your thoughts on this!
Thanks for taking the time to read and for your input in advance!
Yes, I agree with your point about weight divisions. I don't think boxers like Alexander Povetkin and Carlos Takam should belong in the same weight division as someone as enormous, huge, gigantic and monstrous as Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Klitschko. I find that to be utterly ridiculous!
If you take a look at Alexander Povetkin vs Carlos Takam. We had two boxers that were relatively evenly matched in terms of size, fighting each other in a very competitive bout which wasn't predicated by a size / physical mismatch.
Likewise, if you take a look at Wladimir Klitschko vs Anthony Joshua, we also had two boxers that were relatively evenly matched in terms of size, fighting each other in a very competitive bout which wasn't predicated by a size / physical mismatch.
Then you take a look at Alexander Povetkin vs Wladimir Klitschko. It was a total mismatch in which it didn't even look like Alexander Povetkin qualified as a worthy opponent for Wladimir Klitschko or deserved to even be in the same ring due to how helpless he looked due to being unable to overcome the size and physical strength disadvantage, no matter how hard he tried. Likewise, the same can be stated of Anthony Joshua vs Carlos Takam too which was another mismatch.
Yes, Wladimir Klitschko fouled against Alexander Povetkin but could Wladimir Klitschko ever foul using such tactics successfully and effectively against an opponent his own size, like Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury? Absolutely not! Yet again proving how Alexander Povetkin doesn't belong in the same weight division as a monster like Anthony Joshua.
Link me your thread of PED that you mentioned about so I can have a look. I agree! In the 21st century, I don't believe any human being from 1st world countries, never mind top athletes are 100% clean and natural.
The problem for Povetkin against Joshua isn't just size but also boxing abilities. Povetkin was able to beat less skilled heavyweights that are big in size by being significantly more skilled, which enabled him to overcome his size disadvantage. But what if he faces someone who is as skilled as him that is much bigger like Anthony Joshua? What hope does he have then? He could perhaps consume more performance enhancing drugs to become chemically more enhanced so that he can overcome his natural physical limitations I guess? That's the only solution I can think of.
I just think Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is a greater mismatch than say, Terence Crawford vs Gennady Golovkin or Vasyl Lomachenko vs Terence Crawford or Manny Pacquiao. Most individuals consider those bouts as mismatches but they deem bouts like Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua as acceptable. Which I find totally bizarre!
I like Povetkin and I met him in person. He is one of the most polite and respectful boxers I've ever met. He is probably my favorite 'heavyweight' of all time and this why I genuinely don't want to see him brutally hurt, knocked out and destroyed by someone like Anthony Joshua because that's the inevitable result if he ever fought Joshua. Which is why I want this bout to be condemned!
Povetkin most likely gets squeezed to death by Anthony Joshua or squashed until his body is splattered all over the ring. It'd be like watching a big bear (Anthony Joshua) killing a helpless mouse (Alexander Povetkin) inside a cage.
Povetkin isn't that small a heavyweight. He's around the same weight as Ali and Mike Tyson. I don't understand your "squeezed and squashed" comments. I think Pov beats Josh on the inside. Wilder too. But yes there's the unfair size advantage, and it only exists in the heavies, thanks to the irrational weight classifications. I think weight classes should be entirely redone and incremental by percentage.
Where did you meet him?
Yes, the distinction between what they call PED's and non PED vitamins and minerals and supplements and foods and whatnot is blurred and subject to partisan interpretation and enforcement, to put it mildly, and not just in 1st world countries.
Do you believe the size of Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson would be sufficient to beat the giant athletic heavyweights like Anthony Joshua today? Did Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson ever beat giant athletic heavyweights at the level of Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury?
I personally believe Alexander Povetkin being around the same weight as Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson is actually one of the primary detriments to him being effective and successful against modern athletic super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua.
I personally believe if Alexander Povetkin competed in Mike Tyson's and Muhammad Ali's era, he would've been at the very least as successful as them. And if Mike Tyson was competing in today's era, he would be roughly as successful as Alexander Povetkin in his prime. Just the way I see it personally as of now!
By 'squeeze' and 'squash'. I mean Anthony Joshua is physically too big, too muscular and too strong for Alexander Povetkin to have much success. Anthony Joshua could literally man handle and control Povetkin using his physical strength, to the point where he can maneuver Povetkin to wherever he wants in the ring. He could also use this advantage of having bigger muscles and more body mass to weaken Povetkin to the point of 'squeezing' him to defeat by grappling / holding him and pressuring Povetkin with his greater body mass / bigger muscles. Especially of Povetkin tries to fight on the inside against Anthony Joshua - who would be Povetkin's physically strongest opponent. This would lead to Povetkin getting 'squeezed' to death and 'squashed' by Joshua's significantly superior physical body strength and power.
And due to Anthony Joshua's significantly bigger physical and muscular size, I think he is too durable for Povetkin to get a knockout easily. I fear Joshua might even be able to walk through some of Povetkin's punches if Povetkin's punches aren't powerful enough to dissuade Joshua. Povetkin clearly struggles to hurt bigger sized opponents like he proved against Christian Hammer and he usually needs to grind such opponents down. But it's one thing to grind down a big sized opponent who isn't a power puncher like Christian Hammer and it's another thing to grind down an even bigger sized boxer like Anthony Joshua who is actually a knockout artist with tremendous punching power. Things look very bad for Alexander Povetkin at this point.
Question is, can Alexander Povetkin even beat David Price, never mind Anthony Joshua since Price is another big sized knockout artist. And I'm not even sure if Povetkin succeeds against Price. As much as I love watching Povetkin. I think he is better off at cruiser weight today fighting against cruiser weights or against small heavyweights like David Haye, rather than against giants like Joshua or Price.
I met Alexander Povetkin in Germany back in 2012. He's very humble and polite. A lot like Anthony Joshua.
I think this is a more dangerous fight for Alexander Povetkin than it is for Anthony Joshua. And if anybody should stay away, it's Povetkin that needs to stay away from Joshua than vice versa. Since Povetkin's life and health is literally at risk and it's very likely years from his life can be decreased if he fights and takes damage from a super heavyweight who is as strong and powerful as Anthony Joshua. It really does seem like a mismatch!
What makes it worse is Alexander Povetkin is too brave, courageous and gutsy for his own good since he never backs down from a fight and is always willing to come forward to give as much as possible whilst putting himself at huge risk which is EXTREMELY dangerous against someone like Anthony Johsua. More so than weaker punchers that he faced before. And I doubt a warrior like Povetkin is ever going to fight in 'survival' mode or run away against any opponent. Which is how Carlos Takam managed to survive as long as he did against Joshua and how Canelo Alvarez survived against Gennady Golovkin.
As someone who is a huge fan of Alexander Sasha Povetkin, I want to believe Povetkin could beat Anthony Joshua. But I just don't see any rational or logical way he could win in this match up. And all I can imagine is my boy Povetkin getting physically demolished and having years from his life decreased by Anthony Joshua if he takes this fight.
I personally don't want Povetkin to go on with this fight for his own safety but I have a feeling Povetkin is too brave and gutsy for his own good and will take this fight and get destroyed like a warrior in the process.
How do you think Povetkin beats Joshua on the inside? How does he overcome the physical strength, physical size, muscular size and power disadvantage? I'd like to read your thoughts on this!
Thanks for taking the time to read and for your input in advance!
Like he did with Wlad. He didn't stand there diddling around with jabs. With a bigger guy you have to go inside. I started watching this fight to refresh my memory. I thought Pov narrowly won round one and then I got as far as the knockdown - really a slip i think - at the end of round two.
The unfair size difference amongst heavies was even more egregious in my case. When I was messing with boxing I was 6' and trimmed down to 205, 210 at the most. These giants would have outweighed me by 25%. That would be the same as a 160 pound fighter fighting a 200 pound fighter. Nevertheless I felt that I could KO anyone if I landed, and I think Pov can too. If the fight ever happens we can bet on it, brother, and you can give me the appropriate odds you see fit. Let your conscience be your guide!
Povetkin isn't that small a heavyweight. He's around the same weight as Ali and Mike Tyson. I don't understand your "squeezed and squashed" comments. I think Pov beats Josh on the inside. Wilder too. But yes there's the unfair size advantage, and it only exists in the heavies, thanks to the irrational weight classifications. I think weight classes should be entirely redone and incremental by percentage.
Where did you meet him?
Yes, the distinction between what they call PED's and non PED vitamins and minerals and supplements and foods and whatnot is blurred and subject to partisan interpretation and enforcement, to put it mildly, and not just in 1st world countries.
Do you believe the size of Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson would be sufficient to beat the giant athletic heavyweights like Anthony Joshua today? Did Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson ever beat giant athletic heavyweights at the level of Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury?
I personally believe Alexander Povetkin being around the same weight as Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson is actually one of the primary detriments to him being effective and successful against modern athletic super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua.
I personally believe if Alexander Povetkin competed in Mike Tyson's and Muhammad Ali's era, he would've been at the very least as successful as them. And if Mike Tyson was competing in today's era, he would be roughly as successful as Alexander Povetkin in his prime. Just the way I see it personally as of now!
By 'squeeze' and 'squash'. I mean Anthony Joshua is physically too big, too muscular and too strong for Alexander Povetkin to have much success. Anthony Joshua could literally man handle and control Povetkin using his physical strength, to the point where he can maneuver Povetkin to wherever he wants in the ring. He could also use this advantage of having bigger muscles and more body mass to weaken Povetkin to the point of 'squeezing' him to defeat by grappling / holding him and pressuring Povetkin with his greater body mass / bigger muscles. Especially of Povetkin tries to fight on the inside against Anthony Joshua - who would be Povetkin's physically strongest opponent. This would lead to Povetkin getting 'squeezed' to death and 'squashed' by Joshua's significantly superior physical body strength and power.
And due to Anthony Joshua's significantly bigger physical and muscular size, I think he is too durable for Povetkin to get a knockout easily. I fear Joshua might even be able to walk through some of Povetkin's punches if Povetkin's punches aren't powerful enough to dissuade Joshua. Povetkin clearly struggles to hurt bigger sized opponents like he proved against Christian Hammer and he usually needs to grind such opponents down. But it's one thing to grind down a big sized opponent who isn't a power puncher like Christian Hammer and it's another thing to grind down an even bigger sized boxer like Anthony Joshua who is actually a knockout artist with tremendous punching power. Things look very bad for Alexander Povetkin at this point.
Question is, can Alexander Povetkin even beat David Price, never mind Anthony Joshua since Price is another big sized knockout artist. And I'm not even sure if Povetkin succeeds against Price. As much as I love watching Povetkin. I think he is better off at cruiser weight today fighting against cruiser weights or against small heavyweights like David Haye, rather than against giants like Joshua or Price.
I met Alexander Povetkin in Germany back in 2012. He's very humble and polite. A lot like Anthony Joshua.
I think this is a more dangerous fight for Alexander Povetkin than it is for Anthony Joshua. And if anybody should stay away, it's Povetkin that needs to stay away from Joshua than vice versa. Since Povetkin's life and health is literally at risk and it's very likely years from his life can be decreased if he fights and takes damage from a super heavyweight who is as strong and powerful as Anthony Joshua. It really does seem like a mismatch!
What makes it worse is Alexander Povetkin is too brave, courageous and gutsy for his own good since he never backs down from a fight and is always willing to come forward to give as much as possible whilst putting himself at huge risk which is EXTREMELY dangerous against someone like Anthony Johsua. More so than weaker punchers that he faced before. And I doubt a warrior like Povetkin is ever going to fight in 'survival' mode or run away against any opponent. Which is how Carlos Takam managed to survive as long as he did against Joshua and how Canelo Alvarez survived against Gennady Golovkin.
As someone who is a huge fan of Alexander Sasha Povetkin, I want to believe Povetkin could beat Anthony Joshua. But I just don't see any rational or logical way he could win in this match up. And all I can imagine is my boy Povetkin getting physically demolished and having years from his life decreased by Anthony Joshua if he takes this fight.
I personally don't want Povetkin to go on with this fight for his own safety but I have a feeling Povetkin is too brave and gutsy for his own good and will take this fight and get destroyed like a warrior in the process.
How do you think Povetkin beats Joshua on the inside? How does he overcome the physical strength, physical size, muscular size and power disadvantage? I'd like to read your thoughts on this!
Thanks for taking the time to read and for your input in advance!
Like he did with Wlad. He didn't stand there diddling around with jabs. With a bigger guy you have to go inside. I started watching this fight to refresh my memory. I thought Pov narrowly won round one and then I got as far as the knockdown - really a slip i think - at the end of round two.
The unfair size difference amongst heavies was even more egregious in my case. When I was messing with boxing I was 6' and trimmed down to 205, 210 at the most. These giants would have outweighed me by 25%. That would be the same as a 160 pound fighter fighting a 200 pound fighter. Nevertheless I felt that I could KO anyone if I landed, and I think Pov can too. If the fight ever happens we can bet on it, brother, and you can give me the appropriate odds you see fit. Let your conscience be your guide!
I don't want to bet on it because Sasha Povetkin is my favorite heavyweight of all time and I would be supporting him over any current heavyweight if he fought them. Even against opponents that I believe he would lose to. I believe he could beat Deontay Wilder because he isn't that big or strong. But Anthony Joshua is a different case!
Do you think at age 38, he is still young enough to pull off a victory against prime Anthony Joshua?
There are other questions that need to be answered. For example:
- How would Alexander Povetkin successfully overcome Anthony Joshua's grappling tactics if he attempted to use those same tactics that Wladimir Klitschko employed against Alexander Povetkin and if the referee allowed it to happen again?
- Even if Anthony Joshua doesn't employ the grappling tactic that Wladimir Klitschko employed and instead decided to trade punches with Alexander Povetkin. Anthony Joshua being physically the much bigger man, the much stronger man and the much more powerful man. Can Alexander Povetkin cope with Joshua's greater power, strength and size without getting destroyed himself in the process? I feel the greater power, size and strength that Joshua possesses over Povetkin may lead to him being able to inflict more damage on Povetkin than vice versa.
As one of Alexander Povetkin's biggest fans. I want to believe and convince myself that Alexander Povetkin could somehow manage to beat Anthony Joshua. But I'm struggling at the moment! I would be as happy as anybody to see Alexander Povetkin pulling off a victory against Anthony Joshua. But at the same time, it would be heartbreaking to see a great boxer like Alexander Povetkin getting badly beaten and clobbered to defeat by a much younger, bigger, stronger and more powerful boxer in Anthony Joshua. I don't want to see that happening! The same happened to Mike Tyson against Lennox Lewis and it was heartbreaking and upsetting to watch!
After all the nonsense Alexander Povetkin had to suffer with the drug testing and long lay offs. I believe he deserves the best he can get now!
Do you believe the size of Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson would be sufficient to beat the giant athletic heavyweights like Anthony Joshua today? Did Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson ever beat giant athletic heavyweights at the level of Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury?
I personally believe Alexander Povetkin being around the same weight as Muhammad Ali and Mike Tyson is actually one of the primary detriments to him being effective and successful against modern athletic super heavyweights like Anthony Joshua.
I personally believe if Alexander Povetkin competed in Mike Tyson's and Muhammad Ali's era, he would've been at the very least as successful as them. And if Mike Tyson was competing in today's era, he would be roughly as successful as Alexander Povetkin in his prime. Just the way I see it personally as of now!
By 'squeeze' and 'squash'. I mean Anthony Joshua is physically too big, too muscular and too strong for Alexander Povetkin to have much success. Anthony Joshua could literally man handle and control Povetkin using his physical strength, to the point where he can maneuver Povetkin to wherever he wants in the ring. He could also use this advantage of having bigger muscles and more body mass to weaken Povetkin to the point of 'squeezing' him to defeat by grappling / holding him and pressuring Povetkin with his greater body mass / bigger muscles. Especially of Povetkin tries to fight on the inside against Anthony Joshua - who would be Povetkin's physically strongest opponent. This would lead to Povetkin getting 'squeezed' to death and 'squashed' by Joshua's significantly superior physical body strength and power.
And due to Anthony Joshua's significantly bigger physical and muscular size, I think he is too durable for Povetkin to get a knockout easily. I fear Joshua might even be able to walk through some of Povetkin's punches if Povetkin's punches aren't powerful enough to dissuade Joshua. Povetkin clearly struggles to hurt bigger sized opponents like he proved against Christian Hammer and he usually needs to grind such opponents down. But it's one thing to grind down a big sized opponent who isn't a power puncher like Christian Hammer and it's another thing to grind down an even bigger sized boxer like Anthony Joshua who is actually a knockout artist with tremendous punching power. Things look very bad for Alexander Povetkin at this point.
Question is, can Alexander Povetkin even beat David Price, never mind Anthony Joshua since Price is another big sized knockout artist. And I'm not even sure if Povetkin succeeds against Price. As much as I love watching Povetkin. I think he is better off at cruiser weight today fighting against cruiser weights or against small heavyweights like David Haye, rather than against giants like Joshua or Price.
I met Alexander Povetkin in Germany back in 2012. He's very humble and polite. A lot like Anthony Joshua.
I think this is a more dangerous fight for Alexander Povetkin than it is for Anthony Joshua. And if anybody should stay away, it's Povetkin that needs to stay away from Joshua than vice versa. Since Povetkin's life and health is literally at risk and it's very likely years from his life can be decreased if he fights and takes damage from a super heavyweight who is as strong and powerful as Anthony Joshua. It really does seem like a mismatch!
What makes it worse is Alexander Povetkin is too brave, courageous and gutsy for his own good since he never backs down from a fight and is always willing to come forward to give as much as possible whilst putting himself at huge risk which is EXTREMELY dangerous against someone like Anthony Johsua. More so than weaker punchers that he faced before. And I doubt a warrior like Povetkin is ever going to fight in 'survival' mode or run away against any opponent. Which is how Carlos Takam managed to survive as long as he did against Joshua and how Canelo Alvarez survived against Gennady Golovkin.
As someone who is a huge fan of Alexander Sasha Povetkin, I want to believe Povetkin could beat Anthony Joshua. But I just don't see any rational or logical way he could win in this match up. And all I can imagine is my boy Povetkin getting physically demolished and having years from his life decreased by Anthony Joshua if he takes this fight.
I personally don't want Povetkin to go on with this fight for his own safety but I have a feeling Povetkin is too brave and gutsy for his own good and will take this fight and get destroyed like a warrior in the process.
How do you think Povetkin beats Joshua on the inside? How does he overcome the physical strength, physical size, muscular size and power disadvantage? I'd like to read your thoughts on this!
Thanks for taking the time to read and for your input in advance!
Like he did with Wlad. He didn't stand there diddling around with jabs. With a bigger guy you have to go inside. I started watching this fight to refresh my memory. I thought Pov narrowly won round one and then I got as far as the knockdown - really a slip i think - at the end of round two.
The unfair size difference amongst heavies was even more egregious in my case. When I was messing with boxing I was 6' and trimmed down to 205, 210 at the most. These giants would have outweighed me by 25%. That would be the same as a 160 pound fighter fighting a 200 pound fighter. Nevertheless I felt that I could KO anyone if I landed, and I think Pov can too. If the fight ever happens we can bet on it, brother, and you can give me the appropriate odds you see fit. Let your conscience be your guide!
I don't want to bet on it because Sasha Povetkin is my favorite heavyweight of all time and I would be supporting him over any current heavyweight if he fought them. Even against opponents that I believe he would lose to. I believe he could beat Deontay Wilder because he isn't that big or strong. But Anthony Joshua is a different case!
Do you think at age 38, he is still young enough to pull off a victory against prime Anthony Joshua?
There are other questions that need to be answered. For example:
- How would Alexander Povetkin successfully overcome Anthony Joshua's grappling tactics if he attempted to use those same tactics that Wladimir Klitschko employed against Alexander Povetkin and if the referee allowed it to happen again?
- Even if Anthony Joshua doesn't employ the grappling tactic that Wladimir Klitschko employed and instead decided to trade punches with Alexander Povetkin. Anthony Joshua being physically the much bigger man, the much stronger man and the much more powerful man. Can Alexander Povetkin cope with Joshua's greater power, strength and size without getting destroyed himself in the process? I feel the greater power, size and strength that Joshua possesses over Povetkin may lead to him being able to inflict more damage on Povetkin than vice versa.
As one of Alexander Povetkin's biggest fans. I want to believe and convince myself that Alexander Povetkin could somehow manage to beat Anthony Joshua. But I'm struggling at the moment! I would be as happy as anybody to see Alexander Povetkin pulling off a victory against Anthony Joshua. But at the same time, it would be heartbreaking to see a great boxer like Alexander Povetkin getting badly beaten and clobbered to defeat by a much younger, bigger, stronger and more powerful boxer in Anthony Joshua. I don't want to see that happening! The same happened to Mike Tyson against Lennox Lewis and it was heartbreaking and upsetting to watch!
After all the nonsense Alexander Povetkin had to suffer with the drug testing and long lay offs. I believe he deserves the best he can get now!
Hey, Luis - As always your posts and points of argument are good. I watched the whole Pov-Wlad fight again. I have boxing amnesia. I watch fights and then forget all the details if not the whole thing. Maybe because it's really so inconsequential in the worldwide scheme of things - or maybe because i'm spacy and just forget stuff ha ha!
Well anyway, now i am more convinced than ever that Povetkin is the best heavyweight. Read the comments under that video. Many feel that Pov should have been the winner and Wlad should have been disqualified. The ref didn't do his job. He finally deducted a single point from Wlad who was wrestling and pushing all night long. Im a big fan of Wlad, right from when i first saw him, but that was his most disgraceful fight. He should have been warned repeatedly and then dq'd.
If Pov fights Joshua it will almost certainly be in the UK, and the ref will probably make that clown look fair by comparison, like Mills Lane by comparison...they dont make refs like that anymore!
So how will he cope with Joshua's superior size and possibly emulating Wlad's WWE tactics? He'll have a plan based on his experience with Wlad. He wasn't able to fight on the inside against Wlad who immediately would grab him and drape his body over him and push him down and shove him. As for Joshua's big punch, like i said before he didn't stand around waiting for Wlad to clock him either, or jab him to death with his piledriver jabs - Wlad has the best jab ever and even though he wasnt able to connect with it often because Pov didnt hang out in the range where it would be effective, he still managed to hurt Povetkin's face with it. Deadly jab Wlad has. So many of Wlad's oponents blustering about how they'll moider duh bum suddenly awaken to the fact that they'd rather be someplace else when Wlad's jab starts connecting, but Pov mostly evaded it. He fought a very smart fight, and he was up against Wlad fighting dirty all night long and a ref who let him get away with it.
Yeah, 38 is geting on in boxer years, which are close to dog years as opposed to human years, but heavyweights relying a lot on power can go longer than those relying on speed, and Pov is a power guy not a slick speedster. It will be a good fight. I hope they let it happen and don't try to sic their Las Vegas drug planters, or the UK equivalent, on him again, and don't wait until he's much older. The "Omigod they use drugs!" schtick is a popular thing to do to Russian athletes now, now that there are sinister powers trying to start the cold war again, make it 1952 all over again, if not start a very lucrative and excess population reducing WW3. The size difference between P and W was not that fundamental, with the exception of Wlad using his size advantage in his wrestling tactics. I pick Pov to defeat Joshua.
What did you think of the knockdown in round two? Did you think it was a delayed reaction to a punch or just a slip or a combination of both? I think it should have been ruled a slip.
Like he did with Wlad. He didn't stand there diddling around with jabs. With a bigger guy you have to go inside. I started watching this fight to refresh my memory. I thought Pov narrowly won round one and then I got as far as the knockdown - really a slip i think - at the end of round two.
The unfair size difference amongst heavies was even more egregious in my case. When I was messing with boxing I was 6' and trimmed down to 205, 210 at the most. These giants would have outweighed me by 25%. That would be the same as a 160 pound fighter fighting a 200 pound fighter. Nevertheless I felt that I could KO anyone if I landed, and I think Pov can too. If the fight ever happens we can bet on it, brother, and you can give me the appropriate odds you see fit. Let your conscience be your guide!
I don't want to bet on it because Sasha Povetkin is my favorite heavyweight of all time and I would be supporting him over any current heavyweight if he fought them. Even against opponents that I believe he would lose to. I believe he could beat Deontay Wilder because he isn't that big or strong. But Anthony Joshua is a different case!
Do you think at age 38, he is still young enough to pull off a victory against prime Anthony Joshua?
There are other questions that need to be answered. For example:
- How would Alexander Povetkin successfully overcome Anthony Joshua's grappling tactics if he attempted to use those same tactics that Wladimir Klitschko employed against Alexander Povetkin and if the referee allowed it to happen again?
- Even if Anthony Joshua doesn't employ the grappling tactic that Wladimir Klitschko employed and instead decided to trade punches with Alexander Povetkin. Anthony Joshua being physically the much bigger man, the much stronger man and the much more powerful man. Can Alexander Povetkin cope with Joshua's greater power, strength and size without getting destroyed himself in the process? I feel the greater power, size and strength that Joshua possesses over Povetkin may lead to him being able to inflict more damage on Povetkin than vice versa.
As one of Alexander Povetkin's biggest fans. I want to believe and convince myself that Alexander Povetkin could somehow manage to beat Anthony Joshua. But I'm struggling at the moment! I would be as happy as anybody to see Alexander Povetkin pulling off a victory against Anthony Joshua. But at the same time, it would be heartbreaking to see a great boxer like Alexander Povetkin getting badly beaten and clobbered to defeat by a much younger, bigger, stronger and more powerful boxer in Anthony Joshua. I don't want to see that happening! The same happened to Mike Tyson against Lennox Lewis and it was heartbreaking and upsetting to watch!
After all the nonsense Alexander Povetkin had to suffer with the drug testing and long lay offs. I believe he deserves the best he can get now!
Hey, Luis - As always your posts and points of argument are good. I watched the whole Pov-Wlad fight again. I have boxing amnesia. I watch fights and then forget all the details if not the whole thing. Maybe because it's really so inconsequential in the worldwide scheme of things - or maybe because i'm spacy and just forget stuff ha ha!
Well anyway, now i am more convinced than ever that Povetkin is the best heavyweight. Read the comments under that video. Many feel that Pov should have been the winner and Wlad should have been disqualified. The ref didn't do his job. He finally deducted a single point from Wlad who was wrestling and pushing all night long. Im a big fan of Wlad, right from when i first saw him, but that was his most disgraceful fight. He should have been warned repeatedly and then dq'd.
If Pov fights Joshua it will almost certainly be in the UK, and the ref will probably make that clown look fair by comparison, like Mills Lane by comparison...they dont make refs like that anymore!
So how will he cope with Joshua's superior size and possibly emulating Wlad's WWE tactics? He'll have a plan based on his experience with Wlad. He wasn't able to fight on the inside against Wlad who immediately would grab him and drape his body over him and push him down and shove him. As for Joshua's big punch, like i said before he didn't stand around waiting for Wlad to clock him either, or jab him to death with his piledriver jabs - Wlad has the best jab ever and even though he wasnt able to connect with it often because Pov didnt hang out in the range where it would be effective, he still managed to hurt Povetkin's face with it. Deadly jab Wlad has. So many of Wlad's oponents blustering about how they'll moider duh bum suddenly awaken to the fact that they'd rather be someplace else when Wlad's jab starts connecting, but Pov mostly evaded it. He fought a very smart fight, and he was up against Wlad fighting dirty all night long and a ref who let him get away with it.
Yeah, 38 is geting on in boxer years, which are close to dog years as opposed to human years, but heavyweights relying a lot on power can go longer than those relying on speed, and Pov is a power guy not a slick speedster. It will be a good fight. I hope they let it happen and don't try to sic their Las Vegas drug planters, or the UK equivalent, on him again, and don't wait until he's much older. The "Omigod they use drugs!" schtick is a popular thing to do to Russian athletes now, now that there are sinister powers trying to start the cold war again, make it 1952 all over again, if not start a very lucrative and excess population reducing WW3. The size difference between P and W was not that fundamental, with the exception of Wlad using his size advantage in his wrestling tactics. I pick Pov to defeat Joshua.
What did you think of the knockdown in round two? Did you think it was a delayed reaction to a punch or just a slip or a combination of both? I think it should have been ruled a slip.
Thanks! I enjoy discussing about boxing with posters like you in a civilized manner whilst sharing informative ideas.
Pound for pound, I have no doubts that Alexander Povetkin is the most skilled heavyweight in the world and he obviously has to be. Considering that he is the smallest in size, compared to the other 'top 5' members.
Thanks for answering the questions I asked.
I'm still trying to decide whether there should be two different weight divisions separating 'small' heavyweights like Alexander Povetkin, Carlos Takam and David Haye from 'SUPER' heavyweights like Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and the Klitschkos. What do you think? A possible weight division from 200 - 220 / 225 pounds should be called 'mini heavyweight' and a weight division from 225 pounds+ should be called 'SUPER heavyweight'. Do you think this should happen!
I've seen too many mismatches lately in the heavyweight to not consider this idea. Which is between small heavyweights and super heavyweights. But maybe if Alexander Povetkin could beat Anthony Joshua, along with some other boxers his size beating super heavyweights like Joshua and Fury consistently enough, It may cause me to reconsider this idea.
Can you see a boxer with the dimensions of Alexander Povetkin ever becoming the number one heavyweight in the world like Anthony Joshua or Wladimir Klitschko became whilst boxers like them are also present in the heavyweight division?
This is why I hope, as much as anybody in a Povetkin victory over Joshua.
Anthony Joshua can obviously fight on the inside unlike Wlad. So do you think Povetkin can still beat Joshua if both Povetkin and Joshua are trading and exchanging punches on the inside (like Evander Holyfield - Riddick Bowe)? As in, would Povetkin be tough enough to take punches from the bigger, stronger and more powerful Joshua whilst being able to damage Joshua enough at the same time? Considering Carlos Takam could barely even hurt Joshua with his best punches. That was my point! Even if Povetkin isn't waiting around on the outside and immediately charges to the inside. Could he still have success if Joshua decides to exchange punches on the inside without clinching?
I think you underestimate Povetkin's boxing abilities if you think he isn't fast and slick for a heavyweight because he is. His hand speed and elusive movement is very good. It's not easy to catch him very clean and he punches with very fast, accurate, sharp and explosive combinations.
I agree, I hope none of the drug testing fiasco occurs again and this fight takes place ASAP if it does take place.
Do you think Alexander Povetkin has the energy to compete at the high intensity required to beat Anthony Joshua at this age? And can he pull the trigger? Because these are the question marks as they were when Wlad fought Joshua. Wladimir Klitschko either failed to pull the trigger when he had Joshua hurt due to his abilities declining due to aging. Or he simply intended not to on purpose for whatever reason. And obviously his body wasn't also as fresh as the younger Joshua to compete at the highest level for full 12 rounds.
The question is, would Povetkin suffer from the same problems?
In regards to the knockdown. I believe that particular one was the only legitimate knockdown whilst the rest were all nonsensical. Povetkin may have slipped, but a punch was initially landed before the knockdown occurred so per rules, it was a legitimate knockdown.
However, I do think he may have been slightly hurt by that left hook though. He walked right into that left hook and Wladimir Klitschko has arguably the most powerful left hook in boxing history. That's his most powerful punch in my opinion. And considering what Wlad did to the likes of Eddie Chambers and Kubrat Pulev with his left hooks. There's no shame in going down from a Wladimir Klitschko left hook.
Check out my earlier posts. Irrational weight divisions, especially in the heavies, is my number one boxing pet peeve except for the pervasive corruption which is number one by far. Like i said before, I'd like to see the antiquated and irrational boxing weight classifications completely revamped and set up in a rational way by percentage increments.
Can Povetkin beat Joshua? I don't know. I'd like him too, and i think he can, and more so I'd like him to have the opportunity. He has earned it, and he earned it legitimately, not by shooting off his mouth and a lot of set up fights (like you know who). I'm not like all these guys who get on here and announce that so and so will beat up so and so. I don't know the future. Also it's bad medicine to assume anything and discount anything. Price is assumed to be a sure win, but Price can hit very hard. After - gods willing - he beats Price then we will talk about it. Also Joshua has to get past undefeated Parker next month.
You are right, Pov is very slick and plenty fast and extremely skilled. What i was trying to say, but didn't say very well, was that i don't think Pov relies primarily on speed alone as a type of fighter who gets old fast might. i hope they give him the chance and not try to wait until he gets old, but i don't think they want to give him the chance. They already showed that with Wilder. Wilder never even went to Russia to train for the fight. It was all preplanned.
Also again, Povetkin didn't look or fight small against Wlad. Wlad and Joshua are the same height; Joshua just a few pounds heavier.
Check out my earlier posts. Irrational weight divisions, especially in the heavies, is my number one boxing pet peeve except for the pervasive corruption which is number one by far. Like i said before, I'd like to see the antiquated and irrational boxing weight classifications completely revamped and set up in a rational way by percentage increments.
Can Povetkin beat Joshua? I don't know. I'd like him too, and i think he can, and more so I'd like him to have the opportunity. He has earned it, and he earned it legitimately, not by shooting off his mouth and a lot of set up fights (like you know who). I'm not like all these guys who get on here and announce that so and so will beat up so and so. I don't know the future. Also it's bad medicine to assume anything and discount anything. Price is assumed to be a sure win, but Price can hit very hard. After - gods willing - he beats Price then we will talk about it. Also Joshua has to get past undefeated Parker next month.
You are right, Pov is very slick and plenty fast and extremely skilled. What i was trying to say, but didn't say very well, was that i don't think Pov relies primarily on speed alone as a type of fighter who gets old fast might. i hope they give him the chance and not try to wait until he gets old, but i don't think they want to give him the chance. They already showed that with Wilder. Wilder never even went to Russia to train for the fight. It was all preplanned.
Also again, Povetkin didn't look or fight small against Wlad. Wlad and Joshua are the same height; Joshua just a few pounds heavier.
Thanks for your input mate! I only want Alexander Povetkin to face Anthony Joshua if he genuinely believes and is fully confident that he can beat Joshua and not just take the fight for money. Otherwise, he should reconsider accepting this fight. Just for his own health and safety because this seems like a very dangerous and risky fight for Povetkin's health / life. This bout still seems like a mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua to me but hopefully I'm proven wrong. And if the bout doesn't take place, then it may just be a blessing in disguise for Povetkin. And if Povetkin does manage to win, it will prove a lot of things in the context of boxing as a whole.
Check out my earlier posts. Irrational weight divisions, especially in the heavies, is my number one boxing pet peeve except for the pervasive corruption which is number one by far. Like i said before, I'd like to see the antiquated and irrational boxing weight classifications completely revamped and set up in a rational way by percentage increments.
Can Povetkin beat Joshua? I don't know. I'd like him too, and i think he can, and more so I'd like him to have the opportunity. He has earned it, and he earned it legitimately, not by shooting off his mouth and a lot of set up fights (like you know who). I'm not like all these guys who get on here and announce that so and so will beat up so and so. I don't know the future. Also it's bad medicine to assume anything and discount anything. Price is assumed to be a sure win, but Price can hit very hard. After - gods willing - he beats Price then we will talk about it. Also Joshua has to get past undefeated Parker next month.
You are right, Pov is very slick and plenty fast and extremely skilled. What i was trying to say, but didn't say very well, was that i don't think Pov relies primarily on speed alone as a type of fighter who gets old fast might. i hope they give him the chance and not try to wait until he gets old, but i don't think they want to give him the chance. They already showed that with Wilder. Wilder never even went to Russia to train for the fight. It was all preplanned.
Also again, Povetkin didn't look or fight small against Wlad. Wlad and Joshua are the same height; Joshua just a few pounds heavier.
Thanks for your input mate! I only want Alexander Povetkin to face Anthony Joshua if he genuinely believes and is fully confident that he can beat Joshua and not just take the fight for money. Otherwise, he should reconsider accepting this fight. Just for his own health and safety because this seems like a very dangerous and risky fight for Povetkin's health / life. This bout still seems like a mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua to me but hopefully I'm proven wrong. And if the bout doesn't take place, then it may just be a blessing in disguise for Povetkin. And if Povetkin does manage to win, it will prove a lot of things in the context of boxing as a whole.
The western boxing gangsters don't want him to spoil their party. Last night they were going on about Wilder unifying the heavyweight belt, and they never even mentioned Povetkin's name.
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 16:24
Joshua will stay away from Povetkin and other top heavy's as long as possible. Povetkin, however is done.
Joshua hasn't been staying away from Top Heavy's. His last 2 fights were over Top rated Heavyweights, and his next one is a Title Unification against another highly ranked Heavyweight.
Wilder meanwhile just made his first title defense against a Top 10 ranked opponent...only took him 3 years. That being said, it's a great win and I'm not taking anything away from the significance of the win. It was just long overdue.
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 16:24
Joshua will stay away from Povetkin and other top heavy's as long as possible. Povetkin, however is done.
Joshua hasn't been staying away from Top Heavy's. His last 2 fights were over Top rated Heavyweights, and his next one is a Title Unification against another highly ranked Heavyweight.
Wilder meanwhile just made his first title defense against a Top 10 ranked opponent...only took him 3 years. That being said, it's a great win and I'm not taking anything away from the significance of the win. It was just long overdue.
Outside of AJ, Joshua, Povetkin, and Ortiz, the division is currently thin. Parker is raw meat for AJ. Must wait for AJ/Wilder
Povetkin has a great resume still, but I don't think he'd be all that threatening for Wilder or AJ at this point. I figure one of them will target him for his name value though. AJ in all likelihood.
Check out my earlier posts. Irrational weight divisions, especially in the heavies, is my number one boxing pet peeve except for the pervasive corruption which is number one by far. Like i said before, I'd like to see the antiquated and irrational boxing weight classifications completely revamped and set up in a rational way by percentage increments.
Can Povetkin beat Joshua? I don't know. I'd like him too, and i think he can, and more so I'd like him to have the opportunity. He has earned it, and he earned it legitimately, not by shooting off his mouth and a lot of set up fights (like you know who). I'm not like all these guys who get on here and announce that so and so will beat up so and so. I don't know the future. Also it's bad medicine to assume anything and discount anything. Price is assumed to be a sure win, but Price can hit very hard. After - gods willing - he beats Price then we will talk about it. Also Joshua has to get past undefeated Parker next month.
You are right, Pov is very slick and plenty fast and extremely skilled. What i was trying to say, but didn't say very well, was that i don't think Pov relies primarily on speed alone as a type of fighter who gets old fast might. i hope they give him the chance and not try to wait until he gets old, but i don't think they want to give him the chance. They already showed that with Wilder. Wilder never even went to Russia to train for the fight. It was all preplanned.
Also again, Povetkin didn't look or fight small against Wlad. Wlad and Joshua are the same height; Joshua just a few pounds heavier.
Thanks for your input mate! I only want Alexander Povetkin to face Anthony Joshua if he genuinely believes and is fully confident that he can beat Joshua and not just take the fight for money. Otherwise, he should reconsider accepting this fight. Just for his own health and safety because this seems like a very dangerous and risky fight for Povetkin's health / life. This bout still seems like a mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua to me but hopefully I'm proven wrong. And if the bout doesn't take place, then it may just be a blessing in disguise for Povetkin. And if Povetkin does manage to win, it will prove a lot of things in the context of boxing as a whole.
The western boxing gangsters don't want him to spoil their party. Last night they were going on about Wilder unifying the heavyweight belt, and they never even mentioned Povetkin's name.
Exactly! I don't even understand why they should even be that fearful of a pudgy blown up cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin. Russians should perhaps do something about this problem as a whole. Maybe create their own sanctioning body? Since Russian boxers can't seem to be getting fights that they should be in the heavyweight division due to political reason.
That's why the current heavyweight division is corrupted. Which is why I don't follow it much and instead prefer the cruiser weight division over it. There isn't any structure to it. The top boxers aren't willing to fight each other and too much political nonsense also exists too. I think the Wilder vs Joshua is a inevitable fight that is going to happen at the expense of other fights being cancelled / fixed / set up so that both Joshua and Wilder can eventually meet each otherin the ring after the fight is hyped / built up enough.
Hence, heavyweight division is currently more like WWE than an actual, legitimate sport.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 16:34
Povetkin has a great resume still, but I don't think he'd be all that threatening for Wilder or AJ at this point. I figure one of them will target him for his name value though. AJ in all likelihood.
Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua deserve very little to no credit for beating a physically weak and a blown up cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin. It's a physical mismatch and both are expected to not just win, but win by an astronomical margin and if they even have any difficulty, never mind lose, then they simply must be horrible.
So no, there exists no value in defeating Alexander Povetkin for Wilder or Joshua. It's valueless!
Wilder or Joshua deserve as much credit for beating Alexander Povetkin as a human being stepping on an ant and killing the ant would.. That's the amount of 'value' behind beating Povetkin!
Heavyweight of such a size as Haye or Povetkin shouldn't even be allowed to be competing in the heavyweight division. Just based on their height alone, they should be disregarded by default, irrespective of what they actually do.
No human being in human history shorter than 6 foot 4 inches would be a favorite to beat Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or the Klitschkos.
It's about time we accept that such short-lings aren't suited for the heavyweight division and they lack any value for the modern heavyweight division.
If you're shorter than 6 foot 4 inches, then you are by default, irrelevant for the heavyweight division.
Thanks for your input mate! I only want Alexander Povetkin to face Anthony Joshua if he genuinely believes and is fully confident that he can beat Joshua and not just take the fight for money. Otherwise, he should reconsider accepting this fight. Just for his own health and safety because this seems like a very dangerous and risky fight for Povetkin's health / life. This bout still seems like a mismatch in favor of Anthony Joshua to me but hopefully I'm proven wrong. And if the bout doesn't take place, then it may just be a blessing in disguise for Povetkin. And if Povetkin does manage to win, it will prove a lot of things in the context of boxing as a whole.
The western boxing gangsters don't want him to spoil their party. Last night they were going on about Wilder unifying the heavyweight belt, and they never even mentioned Povetkin's name.
Exactly! I don't even understand why they should even be that fearful of a pudgy blown up cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin. Russians should perhaps do something about this problem as a whole. Maybe create their own sanctioning body? Since Russian boxers can't seem to be getting fights that they should be in the heavyweight division due to political reason.
That's why the current heavyweight division is corrupted. Which is why I don't follow it much and instead prefer the cruiser weight division over it. There isn't any structure to it. The top boxers aren't willing to fight each other and too much political nonsense also exists too. I think the Wilder vs Joshua is a inevitable fight that is going to happen at the expense of other fights being cancelled / fixed / set up so that both Joshua and Wilder can eventually meet each otherin the ring after the fight is hyped / built up enough.
Hence, heavyweight division is currently more like WWE than an actual, legitimate sport.
He's not a "pudgy blown up cruiser weight", amigo, he's a natural looking man. He may look that way because at this point we are so used to seeing roided up cases like Wilder and Joshua. People have asked me if I used steroids. No of course not. I look at photos of myself in my boxing days and I was muscular but not unnaturally cut up like steroid using boxers. and - notoriously - bodybuilders. Same thing if you look at bodybuilders before steroids, Steve Reeves etc.
That's another thing I've been saying with boxers coming on and bellowing and acting like maniacs - US and UK mainly, again - no sportsmanship whatsoever - and with all the crookedness and fixed fights - wearing Halloween masks - flamboyant drawn out entrances - storylines about how they hate each other - boxing has morphed into WWE. And, yeah, selectively chosen fights. Suppose they did that in baseball, say the Yankees ignoring the White Sox and fighting some weaker club instead (I'm picking names at random. I don't follow baseball) in the world series championship games! They better start calling boxing in the US and UK "sports entertainment" like they forced them to do in professional wrestling, instead of continuing to pass itself off as a legitimate sport!
"That's why the current heavyweight division is corrupted. Which is why I don't follow it much and instead prefer the cruiser weight division over it."
Yeah I'm agreeing with you on that too now, and I always was mainly interested in the heavies. The next one down, light heavy, needs to be fixed though. It's parameters, 7 pounds, 168 - 175 lbs., are ridiculously small.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 16:34
Povetkin has a great resume still, but I don't think he'd be all that threatening for Wilder or AJ at this point. I figure one of them will target him for his name value though. AJ in all likelihood.
Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua deserve very little to no credit for beating a physically weak and a blown up cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin. It's a physical mismatch and both are expected to not just win, but win by an astronomical margin and if they even have any difficulty, never mind lose, then they simply must be horrible.
So no, there exists no value in defeating Alexander Povetkin for Wilder or Joshua. It's valueless!
Wilder or Joshua deserve as much credit for beating Alexander Povetkin as a human being stepping on an ant and killing the ant would.. That's the amount of 'value' behind beating Povetkin!
Heavyweight of such a size as Haye or Povetkin shouldn't even be allowed to be competing in the heavyweight division. Just based on their height alone, they should be disregarded by default, irrespective of what they actually do.
No human being in human history shorter than 6 foot 4 inches would be a favorite to beat Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or the Klitschkos.
It's about time we accept that such short-lings aren't suited for the heavyweight division and they lack any value for the modern heavyweight division.
If you're shorter than 6 foot 4 inches, then you are by default, irrelevant for the heavyweight division.
Look at a list of the All Time Greatest Heavyweight Champions. Damn near all of them were under 6 foot 4.
gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 16:34
Povetkin has a great resume still, but I don't think he'd be all that threatening for Wilder or AJ at this point. I figure one of them will target him for his name value though. AJ in all likelihood.
Deontay Wilder or Anthony Joshua deserve very little to no credit for beating a physically weak and a blown up cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin. It's a physical mismatch and both are expected to not just win, but win by an astronomical margin and if they even have any difficulty, never mind lose, then they simply must be horrible.
So no, there exists no value in defeating Alexander Povetkin for Wilder or Joshua. It's valueless!
Wilder or Joshua deserve as much credit for beating Alexander Povetkin as a human being stepping on an ant and killing the ant would.. That's the amount of 'value' behind beating Povetkin!
Heavyweight of such a size as Haye or Povetkin shouldn't even be allowed to be competing in the heavyweight division. Just based on their height alone, they should be disregarded by default, irrespective of what they actually do.
No human being in human history shorter than 6 foot 4 inches would be a favorite to beat Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or the Klitschkos.
It's about time we accept that such short-lings aren't suited for the heavyweight division and they lack any value for the modern heavyweight division.
If you're shorter than 6 foot 4 inches, then you are by default, irrelevant for the heavyweight division.
Look at a list of the All Time Greatest Heavyweight Champions. Damn near all of them were under 6 foot 4.
That's only because athletic and skilled super heavyweights taller than 6 foot 3 inches didn't exist prior to 1985. If we go by modern standard, then those all time great heavyweight champions of the past don't have much of a prayer against the modern behemoths.
My point was strictly in relation to modern heavyweight and the heavyweight. Alexander povetkin is currently the most skilled and most successful heavyweight shorter than 6 foot 4 inches. And if you don't think Povetkin can defeat Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury or the Klitschkos , then nobody else shorter than 6 foot 4 inches can do so. Whether it's today or in the past. Simply ain't going to happen! The time for small, tiny heavyweights being relevant in the heavyweight division is over. Be prepared to only see giant, big, muscular and behemoth sized heavyweights like Anthony Joshua from today and in the long future.
However, if you're a fan of small heavyweights still staying relevant in the modern heavyweight division surrounded by super heavyweights. You'd be supporting the likes of Alexander Povetkin, Andy Ruiz Jr and David Haye against the likes of Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder.
The western boxing gangsters don't want him to spoil their party. Last night they were going on about Wilder unifying the heavyweight belt, and they never even mentioned Povetkin's name.
Exactly! I don't even understand why they should even be that fearful of a pudgy blown up cruiser weight in Alexander Povetkin. Russians should perhaps do something about this problem as a whole. Maybe create their own sanctioning body? Since Russian boxers can't seem to be getting fights that they should be in the heavyweight division due to political reason.
That's why the current heavyweight division is corrupted. Which is why I don't follow it much and instead prefer the cruiser weight division over it. There isn't any structure to it. The top boxers aren't willing to fight each other and too much political nonsense also exists too. I think the Wilder vs Joshua is a inevitable fight that is going to happen at the expense of other fights being cancelled / fixed / set up so that both Joshua and Wilder can eventually meet each otherin the ring after the fight is hyped / built up enough.
Hence, heavyweight division is currently more like WWE than an actual, legitimate sport.
He's not a "pudgy blown up cruiser weight", amigo, he's a natural looking man. He may look that way because at this point we are so used to seeing roided up cases like Wilder and Joshua. People have asked me if I used steroids. No of course not. I look at photos of myself in my boxing days and I was muscular but not unnaturally cut up like steroid using boxers. and - notoriously - bodybuilders. Same thing if you look at bodybuilders before steroids, Steve Reeves etc.
That's another thing I've been saying with boxers coming on and bellowing and acting like maniacs - US and UK mainly, again - no sportsmanship whatsoever - and with all the crookedness and fixed fights - wearing Halloween masks - flamboyant drawn out entrances - storylines about how they hate each other - boxing has morphed into WWE. And, yeah, selectively chosen fights. Suppose they did that in baseball, say the Yankees ignoring the White Sox and fighting some weaker club instead (I'm picking names at random. I don't follow baseball) in the world series championship games! They better start calling boxing in the US and UK "sports entertainment" like they forced them to do in professional wrestling, instead of continuing to pass itself off as a legitimate sport!
"That's why the current heavyweight division is corrupted. Which is why I don't follow it much and instead prefer the cruiser weight division over it."
Yeah I'm agreeing with you on that too now, and I always was mainly interested in the heavies. The next one down, light heavy, needs to be fixed though. It's parameters, 7 pounds, 168 - 175 lbs., are ridiculously small.
It's obviously an exaggeration and a hyperbole when I claimed that Alexander Povetkin is a 'pudgy blown up cruiser weight'. Although in relative terms compared to the rest of the top heavyweights, he definitely is pudgier and chubbier looking. Seemingly as if he was a blown up cruiser weight compared to the giant behemoths like Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury and the Klitschkos. Povetkin looks closer in size to the cruiser weights and perhaps even some of the light heavyweights such as Marco Huck, Mairis Brieidis, Oleksandr usyk, Murat Gassiev and etc. And he looks less closer in size to the top giant super heavyweights such as Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Joseph Parker, Luis Ortiz and Tyson Fury. In other words, it appears as if it would make more sense for Povetkin to be fighting the cruiser weights, rather than the giant top super heavyweights due to the size differences.
The heavyweight division is currently at its worst state. Not in terms of talent, but mainly in terms of the politics, organisation and structure behind the heavyweight division. Too many fixed and set up looking fights. Too much corruption. Too much A side nonsense. Too much drug testing scams and etc. All of these things contribute to the heavyweight division being currently unwatchable. I simply can't take some of the fights very seriously anymore. Since the best aren't fighting the best as often. Since the best possible fights are being prevented from using protection devices such as 'failed drug tests'. A side boxers such as Deontay Wilder are being protected from fighting top level opponents that pose a risk. Boxers such as Malik Scott being payed to take an obvious dive against Deontay Wilder. And the ultimate corruption due to 'every road leads to the Anthony Joshua vs Deontay Wilder fight' which means the fight between Joshua and Wilder will inevitably happen, at any cost.
This is why I've gravitated to the cruiser weight division instead. That division is far more structured, organised and professional than the heavyweight division. The Klitschkos formed a very professional, organised, structured and a beautiful lineage in the heavyweight division after a decade of boxing and now that's ruined by clowns like Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Al Haymon.
