revised narratives

[jamamb]

great posts guys

[Jackson328]

In years to come people will look at Groves beating Eubank, compare their respective records going into the fight and assume it was just another day at the office for Groves (which it was in truth) without seeing that Eubank was a favourite with the bookies and most respected pundits were tipping him to win.

I feel sorry for Calzaghe sometimes when I recall his schooling of Lacy, most people had him knocked out or easily outpointed going into the fight yet now its generally accepted that Lacy was hugely overhyped. You can pick holes in absolutely anyones resume throughout history in reality.

Buster Douglas was just a bum who got lucky against an unmotivated Tyson who hadn't trained etc but he fought like a beast that night as a rank outsider. Almost three decades later I have yet to meet anyone who thought Tyson would lose that fight.

Probably don't believe me...but I called Douglas vs Tyson....

ffs now I've met two in one night!

Got no reason to disbelieve you though Stu and tobyh but you get my general drift? Douglas was a no-hoper to 99% of the boxing world yet the revisionists now say Tyson was ripe to be picked.

btw I backed Honeyghan to beat Don Curry at 1-6 but no-one believes me now, I should have kept that betting slip and thats another example, people after the event claimed that Curry was tight at the weight and hadn't trained right, Honeyghan butted him etc etc

[mickey1975]

Fury - Klitschko is definitely the best example in recent memory, with the amount of people who claim it was a ‘masterclass’ of boxing from Fury when in reality he barely squeaked a decision and hardly landed any punches all night.

Master plan is more apt. He'd have got ko'ed if he'd have stood there.

[Boxerbeetle]

In years to come people will look at Groves beating Eubank, compare their respective records going into the fight and assume it was just another day at the office for Groves (which it was in truth) without seeing that Eubank was a favourite with the bookies and most respected pundits were tipping him to win.

I feel sorry for Calzaghe sometimes when I recall his schooling of Lacy, most people had him knocked out or easily outpointed going into the fight yet now its generally accepted that Lacy was hugely overhyped. You can pick holes in absolutely anyones resume throughout history in reality.

Buster Douglas was just a bum who got lucky against an unmotivated Tyson who hadn't trained etc but he fought like a beast that night as a rank outsider. Almost three decades later I have yet to meet anyone who thought Tyson would lose that fight.

Probably don't believe me...but I called Douglas vs Tyson....

ffs now I've met two in one night!

Got no reason to disbelieve you though Stu and tobyh but you get my general drift? Douglas was a no-hoper to 99% of the boxing world yet the revisionists now say Tyson was ripe to be picked.

btw I backed Honeyghan to beat Don Curry at 1-6 but no-one believes me now, I should have kept that betting slip and thats another example, people after the event claimed that Curry was tight at the weight and hadn't trained right, Honeyghan butted him etc etc

I bet we’ve all picked the underdog plenty of times, but we forget about it when they get knocked out

[Boxerbeetle]

Fury - Klitschko is definitely the best example in recent memory, with the amount of people who claim it was a ‘masterclass’ of boxing from Fury when in reality he barely squeaked a decision and hardly landed any punches all night.

Master plan is more apt. He'd have got ko'ed if he'd have stood there.

That’s true. No doubting it was a brilliant tactic and saw Fury pull off a huge result, but just saying that it wasn’t a schooling like sometimes claimed. It was a close fight that went right down to the wire, not a Mayweather-esq defensive domination.

[Jackson328]

Probably don't believe me...but I called Douglas vs Tyson....

ffs now I've met two in one night!

Got no reason to disbelieve you though Stu and tobyh but you get my general drift? Douglas was a no-hoper to 99% of the boxing world yet the revisionists now say Tyson was ripe to be picked.

btw I backed Honeyghan to beat Don Curry at 1-6 but no-one believes me now, I should have kept that betting slip and thats another example, people after the event claimed that Curry was tight at the weight and hadn't trained right, Honeyghan butted him etc etc

I bet we’ve all picked the underdog plenty of times, but we forget about it when they get knocked out

so true that is, like a gambler only talks about the big wins

[mickey1975]

Fury - Klitschko is definitely the best example in recent memory, with the amount of people who claim it was a ‘masterclass’ of boxing from Fury when in reality he barely squeaked a decision and hardly landed any punches all night.

Master plan is more apt. He'd have got ko'ed if he'd have stood there.

That’s true. No doubting it was a brilliant tactic and saw Fury pull off a huge result, but just saying that it wasn’t a schooling like sometimes claimed. It was a close fight that went right down to the wire, not a Mayweather-esq defensive domination.

The feints were a lot more technical than most admit. Groves was doing the same last week which prevented Jr launching attacks. Jr wasn't gunshy, just couldn't get anything off because he was offset.

[Counter-puncher]

Master plan is more apt. He'd have got ko'ed if he'd have stood there.

That’s true. No doubting it was a brilliant tactic and saw Fury pull off a huge result, but just saying that it wasn’t a schooling like sometimes claimed. It was a close fight that went right down to the wire, not a Mayweather-esq defensive domination.

The feints were a lot more technical than most admit.

or recognise

[mickey1975]

I was going to say that... Dirk believes Wlad simply couldn't be bothered throwing punches that night!

[Nightmare Roy]

Haye v Bellew was a dire affair from first bell to the end. That they'll sell it again proves two things: people have short memories and not much on of a weekend.

Agreed, baffles me that's it's a ppv.

[Nightmare Roy]

[quote=jamamb post_id

Lewis Tyson has changed over the years as well. It was genuinely close to a 50/50 fight at the time, (I believe the prices were similar to GGG Canelo) but I think people these days treat it like Lewis in his prime vs a total she

It was Lewis v a shell. It's not a myth. Everyone knew Tyson had nothing left by that point other than a punchers chance

Tyson was shot to shit, everyone knew Lewis would win.

[TheLeprechaun]

It sometimes doesn't take very long for the change to take place.

I listened to Wlad vs Fury on the radio and Bunce scored the fight to Wlad. Yet in a newspaper column a few days later he was lavishing praise on Fury for a great performance as if he considered it a masterclass all along.

I think thats the fight that annoys me the most. Both fighters did nothing and it goes down as the worst heavyweight title fight I've ever watched. Fury was extremely disappointing after all his talk of destroying Wlad and he went in and did whatever he could to make it a tedious affair. Extremely lucky to get that decision away from home fighting like that. It was nowhere near a master class. The Furys are terrible for boxing if you ask me. They have one intention when they fight - stink the place out at all costs. Do everything they can to sell the fight beforehand but come into the ring and fight a safety first boring fight for 12 rounds. Bellew is quite similar.

[jamamb]

yep, its why i cant warm to the furys at all as boxers. there fights are making nothing happen other than just the slightest tad more than the opponent.

vs parker, wlad, chisora 2.....all just dreadful fights. im not gonna deny they have skill but i was once a fan of tysons (in some real fun ones) but deffo not anymore.

[mickey1975]

It sometimes doesn't take very long for the change to take place.

I listened to Wlad vs Fury on the radio and Bunce scored the fight to Wlad. Yet in a newspaper column a few days later he was lavishing praise on Fury for a great performance as if he considered it a masterclass all along.

I think thats the fight that annoys me the most. Both fighters did nothing and it goes down as the worst heavyweight title fight I've ever watched. Fury was extremely disappointing after all his talk of destroying Wlad and he went in and did whatever he could to make it a tedious affair. Extremely lucky to get that decision away from home fighting like that. It was nowhere near a master class. The Furys are terrible for boxing if you ask me. They have one intention when they fight - stink the place out at all costs. Do everything they can to sell the fight beforehand but come into the ring and fight a safety first boring fight for 12 rounds. Bellew is quite similar.

Did you score the fight to Wlad because it was in Dussledorf, then? I wasn't aware that was in the criteria.

[mickey1975]

yep, its why i cant warm to the furys at all as boxers. there fights are making nothing happen other than just the slightest tad more than the opponent.

vs parker, wlad, chisora 2.....all just dreadful fights. im not gonna deny they have skill but i was once a fan of tysons (in some real fun ones) but deffo not anymore.

Chisora 2 was a sparring session to Tyson. As was Hammer. You should stick to watching Gatti-Ward repeats or Conor Benn because Fury, ridiculously, is going to continue fighting to his strengths.

[dirk2686]

I was going to say that... Dirk believes Wlad simply couldn't be bothered throwing punches that night!

No I don't - but I recognise every fighter will have good and bad nights and in a rematch I believe Wlad would have forced the action far more. It's not like he was that far from winning the first fight anyway and he was absolutely terrible.

[dirk2686]

It sometimes doesn't take very long for the change to take place.

I listened to Wlad vs Fury on the radio and Bunce scored the fight to Wlad. Yet in a newspaper column a few days later he was lavishing praise on Fury for a great performance as if he considered it a masterclass all along.

I think thats the fight that annoys me the most. Both fighters did nothing and it goes down as the worst heavyweight title fight I've ever watched. Fury was extremely disappointing after all his talk of destroying Wlad and he went in and did whatever he could to make it a tedious affair. Extremely lucky to get that decision away from home fighting like that. It was nowhere near a master class. The Furys are terrible for boxing if you ask me. They have one intention when they fight - stink the place out at all costs. Do everything they can to sell the fight beforehand but come into the ring and fight a safety first boring fight for 12 rounds. Bellew is quite similar.

Did you score the fight to Wlad because it was in Dussledorf, then? I wasn't aware that was in the criteria.

The way some (you basically) go on it's as though there was absolutely no doubt what the result was when the bell went. I genuinely believe had Wlad been given the nod nobody would even talk the fight up as being that much of a robbery because it was so poor.

[dirk2686]

[quote=jamamb post_id

Lewis Tyson has changed over the years as well. It was genuinely close to a 50/50 fight at the time, (I believe the prices were similar to GGG Canelo) but I think people these days treat it like Lewis in his prime vs a total she

It was Lewis v a shell. It's not a myth. Everyone knew Tyson had nothing left by that point other than a punchers chance

Tyson was shot to poo, everyone knew Lewis would win.

I don't disagree that Tyson was shot, but you have to concede a lot thought Tyson could and indeed would win.

[banjo]

Lewis himself was probably on the slide by then as well, I often forget Lewis is actually older than Tyson too. Crazy to think it was the biggest fight in boxing at the time as well.

[Dixonian]

It sometimes doesn't take very long for the change to take place.

I listened to Wlad vs Fury on the radio and Bunce scored the fight to Wlad. Yet in a newspaper column a few days later he was lavishing praise on Fury for a great performance as if he considered it a masterclass all along.

Bunce is a windbag with all the integrity of a feral cat

x2

[Dixonian]

I was going to say that... Dirk believes Wlad simply couldn't be bothered throwing punches that night!

No I don't - but I recognise every fighter will have good and bad nights and in a rematch I believe Wlad would have forced the action far more. It's not like he was that far from winning the first fight anyway and he was absolutely terrible.

Yeah and he very quickly enacted his right to a rematch too.

[banjo]

Which Fury ducked, twice.

[PredatorHayds]

I had Wlad Just winning on my scorecard.
The masterclass comments are bizarre.

[deadpan]

Valuev-Haye. Besides the one shot in the 12th that wobbled the cro magnon moth banquet David landed little of note and if the decision had gone against him he'd have been widely derided for his abject caution against a man that a pensionable Evander had outworked.

Ditto Tyson-Wlad.

[Boxerbeetle]

Hmmm I remember thinking at the final bell of Haye-Valuev that Haye marginally deserved the decision.

At the final bell of Fury-Wlad, I had no idea who was going to win. I thought a draw might have been fair considering how bad both guys were.