Victor Conte is helping the Luis Ortiz camp!

[Enlightened-One]

Well, for me it's obvious why he didn't sign the contract for such a long time, that's why I predicted the day he would sign the contract several months beforehand. I predicted all of it. Fanboys of such guys should feel ashamed of themself.

What are you talking about? Explain yourself, since I can’t read minds.

When Wilder fought "the battle of the dopers" between doping user and doping test skipper Bermaine Stiverne and bronze medal cruiserweight winner Wilder who got busted with his car full of drugs by the American police, he should have fought Luis Ortiz. Somehow by continually letting some lab make mistakes, or let them spread confusing information and things like that, Wilder managed to delay a good fight even more.

Here are a few quotes of what I predicted back then:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... d#p4762615

You clearly didn't read the response I articulated earlier on in this thread when I addressed one of your criticisms of Wilder directly:

There's no rule against fighters taking recreational drugs during out-of-competition. He was only caught with possession. It wasn't proven that he'd actually taken them.

What's wrong with you? I address the points you raised head-on, but you ignore what I've written and continue discussing unrelated fictional conspiracy theory nonsense.

Can't you answer a simple question or is it too challenging for you to stick to the facts?

[asdfjkl]

What are you talking about? Explain yourself, since I can’t read minds.

When Wilder fought "the battle of the dopers" between doping user and doping test skipper Bermaine Stiverne and bronze medal cruiserweight winner Wilder who got busted with his car full of drugs by the American police, he should have fought Luis Ortiz. Somehow by continually letting some lab make mistakes, or let them spread confusing information and things like that, Wilder managed to delay a good fight even more.

Here are a few quotes of what I predicted back then:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... d#p4762615

You clearly didn't read the response I articulated earlier on in this thread when I addressed one of your criticisms of Wilder directly:

There's no rule against fighters taking recreational drugs during out-of-competition. He was only caught with possession. It wasn't proven that he'd actually taken them.

What's wrong with you? I address the points you raised head-on, but you ignore what I've written and continue discussing unrelated fictional conspiracy theory nonsense.

Can't you answer a simple question or is it too challenging for you to stick to the facts?

Wasn't it Wilder simself who said "once a cheat, allways a cheat"?

[Enlightened-One]

When Wilder fought "the battle of the dopers" between doping user and doping test skipper Bermaine Stiverne and bronze medal cruiserweight winner Wilder who got busted with his car full of drugs by the American police, he should have fought Luis Ortiz. Somehow by continually letting some lab make mistakes, or let them spread confusing information and things like that, Wilder managed to delay a good fight even more.

Here are a few quotes of what I predicted back then:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... d#p4762615

You clearly didn't read the response I articulated earlier on in this thread when I addressed one of your criticisms of Wilder directly:

There's no rule against fighters taking recreational drugs during out-of-competition. He was only caught with possession. It wasn't proven that he'd actually taken them.

What's wrong with you? I address the points you raised head-on, but you ignore what I've written and continue discussing unrelated fictional conspiracy theory nonsense.

Can't you answer a simple question or is it too challenging for you to stick to the facts?

Wasn't it Wilder simself who said "once a cheat, allways a cheat"?

Are you suffering from a severe form of Keyboard Tourette’s Symdrome, whereby you bark random sentences that bear absolutely no relation to the subject matter being discussed? Can't you stick the the topic under discussion and comment on the facts rather than your crazy madcap fictional conspiracy theories?

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and being in possession of it does not necessarily mean that Wilder consumed it, since it supposedly belonged to another passenger riding in his car. And even if he did, there aren’t any rules preventing him from doing so.

So if Deontay Wilder hasn’t broken any rules, then why do you acuse him of being a “cheat”, since he hasn’t been caught committing any wrongdoing and there is no evidence to suggest that he ever has?

[asdfjkl]

You clearly didn't read the response I articulated earlier on in this thread when I addressed one of your criticisms of Wilder directly:

What's wrong with you? I address the points you raised head-on, but you ignore what I've written and continue discussing unrelated fictional conspiracy theory nonsense.

Can't you answer a simple question or is it too challenging for you to stick to the facts?

Wasn't it Wilder simself who said "once a cheat, allways a cheat"?

Are you suffering from a severe form of Keyboard Tourette’s Symdrome, whereby you bark random sentences that bear absolutely no relation to the subject matter being discussed? Can't you stick the the topic under discussion and comment on the facts rather than your crazy madcap fictional conspiracy theories?

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and being in possession of it does not necessarily mean that Wilder consumed it, since it supposedly belonged to another passenger riding in his car. And even if he did, there aren’t any rules preventing him from doing so.

So if Deontay Wilder hasn’t broken any rules, then why do you acuse him of being a “cheat”, since he hasn’t been caught committing any wrongdoing and there is no evidence to suggest that he ever has?

Because of the continual quoting I'd have to copy paste your comments:
"There's no rule against fighters taking recreational drugs during out-of-competition. He was only caught with possession. It wasn't proven that he'd actually taken them."
You wanted me to react to that, well this is your answer: https://www.usada.org/substances/marijuana-faq/
"The WADA Prohibited List establishes marijuana and cannabinoids as substances that are prohibited in-competition. The use of prohibited substances in sport, without an approved Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE), may lead to an anti-doping rule violation and sanction."

Wilder himself said "Once a cheat, allways a cheat".
Well, since I don't suffer from a severe form of Keyboard Tourette’s Symdrome, whereby you bark random sentences that bear absolutely no relation to the subject matter being discussed, I can stick to the topic under discussion and comment on the facts rather than crazy madcap fictional conspiracy theories. I assumed you would be intelligent enough to combine both facts in your head, but appearantly you're not able to.
In this post you can find everything you need to understand how retarded your reaction as well as Wilder his reaction and everyone involved with him actually is.

[Enlightened-One]

Wasn't it Wilder simself who said "once a cheat, allways a cheat"?

Are you suffering from a severe form of Keyboard Tourette’s Symdrome, whereby you bark random sentences that bear absolutely no relation to the subject matter being discussed? Can't you stick the the topic under discussion and comment on the facts rather than your crazy madcap fictional conspiracy theories?

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and being in possession of it does not necessarily mean that Wilder consumed it, since it supposedly belonged to another passenger riding in his car. And even if he did, there aren’t any rules preventing him from doing so.

So if Deontay Wilder hasn’t broken any rules, then why do you acuse him of being a “cheat”, since he hasn’t been caught committing any wrongdoing and there is no evidence to suggest that he ever has?

Because of the continual quoting I'd have to copy paste your comments:
"There's no rule against fighters taking recreational drugs during out-of-competition. He was only caught with possession. It wasn't proven that he'd actually taken them."
You wanted me to react to that, well this is your answer: https://www.usada.org/substances/marijuana-faq/
"The WADA Prohibited List establishes marijuana and cannabinoids as substances that are prohibited in-competition. The use of prohibited substances in sport, without an approved Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE), may lead to an anti-doping rule violation and sanction."

Wilder himself said "Once a cheat, allways a cheat".
Well, since I don't suffer from a severe form of Keyboard Tourette’s Symdrome, whereby you bark random sentences that bear absolutely no relation to the subject matter being discussed, I can stick to the topic under discussion and comment on the facts rather than crazy madcap fictional conspiracy theories. I assumed you would be intelligent enough to combine both facts in your head, but appearantly you're not able to.
In this post you can find everything you need to understand how retarded your reaction as well as Wilder his reaction and everyone involved with him actually is.

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and Wilder was only caught in possession of it whilst out-of-competition (i.e. five months after the Gerald Washington fight and four months prior to the Bermane Stiverne rematch).

'The Bronze Bomber' has never tested positive for consuming a recreational drug like Marijuana either. And even if he did, there aren't any rules preventing him from consuming those type of drugs out-of-competition.

Funnily enough, the link to the official USADA website YOU supplied within your counter-argument actually supports the explanation I've already provided:

"Recently, a handful of states, including Colorado, Alaska, Oregon, and Washington, have passed laws legalizing marijuana for personal, recreational use....

Recently, some states have passed laws decriminalizing the use of recreational marijuana, resulting in questions from both athletes and the public alike regarding marijuana and anti-doping rules....

Because cannabis (AKA marijuana) is prohibited only in-competition, many athlete inquiries to USADA ask how long cannabis will remain in their system following “recreational use” out-of-competition...."

How can you type-up sentences, but yet cannot even read them?

[asdfjkl]

Are you suffering from a severe form of Keyboard Tourette’s Symdrome, whereby you bark random sentences that bear absolutely no relation to the subject matter being discussed? Can't you stick the the topic under discussion and comment on the facts rather than your crazy madcap fictional conspiracy theories?

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and being in possession of it does not necessarily mean that Wilder consumed it, since it supposedly belonged to another passenger riding in his car. And even if he did, there aren’t any rules preventing him from doing so.

So if Deontay Wilder hasn’t broken any rules, then why do you acuse him of being a “cheat”, since he hasn’t been caught committing any wrongdoing and there is no evidence to suggest that he ever has?

Because of the continual quoting I'd have to copy paste your comments:
"There's no rule against fighters taking recreational drugs during out-of-competition. He was only caught with possession. It wasn't proven that he'd actually taken them."
You wanted me to react to that, well this is your answer: https://www.usada.org/substances/marijuana-faq/
"The WADA Prohibited List establishes marijuana and cannabinoids as substances that are prohibited in-competition. The use of prohibited substances in sport, without an approved Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE), may lead to an anti-doping rule violation and sanction."

Wilder himself said "Once a cheat, allways a cheat".
Well, since I don't suffer from a severe form of Keyboard Tourette’s Symdrome, whereby you bark random sentences that bear absolutely no relation to the subject matter being discussed, I can stick to the topic under discussion and comment on the facts rather than crazy madcap fictional conspiracy theories. I assumed you would be intelligent enough to combine both facts in your head, but appearantly you're not able to.
In this post you can find everything you need to understand how retarded your reaction as well as Wilder his reaction and everyone involved with him actually is.

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and Wilder was only caught in possession of it whilst out-of-competition (i.e. five months after the Gerald Washington fight and four months prior to the Bermane Stiverne rematch).

'The Bronze Bomber' has never tested positive for consuming a recreational drug like Marijuana either. And even if he did, there aren't any rules preventing him from consuming those type of drugs out-of-competition.

Funnily enough, the link to the official USADA website YOU supplied within your counter-argument actually supports the explanation I've already provided:

"Recently, a handful of states, including Colorado, Alaska, Oregon, and Washington, have passed laws legalizing marijuana for personal, recreational use....

Recently, some states have passed laws decriminalizing the use of recreational marijuana, resulting in questions from both athletes and the public alike regarding marijuana and anti-doping rules....

Because cannabis (AKA marijuana) is prohibited only in-competition, many athlete inquiries to USADA ask how long cannabis will remain in their system following “recreational use” out-of-competition...."

How can you type-up sentences, but yet cannot even read them?

Really? Are you this dumb? Povetkin took Meldonium 6 months early, not only when it was allowed, but also "out of competition" somehow Wilder had no problem calling him a cheater and running away scared while letting him getting blackmailed in the American media did he? Also, it was Wilder who said "Once a cheater, allways a cheater", "allways" as in; both in, as well as out of competition.
Ortiz also didn't get tested during the boxing match, in fact, Wilder has never been tested in competition at all in his entire life has he? Maybe once in his life out of competition and even that was by his own friends, but that's it.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror? Don't you feel embarrassed? Ashamed that Povetkin is the real champ for all those years already? Give me a brake lol, the bronze cruiserweight calling the guys he doesn't want to fight cheaters and the guys he does want to fight, but do fail drugstest because they take doping live in front of a testguy not XD.

[Enlightened-One]

Because of the continual quoting I'd have to copy paste your comments:
"There's no rule against fighters taking recreational drugs during out-of-competition. He was only caught with possession. It wasn't proven that he'd actually taken them."
You wanted me to react to that, well this is your answer: https://www.usada.org/substances/marijuana-faq/
"The WADA Prohibited List establishes marijuana and cannabinoids as substances that are prohibited in-competition. The use of prohibited substances in sport, without an approved Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE), may lead to an anti-doping rule violation and sanction."

Wilder himself said "Once a cheat, allways a cheat".
Well, since I don't suffer from a severe form of Keyboard Tourette’s Symdrome, whereby you bark random sentences that bear absolutely no relation to the subject matter being discussed, I can stick to the topic under discussion and comment on the facts rather than crazy madcap fictional conspiracy theories. I assumed you would be intelligent enough to combine both facts in your head, but appearantly you're not able to.
In this post you can find everything you need to understand how retarded your reaction as well as Wilder his reaction and everyone involved with him actually is.

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and Wilder was only caught in possession of it whilst out-of-competition (i.e. five months after the Gerald Washington fight and four months prior to the Bermane Stiverne rematch).

'The Bronze Bomber' has never tested positive for consuming a recreational drug like Marijuana either. And even if he did, there aren't any rules preventing him from consuming those type of drugs out-of-competition.

Funnily enough, the link to the official USADA website YOU supplied within your counter-argument actually supports the explanation I've already provided:

"Recently, a handful of states, including Colorado, Alaska, Oregon, and Washington, have passed laws legalizing marijuana for personal, recreational use....

Recently, some states have passed laws decriminalizing the use of recreational marijuana, resulting in questions from both athletes and the public alike regarding marijuana and anti-doping rules....

Because cannabis (AKA marijuana) is prohibited only in-competition, many athlete inquiries to USADA ask how long cannabis will remain in their system following “recreational use” out-of-competition...."

How can you type-up sentences, but yet cannot even read them?

Really? Are you this dumb? Povetkin took Meldonium 6 months early, not only when it was allowed, but also "out of competition" somehow Wilder had no problem calling him a cheater and running away scared while letting him getting blackmailed in the American media did he? Also, it was Wilder who said "Once a cheater, allways a cheater", "allways" as in; both in, as well as out of competition.
Ortiz also didn't get tested during the boxing match, in fact, Wilder has never been tested in competition at all in his entire life has he? Maybe once in his life out of competition and even that was by his own friends, but that's it.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror? Don't you feel embarrassed? Ashamed that Povetkin is the real champ for all those years already? Give me a brake lol, the bronze cruiserweight calling the guys he doesn't want to fight cheaters and the guys he does want to fight, but do fail drugstest because they take doping live in front of a testguy not XD.

Why are you bringing up Alexander Povetkin? Does he have any direct ties with Victor Conte or the Luis Ortiz training camp?

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

I think you’re taking the fúckíng pîss and trolling just for the sake of it!

[asdfjkl]

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and Wilder was only caught in possession of it whilst out-of-competition (i.e. five months after the Gerald Washington fight and four months prior to the Bermane Stiverne rematch).

'The Bronze Bomber' has never tested positive for consuming a recreational drug like Marijuana either. And even if he did, there aren't any rules preventing him from consuming those type of drugs out-of-competition.

Funnily enough, the link to the official USADA website YOU supplied within your counter-argument actually supports the explanation I've already provided:

"Recently, a handful of states, including Colorado, Alaska, Oregon, and Washington, have passed laws legalizing marijuana for personal, recreational use....

Recently, some states have passed laws decriminalizing the use of recreational marijuana, resulting in questions from both athletes and the public alike regarding marijuana and anti-doping rules....

Because cannabis (AKA marijuana) is prohibited only in-competition, many athlete inquiries to USADA ask how long cannabis will remain in their system following “recreational use” out-of-competition...."

How can you type-up sentences, but yet cannot even read them?

Really? Are you this dumb? Povetkin took Meldonium 6 months early, not only when it was allowed, but also "out of competition" somehow Wilder had no problem calling him a cheater and running away scared while letting him getting blackmailed in the American media did he? Also, it was Wilder who said "Once a cheater, allways a cheater", "allways" as in; both in, as well as out of competition.
Ortiz also didn't get tested during the boxing match, in fact, Wilder has never been tested in competition at all in his entire life has he? Maybe once in his life out of competition and even that was by his own friends, but that's it.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror? Don't you feel embarrassed? Ashamed that Povetkin is the real champ for all those years already? Give me a brake lol, the bronze cruiserweight calling the guys he doesn't want to fight cheaters and the guys he does want to fight, but do fail drugstest because they take doping live in front of a testguy not XD.

Why are you bringing up Alexander Povetkin? Does he have any direct ties with Victor Conte or the Luis Ortiz training camp?

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

I think you’re taking the fúckíng pîss and trolling just for the sake of it!

Are you kidding me? Damn, I can't even type all of this on my phone, I hate to get dragged down to such low levels as you're at.

[Kalan]

ya i agree on that. already 2 ped failures so doubt the reputation means that much , at least compared to winning

He didn't took peds, he had something in his body that could in theory cover up peds, he didn't actually take peds. It's like you drinking water, it could cover up something, so Ortiz basically got ignored by Wilder because he drank water.

Luis Ortiz took banned substances on two separate occasions and received two suspensions from the WBA as a result of it.

The most recent test failure led to the WBA banning Luis Ortiz for testing positive for consuming a masking agent, which he subsequently admitted taking, yet he did not disclose to VADA… and nor did he disclose his alleged medical condition and nor did he request an exemption to continue taking these drugs.

When the WBC medical professionals tested the Cuban for symptoms of his alleged high blood pressure to verify his excuse, they could find no evidence that he even suffered from it. Despite this though, the WBC took the word of Luis’ elderly doctor and only issued him with a financial punishment instead.

Apparently, Luis Ortiz claimed he had only suffered with high blood pressure one-time, during the build-up of the previously postponed Deontay Wilder fight… and now he’s employed the services of the controversial Victor Conte, who had a long history of working with PED’s (to the point he even received a custodial sentence for distributing them) to help the Cuban pass the battery of VADA testing he now has to endure for the rescheduled Wilder bout.

For the record, you keep mentioning water as a masking agent. Stop it, just stop being silly!

VADA is a criminal organization started by Victor Conte... They're working hand in glove with the WBC and other criminal Boxing orgs to dominate the testing space in the sport of Boxing... The V in VADA stands for "Voluntary" but they are forcing athletes to use their services through agreements with the WBC and other organizations...

VADA is not allowed to test Track and Field athletes because of the problems some of their members, including Conte, have had... Conte was throw in prison for the distribution of steroids and many of his athletes tested positive for PED's SINCE HE GOT OUT of prison - including Andre Berto... Hiring Conte is like paying a bribe... It will guarantee that Ortiz will pass every single PED test he takes...

Alexander Povetkin DID NOT FAIL PED TESTS for his Wilder fight... The WBC wanted to destroy Moscow as a budding venue for major Heavyweight Championship Fights... They "postponed" the fight to investigate tests that Povetkin passed... After months of drawn out "investigation" the WBC quietly admitted Povetkin passed every single test... But by then their agenda was met and the fight was destroyed...

They also excused Bermane Stiverne for failing PED tests... He's one of their favorites (cash payments will do that) and they kept him as their number 1 contender when everyone knew he didn't belong in the top 10.

[asdfjkl]

According to WADA and the North American Athletic Commissions, recreational drugs aren’t prohibited when consumed out-of-competition.

Marijuana doesn’t enhance performance and Wilder was only caught in possession of it whilst out-of-competition (i.e. five months after the Gerald Washington fight and four months prior to the Bermane Stiverne rematch).

'The Bronze Bomber' has never tested positive for consuming a recreational drug like Marijuana either. And even if he did, there aren't any rules preventing him from consuming those type of drugs out-of-competition.

Funnily enough, the link to the official USADA website YOU supplied within your counter-argument actually supports the explanation I've already provided:

"Recently, a handful of states, including Colorado, Alaska, Oregon, and Washington, have passed laws legalizing marijuana for personal, recreational use....

Recently, some states have passed laws decriminalizing the use of recreational marijuana, resulting in questions from both athletes and the public alike regarding marijuana and anti-doping rules....

Because cannabis (AKA marijuana) is prohibited only in-competition, many athlete inquiries to USADA ask how long cannabis will remain in their system following “recreational use” out-of-competition...."

How can you type-up sentences, but yet cannot even read them?

Really? Are you this dumb? Povetkin took Meldonium 6 months early, not only when it was allowed, but also "out of competition" somehow Wilder had no problem calling him a cheater and running away scared while letting him getting blackmailed in the American media did he? Also, it was Wilder who said "Once a cheater, allways a cheater", "allways" as in; both in, as well as out of competition.
Ortiz also didn't get tested during the boxing match, in fact, Wilder has never been tested in competition at all in his entire life has he? Maybe once in his life out of competition and even that was by his own friends, but that's it.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror? Don't you feel embarrassed? Ashamed that Povetkin is the real champ for all those years already? Give me a brake lol, the bronze cruiserweight calling the guys he doesn't want to fight cheaters and the guys he does want to fight, but do fail drugstest because they take doping live in front of a testguy not XD.

Why are you bringing up Alexander Povetkin? Does he have any direct ties with Victor Conte or the Luis Ortiz training camp?

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

I think you’re taking the fúckíng pîss and trolling just for the sake of it!

It's another example he's directly involved with, he's persistantly just fighting whoever he likes. He should have lost the title years ago, not only because of his bad performances (Arreola sended him to hospital, but the deal was that Wilder was supposed to win, so he just didn't stand up from his chair and then lost because he surrendered while Wilder was the injured guy), but also because he was way to inactive and because Povetkin earned his titleshot.
Does Wilder have any direct ties with Anthony Joshua? A real champ? No, I don't know why you're changing the subject to that question and then blame me for it. I continually give real world examples with basically exactly the same story in a different version, that's not changing the topic, those are just even more examples of double standards. It's completely immoral to defend someone like Wilder, even when I predict what he's going to do days, weeks, even months beforehand people still act like they are surprised when I turn out to be correct again.

[Enlightened-One]

Really? Are you this dumb? Povetkin took Meldonium 6 months early, not only when it was allowed, but also "out of competition" somehow Wilder had no problem calling him a cheater and running away scared while letting him getting blackmailed in the American media did he? Also, it was Wilder who said "Once a cheater, allways a cheater", "allways" as in; both in, as well as out of competition.
Ortiz also didn't get tested during the boxing match, in fact, Wilder has never been tested in competition at all in his entire life has he? Maybe once in his life out of competition and even that was by his own friends, but that's it.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror? Don't you feel embarrassed? Ashamed that Povetkin is the real champ for all those years already? Give me a brake lol, the bronze cruiserweight calling the guys he doesn't want to fight cheaters and the guys he does want to fight, but do fail drugstest because they take doping live in front of a testguy not XD.

Why are you bringing up Alexander Povetkin? Does he have any direct ties with Victor Conte or the Luis Ortiz training camp?

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

I think you’re taking the fúckíng pîss and trolling just for the sake of it!

It's another example he's directly involved with, he's persistantly just fighting whoever he likes. He should have lost the title years ago, not only because of his bad performances (Arreola sended him to hospital, but the deal was that Wilder was supposed to win, so he just didn't stand up from his chair and then lost because he surrendered while Wilder was the injured guy), but also because he was way to inactive and because Povetkin earned his titleshot.
Does Wilder have any direct ties with Anthony Joshua? A real champ? No, I don't know why you're changing the subject to that question and then blame me for it. I continually give real world examples with basically exactly the same story in a different version, that's not changing the topic, those are just even more examples of double standards. It's completely immoral to defend someone like Wilder, even when I predict what he's going to do days, weeks, even months beforehand people still act like they are surprised when I turn out to be correct again.

Once again, you haven’t even attempted to address any of the points I’ve made. You are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

You’re a funny dude and a pretty effective troll! Well done!

[asdfjkl]

Why are you bringing up Alexander Povetkin? Does he have any direct ties with Victor Conte or the Luis Ortiz training camp?

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

I think you’re taking the fúckíng pîss and trolling just for the sake of it!

It's another example he's directly involved with, he's persistantly just fighting whoever he likes. He should have lost the title years ago, not only because of his bad performances (Arreola sended him to hospital, but the deal was that Wilder was supposed to win, so he just didn't stand up from his chair and then lost because he surrendered while Wilder was the injured guy), but also because he was way to inactive and because Povetkin earned his titleshot.
Does Wilder have any direct ties with Anthony Joshua? A real champ? No, I don't know why you're changing the subject to that question and then blame me for it. I continually give real world examples with basically exactly the same story in a different version, that's not changing the topic, those are just even more examples of double standards. It's completely immoral to defend someone like Wilder, even when I predict what he's going to do days, weeks, even months beforehand people still act like they are surprised when I turn out to be correct again.

Once again, you haven’t even attempted to address any of the points I’ve made. You are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

You’re a funny dude and a pretty effective troll! Well done!

You asked if Povetkin got any links with Ortiz or Victor Conte, well, obviously not as far as I know, and it's pretty much the same question if Wilder got any connections with Anthony Joshua. Well, obviously not as far as I know.
And you really know that very well, actor.

[Enlightened-One]

You asked if Povetkin got any links with Ortiz or Victor Conte, well, obviously not as far as I know, and it's pretty much the same question if Wilder got any connections with Anthony Joshua. Well, obviously not as far as I know.
And you really know that very well, actor.

Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat… and when I decimated that argument, raising several points that you refused to comment on, which led you to strangely move our discussion onto Alexander Povetkin instead.

You also strangely brought up Bermane Stiverne’s name, but the topic of this thread is about Victor Conte helping Luis Ortiz.

What happened to our original discussion, about Deontay Wilder being allowed to consumer marijuana during out-of-competition? Why make a claim you cannot defend? Have you changed the nature of discussion, because you won't admit to being wrong?

Why do you want to talk about Alexander Povetkin, whilst refusing to attempt to defend your original stance about Wilder being caught in possession of cannabis?

What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?

Once again, you are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

[asdfjkl]

You asked if Povetkin got any links with Ortiz or Victor Conte, well, obviously not as far as I know, and it's pretty much the same question if Wilder got any connections with Anthony Joshua. Well, obviously not as far as I know.
And you really know that very well, actor.

Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat… and when I decimated that argument, raising several points that you refused to comment on, which led you to strangely move our discussion onto Alexander Povetkin instead.

You also strangely brought up Bermane Stiverne’s name, but the topic of this thread is about Victor Conte helping Luis Ortiz.

What happened to our original discussion, about Deontay Wilder being allowed to consumer marijuana during out-of-competition? Why make a claim you cannot defend? Have you changed the nature of discussion, because you won't admit to being wrong?

Why do you want to talk about Alexander Povetkin, whilst refusing to attempt to defend your original stance about Wilder being caught in possession of cannabis?

What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?

Once again, you are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

You're asking a hell of a lot of things at the same time, but I'll try to answer anyway.
"Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat…"
Where did I say that? Or are you just making things up again?

"and when I decimated that argument, raising several points that you refused to comment on, which led you to strangely move our discussion onto Alexander Povetkin instead."
Oké, so you made an argument about something I can't find back that I have said and you expect me to defend myself against it anyway. Oh, involving Povetkin would indeed be a very smart move from me, since he got accused of failing a drugstest by Wilder himself while in reality Povetkin hasn't failed a drugstest against Wilder. Very intelligent move from me indeed. Why do you call that a strange move, don't you see the similarities? You occused me of something I didn't do, then you demand me to defend myself against something I didn't do either, I gave you a perfect example despite I shouldn't have to and now you still act like I'm the one who did something wrong?

"You also strangely brought up Bermane Stiverne’s name, but the topic of this thread is about Victor Conte helping Luis Ortiz."
Another very logical step, he's a friend of Wilder and he received a lot of help from the WBC which he didn't deserve. It proves even more that the WBC got double standards. Now I understand that you gladly like to ignore that fact, but you have to be honest, also Stiverne is a perfect example of the massive pile of double standards again.

"What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?"
I have no idea what you're talking about, you once again claim something I have never suggested. I have said that he was busted with drugs by the police, which is indeed perfectly correct. In court somehow he should have had a lot harder punishment as the one he actually received, but that's another story, for some odd reason Wilder always get's away with sickening offences, while other people don't. Maybe you're hinting on Wilder his own comment "Once a cheat, allways a cheat" after he got busted with drugs. But that obviously got nothing to do with USADA. USADA also allowes the William sisters to use all kind of doping, USADA is very corrupt according to me.


"Once again, you are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

"

Really, you won't find anyone on this forum giving you more accurate answers on such ridiculous questions and accusations as you create. Nobody spends so much time on a lying troll like you are, as I did. I'm really trying to do the very best for this world as hard as I can, despite I shouldn't waste this much time on you.

[Enlightened-One]

You asked if Povetkin got any links with Ortiz or Victor Conte, well, obviously not as far as I know, and it's pretty much the same question if Wilder got any connections with Anthony Joshua. Well, obviously not as far as I know.
And you really know that very well, actor.

Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat… and when I decimated that argument, raising several points that you refused to comment on, which led you to strangely move our discussion onto Alexander Povetkin instead.

You also strangely brought up Bermane Stiverne’s name, but the topic of this thread is about Victor Conte helping Luis Ortiz.

What happened to our original discussion, about Deontay Wilder being allowed to consumer marijuana during out-of-competition? Why make a claim you cannot defend? Have you changed the nature of discussion, because you won't admit to being wrong?

Why do you want to talk about Alexander Povetkin, whilst refusing to attempt to defend your original stance about Wilder being caught in possession of cannabis?

What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?

Once again, you are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

You're asking a hell of a lot of things at the same time, but I'll try to answer anyway.
"Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat…"
Where did I say that? Or are you just making things up again?

"and when I decimated that argument, raising several points that you refused to comment on, which led you to strangely move our discussion onto Alexander Povetkin instead."
Oké, so you made an argument about something I can't find back that I have said and you expect me to defend myself against it anyway. Oh, involving Povetkin would indeed be a very smart move from me, since he got accused of failing a drugstest by Wilder himself while in reality Povetkin hasn't failed a drugstest against Wilder. Very intelligent move from me indeed. Why do you call that a strange move, don't you see the similarities? You occused me of something I didn't do, then you demand me to defend myself against something I didn't do either, I gave you a perfect example despite I shouldn't have to and now you still act like I'm the one who did something wrong?

"You also strangely brought up Bermane Stiverne’s name, but the topic of this thread is about Victor Conte helping Luis Ortiz."
Another very logical step, he's a friend of Wilder and he received a lot of help from the WBC which he didn't deserve. It proves even more that the WBC got double standards. Now I understand that you gladly like to ignore that fact, but you have to be honest, also Stiverne is a perfect example of the massive pile of double standards again.

"What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?"
I have no idea what you're talking about, you once again claim something I have never suggested. I have said that he was busted with drugs by the police, which is indeed perfectly correct. In court somehow he should have had a lot harder punishment as the one he actually received, but that's another story, for some odd reason Wilder always get's away with sickening offences, while other people don't. Maybe you're hinting on Wilder his own comment "Once a cheat, allways a cheat" after he got busted with drugs. But that obviously got nothing to do with USADA. USADA also allowes the William sisters to use all kind of doping, USADA is very corrupt according to me.


"Once again, you are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

"

Really, you won't find anyone on this forum giving you more accurate answers on such ridiculous questions and accusations as you create. Nobody spends so much time on a lying troll like you are, as I did. I'm really trying to do the very best for this world as hard as I can, despite I shouldn't waste this much time on you.

Please read back to our initial exchange. You accused Wilder of being a cheat and then wrongly claimed that he was breaking one of USADA's rules. When I undermined these claims - you declined to defend your stance and instead changed the topic of discussion, which is merely a red herring debating tactic to avoid addressing the flaws in your own argument.

[asdfjkl]

Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat… and when I decimated that argument, raising several points that you refused to comment on, which led you to strangely move our discussion onto Alexander Povetkin instead.

You also strangely brought up Bermane Stiverne’s name, but the topic of this thread is about Victor Conte helping Luis Ortiz.

What happened to our original discussion, about Deontay Wilder being allowed to consumer marijuana during out-of-competition? Why make a claim you cannot defend? Have you changed the nature of discussion, because you won't admit to being wrong?

Why do you want to talk about Alexander Povetkin, whilst refusing to attempt to defend your original stance about Wilder being caught in possession of cannabis?

What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?

Once again, you are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

You're asking a hell of a lot of things at the same time, but I'll try to answer anyway.
"Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat…"
Where did I say that? Or are you just making things up again?

"and when I decimated that argument, raising several points that you refused to comment on, which led you to strangely move our discussion onto Alexander Povetkin instead."
Oké, so you made an argument about something I can't find back that I have said and you expect me to defend myself against it anyway. Oh, involving Povetkin would indeed be a very smart move from me, since he got accused of failing a drugstest by Wilder himself while in reality Povetkin hasn't failed a drugstest against Wilder. Very intelligent move from me indeed. Why do you call that a strange move, don't you see the similarities? You occused me of something I didn't do, then you demand me to defend myself against something I didn't do either, I gave you a perfect example despite I shouldn't have to and now you still act like I'm the one who did something wrong?

"You also strangely brought up Bermane Stiverne’s name, but the topic of this thread is about Victor Conte helping Luis Ortiz."
Another very logical step, he's a friend of Wilder and he received a lot of help from the WBC which he didn't deserve. It proves even more that the WBC got double standards. Now I understand that you gladly like to ignore that fact, but you have to be honest, also Stiverne is a perfect example of the massive pile of double standards again.

"What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?"
I have no idea what you're talking about, you once again claim something I have never suggested. I have said that he was busted with drugs by the police, which is indeed perfectly correct. In court somehow he should have had a lot harder punishment as the one he actually received, but that's another story, for some odd reason Wilder always get's away with sickening offences, while other people don't. Maybe you're hinting on Wilder his own comment "Once a cheat, allways a cheat" after he got busted with drugs. But that obviously got nothing to do with USADA. USADA also allowes the William sisters to use all kind of doping, USADA is very corrupt according to me.


"Once again, you are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:

Every time I undermine one of your claims, you can't defend your stance, so you change the topic and argue another point instead. So when I decimate your new argument, once again, you avoid addressing my counter-argument and try to steer the discussion into a completely new direction… lather, rinse, repeat.

"

Really, you won't find anyone on this forum giving you more accurate answers on such ridiculous questions and accusations as you create. Nobody spends so much time on a lying troll like you are, as I did. I'm really trying to do the very best for this world as hard as I can, despite I shouldn't waste this much time on you.

Please read back to our initial exchange. You accused Wilder of being a cheat and then wrongly claimed that he was breaking one of USADA's rules. When I undermined these claims - you declined to defend your stance and instead changed the topic of discussion, which is merely a red herring debating tactic to avoid addressing the flaws in your own argument.

You accuse me of doing things I never did again.
I repeat and quote again:
"You're asking a hell of a lot of things at the same time, but I'll try to answer anyway.
"Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat…"
Where did I say that? Or are you just making things up again?"
It's a very very very very simple question, but I'll ask it in ever more details since you appearantly need that.
Do you have any URL, or link that suggests I indeed said or wrote what you suggest that I said or wrote? If yes, please show the link. If no, please admit you're a liar and apologize.

In the post above ( http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p ... 0#p4867310 ), I offered you very clear answers on all of your other lies as well. When you wrote (and I quote):
"What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?"
I wrote as an answer (and I quote):
"I have no idea what you're talking about, you once again claim something I have never suggested. I have said that he was busted with drugs by the police, which is indeed perfectly correct. In court somehow he should have had a lot harder punishment as the one he actually received, but that's another story, for some odd reason Wilder always get's away with sickening offences, while other people don't. Maybe you're hinting on Wilder his own comment "Once a cheat, allways a cheat" after he got busted with drugs. But that obviously got nothing to do with USADA. USADA also allowes the William sisters to use all kind of doping, USADA is very corrupt according to me."

[Enlightened-One]

You're asking a hell of a lot of things at the same time, but I'll try to answer anyway.
"Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat…"
Where did I say that? Or are you just making things up again?

"and when I decimated that argument, raising several points that you refused to comment on, which led you to strangely move our discussion onto Alexander Povetkin instead."
Oké, so you made an argument about something I can't find back that I have said and you expect me to defend myself against it anyway. Oh, involving Povetkin would indeed be a very smart move from me, since he got accused of failing a drugstest by Wilder himself while in reality Povetkin hasn't failed a drugstest against Wilder. Very intelligent move from me indeed. Why do you call that a strange move, don't you see the similarities? You occused me of something I didn't do, then you demand me to defend myself against something I didn't do either, I gave you a perfect example despite I shouldn't have to and now you still act like I'm the one who did something wrong?

"You also strangely brought up Bermane Stiverne’s name, but the topic of this thread is about Victor Conte helping Luis Ortiz."
Another very logical step, he's a friend of Wilder and he received a lot of help from the WBC which he didn't deserve. It proves even more that the WBC got double standards. Now I understand that you gladly like to ignore that fact, but you have to be honest, also Stiverne is a perfect example of the massive pile of double standards again.

"What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?"
I have no idea what you're talking about, you once again claim something I have never suggested. I have said that he was busted with drugs by the police, which is indeed perfectly correct. In court somehow he should have had a lot harder punishment as the one he actually received, but that's another story, for some odd reason Wilder always get's away with sickening offences, while other people don't. Maybe you're hinting on Wilder his own comment "Once a cheat, allways a cheat" after he got busted with drugs. But that obviously got nothing to do with USADA. USADA also allowes the William sisters to use all kind of doping, USADA is very corrupt according to me.


"Once again, you are simply proving a point I made about you earlier – see below:
"

Really, you won't find anyone on this forum giving you more accurate answers on such ridiculous questions and accusations as you create. Nobody spends so much time on a lying troll like you are, as I did. I'm really trying to do the very best for this world as hard as I can, despite I shouldn't waste this much time on you.

Please read back to our initial exchange. You accused Wilder of being a cheat and then wrongly claimed that he was breaking one of USADA's rules. When I undermined these claims - you declined to defend your stance and instead changed the topic of discussion, which is merely a red herring debating tactic to avoid addressing the flaws in your own argument.

You accuse me of doing things I never did again.
I repeat and quote again:
"You're asking a hell of a lot of things at the same time, but I'll try to answer anyway.
"Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat…"
Where did I say that? Or are you just making things up again?"
It's a very very very very simple question, but I'll ask it in ever more details since you appearantly need that.
Do you have any URL, or link that suggests I indeed said or wrote what you suggest that I said or wrote? If yes, please show the link. If no, please admit you're a liar and apologize.

In the post above ( http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p ... 0#p4867310 ), I offered you very clear answers on all of your other lies as well. When you wrote (and I quote):
"What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?"
I wrote as an answer (and I quote):
"I have no idea what you're talking about, you once again claim something I have never suggested. I have said that he was busted with drugs by the police, which is indeed perfectly correct. In court somehow he should have had a lot harder punishment as the one he actually received, but that's another story, for some odd reason Wilder always get's away with sickening offences, while other people don't. Maybe you're hinting on Wilder his own comment "Once a cheat, allways a cheat" after he got busted with drugs. But that obviously got nothing to do with USADA. USADA also allowes the William sisters to use all kind of doping, USADA is very corrupt according to me."

I'll do what I did the last time. I will quote your words, provide a counter argument and then wait for you to either ignore my post or discuss a completely irrelevant point.

You clearly can't be fûckîng ârsêd reading your own fûckîng words, so you lazily claim you have "no idea what I'm talking about", which is your sole means to avoid conceding being wrong.

Either you're lying or you have a severe form of dementia, to the point your short-term memory is non-existent.

[bigman1968]

Please read back to our initial exchange. You accused Wilder of being a cheat and then wrongly claimed that he was breaking one of USADA's rules. When I undermined these claims - you declined to defend your stance and instead changed the topic of discussion, which is merely a red herring debating tactic to avoid addressing the flaws in your own argument.

You accuse me of doing things I never did again.
I repeat and quote again:
"You're asking a hell of a lot of things at the same time, but I'll try to answer anyway.
"Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat…"
Where did I say that? Or are you just making things up again?"
It's a very very very very simple question, but I'll ask it in ever more details since you appearantly need that.
Do you have any URL, or link that suggests I indeed said or wrote what you suggest that I said or wrote? If yes, please show the link. If no, please admit you're a liar and apologize.

In the post above ( http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p ... 0#p4867310 ), I offered you very clear answers on all of your other lies as well. When you wrote (and I quote):
"What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?"
I wrote as an answer (and I quote):
"I have no idea what you're talking about, you once again claim something I have never suggested. I have said that he was busted with drugs by the police, which is indeed perfectly correct. In court somehow he should have had a lot harder punishment as the one he actually received, but that's another story, for some odd reason Wilder always get's away with sickening offences, while other people don't. Maybe you're hinting on Wilder his own comment "Once a cheat, allways a cheat" after he got busted with drugs. But that obviously got nothing to do with USADA. USADA also allowes the William sisters to use all kind of doping, USADA is very corrupt according to me."

I'll do what I did the last time. I will quote your words, provide a counter argument and then wait for you to either ignore my post or discuss a completely irrelevant point.

You clearly can't be fûckîng ârsêd reading your own fûckîng words, so you lazily claim you have "no idea what I'm talking about", which is your sole means to avoid conceding being wrong.

Either you're lying or you have a severe form of dementia, to the point your short-term memory is non-existent.

Just stop feeding the troll!!!

[Enlightened-One]

You accuse me of doing things I never did again.
I repeat and quote again:
"You're asking a hell of a lot of things at the same time, but I'll try to answer anyway.
"Are you forgetting that you originally claimed that Wilder was taking PED’s but that he was being let off the hook for being a cheat…"
Where did I say that? Or are you just making things up again?"
It's a very very very very simple question, but I'll ask it in ever more details since you appearantly need that.
Do you have any URL, or link that suggests I indeed said or wrote what you suggest that I said or wrote? If yes, please show the link. If no, please admit you're a liar and apologize.

In the post above ( http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p ... 0#p4867310 ), I offered you very clear answers on all of your other lies as well. When you wrote (and I quote):
"What happened to the non-existent USADA rule you claimed should have resulted in a ban for Wilder?"
I wrote as an answer (and I quote):
"I have no idea what you're talking about, you once again claim something I have never suggested. I have said that he was busted with drugs by the police, which is indeed perfectly correct. In court somehow he should have had a lot harder punishment as the one he actually received, but that's another story, for some odd reason Wilder always get's away with sickening offences, while other people don't. Maybe you're hinting on Wilder his own comment "Once a cheat, allways a cheat" after he got busted with drugs. But that obviously got nothing to do with USADA. USADA also allowes the William sisters to use all kind of doping, USADA is very corrupt according to me."

I'll do what I did the last time. I will quote your words, provide a counter argument and then wait for you to either ignore my post or discuss a completely irrelevant point.

You clearly can't be fûckîng ârsêd reading your own fûckîng words, so you lazily claim you have "no idea what I'm talking about", which is your sole means to avoid conceding being wrong.

Either you're lying or you have a severe form of dementia, to the point your short-term memory is non-existent.

Just stop feeding the troll!!!

Agreed!