Ronnie "The Shark" Clark -My Views following your comments

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It isn't meant as in injury, it's meant where does he go after two straight defeats?

I would love Ronnie to fight Leon Woodstock next, that boy is delusional and really think Ronnie stops him, loser fights zelfa barrett winner goes on to fight for British title against winner of Bowen and Hughes. Zelfa can then come again for the British. That would take Ronald to end of his contract hopefully.
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Ronnie could end having a kinda UK's answer to Irish Mickey ward career if he can go on a good run of wins after this
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Omerta wrote: 02 Mar 2018, 14:48 Ronnie could end having a kinda UK's answer to Irish Mickey ward career if he can go on a good run of wins after this
I can see this exactly but he needs pushed in the right direction.. Trying to hang around British level too long can be determental. Age isn’t on his side when you get a huge win like that you need to build momentum.. Always unfortunately been the same 3 steps forward to 5 steps back. Took a huge leap forward with beating Zelfa. Far bigger victory than when Jupp beat Smith.. Jupp got his chance at a interim belt.. Unless someone takes a chance on Ronnie and starts to see the potential then he will always be an away corner fighter.. To be big you need to think big.. Such fine Margins in this game. Very open now at Super Feather with it looking like Lomachenko moving up.. Gervonta Davies at Lightweight and IBF belt being vacant loads of vacant belts coming up.. Would also give Ronnie a very good chance v Miguel Berchelt.. Contacts are only valid if both parties want continue with them..
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When I say of Ronnie ending his career guys it is being taken in the wrong context. What I mean is he was totally hyped up and everone ignored Ronnie. So nobody but those in the know was expecting Zelpha to loose as the betting odds forecast.
So if Zelpha rolls the dice again thinking he won and takes another straight loss to Ronnie then he has nowhere to go and the big build up that has been done is over and he will have to do it the hard way like 99% of all boxers. Now wether he could adapt to that would be the question having had it all so easy and selling tickets so easy.
But as I say. The ball is in Ronnie court now as he will have proper notice for a start.
Thanks Mark.
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Putting his career back to the drawing board or back to square one isn't the same as 'ending it', though, it was an unfortunate choice of words if that was what you meant but thanks for explaining
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There's no way anyone in boxing would want any harm done to any other professional mate just way it's worded. Well soon see what happens in regards to Ronnie but I think the main thing is he needs to be given full notice then we will see the best version. His boxing ability is under rated and he hits hard for 12 rounds. I amnt keen to see Ronnie in 6 rounders etc now so I am hoping he can be active. Would love to see him.give Jordan McCorry is rematch also as he deserved it .
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I do think the talk about "Ronnie not staying at British level too soon" is a bit premature, it's borderline daft in my opinion and the only way he would be fighting any higher would be if he gets a voluntary defence

He done well, and I think his team (eg mark and his trainer) and Ronnie should be left to get on with it, without out any outside interference, Ronnie has a chance to build to bigger stuff but it won't happen overnight and God knows Warren needs a star in Scotland if he wants to put his own shows on up here
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We know a world title is unrealistic and we know exactly how it works also. Warren is not gonna use ronnie up here and realistically he's gonna want zelfa to get it back, does he I don't think so and I reckon next time it will be even more emphatic victory. I would like to see Ronnie fight Jordan McCorry on Belfast next as I believe he deserved a rematch as Ronnie was shocking when they first fought. I then think it can be a year till a mandatory is called for British so would like Leon Woodstock in between then British then Barrett again. Mark is the manager and he makes the decisions but end of the day Ronnie has a great time around him including his family, I amnt accusing all managers and promoters of this but I feel fighters should always listen to people who care about them and people who don't stand to financially profit off them.
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Id go back to the traditional route, it's fairer, if he needs to win an eliminator so be it, get to be mandatory and you will get your shot, then if that goes well you can put yourself in the position to be Euro champ.
The WBO Euro is not worth anything unless you have a promoter investing in you.
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Alba wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 06:49 I do think the talk about "Ronnie not staying at British level too soon" is a bit premature, it's borderline daft in my opinion and the only way he would be fighting any higher would be if he gets a voluntary defence

He done well, and I think his team (eg mark and his trainer) and Ronnie should be left to get on with it, without out any outside interference, Ronnie has a chance to build to bigger stuff but it won't happen overnight and God knows Warren needs a star in Scotland if he wants to put his own shows on up here
Why is it premature.. Jono Carroll is number 8 with the IBF.. Gullieme Frenois number 6 and Devis Boscheiro number 7.. Those are 3 fights I know Ronnie wins. He will probably go in the top 10 himself. The IBF is a vacant title with the highest ranked fighter being Billy Dibb from Australia again another fight that would be winnable. There is a route there available to go for the World Title thst Ronnie wants.. Ricky Burns is a World Champion because he got the right fights at the right time and took out weaker champions.. Anthony Crolla, Terry Flanagan the exact same. I believe in Ronnie and I know he can beat everyone in the IBF top 10 . Woodstock, McCrorry and Maxi Hughes are fights he knows he wins... Sam Bowen a unknown quantity at the weight but if he is as good as Carl Greaves says they it’s just as hard a fight as anyone in the IBF top 10.. I believe Zelfa Barrett beats all the fighter I have mentioned and easily.(the ones at the weight) A good team will find a path to the end objective and know where they are going.. Too much smoke getting blown up people’s arses every where in boxing. Ronnie is the fighter he’s the one the deserves the credit. He hasn’t had any big fight on his own show and has had to go away to try and grab it.. By the looks of it that’s still going to be the case..
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Let’s not go overboard after one win though.
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Ginger one to watch wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 09:59 Let’s not go overboard after one win though.
It’s not going over board he still needs to win the fights. I know this division inside out.. Berchelt is now the best champion in this division. As soon as someone can take his shots he will lose go watch him.. Dibb is Hyped fighter.. Frenois is a good boxer actually a very good boxer but lacks power.. Boschiero well he’s coming to the end we seen what Stephen Smith done to him.. There is British fights there for Ronnie also that pushes him forward the Rematch with Martin J Ward would be good.. Stephen Smith would be a interesting fight and the one I would love to see is Liam Walsh that would be fight of the year. The truth is I don’t care if Ronnie is World Champion or Champion of his Street.. At the end of the day it will make no difference to my life. He wants to fight for a World Title the next few fights are the most important of his career. You need to build on momentum that’s the reason Smith and Walsh are not World Champions because they got their chances at the wrong time.. Walsh especially
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Berchelt has shown he has more strings to his bow than being just a puncher.
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Ginger one to watch wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 10:19 Berchelt has shown he has more strings to his bow than being just a puncher.
Apart from Vargas he hasn’t fought anyone and he didn’t look great against him.. I felt Vargas was losing to Smith.. I agree he is more than a puncher but he is a beatable champion.. I don’t think he is as good as Roman Martinez when Burns beat him.. I would still favour Martinez to beat Berchelt.. He is a World Champion and is the best one at Super Feather but with most the belts being vacant this is the time for all the British boxers to push to get in mandatory slots.. Tennyson was offered a shot at Berchelt are we honestly saying that Tennyson is worth of a shot but Ronnie isn’t?? We will see what happens like I said will have no bearing on my life and makes no difference what belts or wins he has. Hopefully for his sake he will get the opportunities and fairly
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daviddee wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 10:32
Ginger one to watch wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 10:19 Berchelt has shown he has more strings to his bow than being just a puncher.
Apart from Vargas he hasn’t fought anyone and he didn’t look great against him..
:doh:

Apart from winning nearly every round and beating the sh1t out of Vargas before stopping him on his feet?
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Coco wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 08:26 Id go back to the traditional route, it's fairer, if he needs to win an eliminator so be it, get to be mandatory and you will get your shot, then if that goes well you can put yourself in the position to be Euro champ.
The WBO Euro is not worth anything unless you have a promoter investing in you.
if he was a few years younger i would agree. the fight with barrett has put him on show for folk that hadn't heard of him before, casuals like me and a fair few others. i think if he could have a scottish show fairly quickly and he sold a load more tickets than usual it might get the promoters a bit more interested in pushing him or making fights with other lads looking to raise their profile.

there is a bus going from here to the taylor fight tonight with 36 lads on it. i would be fairly sure at least 30 of them if not them all would be at the next ronnie clark fight in scotland if it happens in the next few months. i know one bus doesn't make a fan base but he already seems to have a good following from dundee and i doubt i was the only one that watched the barrett fight and thought i would like to go watch him live next time out.
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Ginger one to watch wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 10:19 Berchelt has shown he has more strings to his bow than being just a puncher.
This, Ronnie's Family do him no favours with there going over the same ground about what they expect. They do a good job sorting out his tickets and Facebook page,but they should just leave it there

They are clearly biased and blinded by Family loyalty, which there entitled to do, however they don't do Ronny any favours to be honest with there comments about winning vacant belts etc.
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Nobody said he would win a world title. He's 33 and will have a good ibf rating so why not look at that. Anyone in there right mind would look forward. It's a vacant belt and if he's given the chance to fight for it then should he say No?best comparison is Ricky burns. Lost to Arthur and Johansson and fought for a world title fight off a won over Michael Gomez.. wants to achieve his dream and has worked hard for it
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Alba wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 11:57
Ginger one to watch wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 10:19 Berchelt has shown he has more strings to his bow than being just a puncher.
This, Ronnie's Family do him no favours with there going over the same ground about what they expect. They do a good job sorting out his tickets and Facebook page,but they should just leave it there

They are clearly biased and blinded by Family loyalty, which there entitled to do, however they don't do Ronny any favours to be honest with there comments about winning vacant belts etc.

We do him no favours. Give yourself a shake we do what we do for him and do it at a loss because it’s real with us. We don’t take anything we don’t get 20%.. So many arse lickers in this sport... Ronnie will tell you we don’t blow smoke up his arse and is no bias.. I thought Zelfa was a silly fight to take.. I believed going on Ronnie’s previous performances that Zelfa was a favourite.. Told Ronnie if he fought like he did against Martin J Ward he would lose.. I know what Ronnie has inside him and he has a fighting heart more than almost all boxers out there.. I know he can box I have seen him outbox very good boxers. He has done everything the hard way and deserves to get the right fights now.. You make your wee snide comment all the time but at the end of the day you are irrelevant!! Doubter like you it’s good when he proves you wrong
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daviddee wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 12:47
Alba wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 11:57
Ginger one to watch wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 10:19 Berchelt has shown he has more strings to his bow than being just a puncher.
This, Ronnie's Family do him no favours with there going over the same ground about what they expect. They do a good job sorting out his tickets and Facebook page,but they should just leave it there

They are clearly biased and blinded by Family loyalty, which there entitled to do, however they don't do Ronny any favours to be honest with there comments about winning vacant belts etc.

We do him no favours. Give yourself a shake we do what we do for him and do it at a loss because it’s real with us. We don’t take anything we don’t get 20%.. So many arse lickers in this sport... Ronnie will tell you we don’t blow smoke up his arse and is no bias.. I thought Zelfa was a silly fight to take.. I believed going on Ronnie’s previous performances that Zelfa was a favourite.. Told Ronnie if he fought like he did against Martin J Ward he would lose.. I know what Ronnie has inside him and he has a fighting heart more than almost all boxers out there.. I know he can box I have seen him outbox very good boxers. He has done everything the hard way and deserves to get the right fights now.. You make your wee snide comment all the time but at the end of the day you are irrelevant!! Doubter like you it’s good when he proves you wrong
I did acknowledge you do a good job with tickets and that and i knew you would react like this,but if I was irrelevant you wouldn't have replied.

Your brother has agood future ahead of him and I look forward to seeing him progress
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no way was vargas losing to smith. come on now thats absurd. was a 7-2 type of fght for vargas

and shutting out a warrior such as mura was good too for berchelt. mura had stopped mguel roman rght before.

but ronne can deffo beat a guy such as billy dib no doubt. and many other ibf rated guys such as bosero. though would be harder if he had to fght in there hometowns. i thought i heard dib was gonna fght gervonta davis though
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jamamb wrote: 03 Mar 2018, 21:02 no way was vargas losing to smith. come on now thats absurd. was a 7-2 type of fght for vargas

and shutting out a warrior such as mura was good too for berchelt. mura had stopped mguel roman rght before.

but ronne can deffo beat a guy such as billy dib no doubt. and many other ibf rated guys such as bosero. though would be harder if he had to fght in there hometowns. i thought i heard dib was gonna fght gervonta davis though
Muira doesn’t travel well but yes that was a great result.. I’m not saying Berchelt isn’t good as I’ve said he’s the best in the division.. I had the Smith fight close but he lost so is irrelevant.. All I’m saying is Berchelt is beatable but would be very very hard. Berchelt in the UK is a lot different proposition than in Mexico. Berchelt isn’t a huge seller.. I was just making a point that he could fight these guys I’m not saying he will definitely win but I would be very confident against the ones in the IBF list especially Billy Dibb.. Gervonta Davis has moved to lightweight..
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I like ronnie but he aint beating Berchelt.

He has proved nothing to suggest he is near that level.

We are talking about Berchelt here.

Miura, berchelt etc, these lads are proper world level. Dib is another story. See dib vs miura to see what I mean.
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TheLeprechaun wrote: 04 Mar 2018, 03:06 I like ronnie but he aint beating Berchelt.

He has proved nothing to suggest he is near that level.

We are talking about Berchelt here.

Miura, berchelt etc, these lads are proper world level. Dib is another story. See dib vs miura to see what I mean.
Mate same thing was said about Burns and Martinez and Martinez is better than Berchelt.. Ronnie can bang and has a good chin but to be clear I’m not saying he would win.. I’m saying he would have a chance.. I am clear in saying he should be going down the IBF route Frenois, Boschiero and Dibb... I strongly believe he beats all 3 of them.. I agree with Muira v Dibb.. Watching that fight is why I know Dibb is a good fight for Ronnie and the fact he will be number 1 with the IBF.
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berchelts better then martinez imo

is ronnie as good as burns?

but yes, if you can somehow get ibf fights with the likes of dib, boschiero, etc then your talking of good chances
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