Wilder Cards

[diddy]

He was up on the cards by a point thru 9....thats piss poor. Obviously he flipped the fight in rd 10 but to have him up after 9 is lunacy.

[jamamb]

ya i thought it was close but clear for ortiz. tbh in other fights too i think were judged with 'best case scenario' for wilder. but he makes it matter less in the end.

some on here actually had him ahead though, enlightened one and ldlamb and daglchea had 5 rounds for wilder too, though i think thats giving him every benefit of the doubt

[DrDuke]

I had Wilder slightly ahead, but I scored considering that judges give every relatively close round to the champ.

[asdfjkl]

I hard Ortiz up, but didn't really count, I expected Wilder to get KOed within 12 rounds.

[PanchoVilla]

Disgraceful officiating. Ortiz was at least 2 rounds up before the stoppage. Props to Wilder though, he dug deep and deserves all the credit in the world for making it past the 7th.

[Thomastearns]

As a Wilder fan it was difficult for me to see how he could have been up on the cards at the time of the stoppage.

Nevertheless, it was a fantastic fight and, despite the start of round 8 timeout (was Wilder close to getting stopped?), another good job by referee David Fields after last years Klitschko - Joshua epic.

I hope boxing fans start to appreciate Deontay Wilder a bit more after last night. His work on the back foot was first rate. He had to keep it at long range and for most of the fight he did.

[dagilechia]

i had it 86-84 Wilder, i scored it exactly the same as 2 judges, just i scored round 7 as 10-9 Ortiz not 10-8, but i think scorecards were totally fair

[Datsue]

i had it 86-84 Wilder, i scored it exactly the same as 2 judges, just i scored round 7 as 10-9 Ortiz not 10-8, but i think scorecards were totally fair

I can only assume that you thought the short fat Cuban bloke was Wilder?

[ValMar]

i had it 86-84 Wilder, i scored it exactly the same as 2 judges, just i scored round 7 as 10-9 Ortiz not 10-8, but i think scorecards were totally fair

I can only assume that you thought the short fat Cuban bloke was Wilder?

There were at least four very close rounds, almost impossible to score properly.....Cuban is fat, but he is not short, definitely...

[SenorPipino]

I had it even.

Ortiz up 5-4 in rounds but the 10-8 6th round for Wilder.

I'll watch it again today. See if it changes.

But that's the great thing about having ungodly power. It makes the scorecards irrelevant. Just something to bitch and debate about.

And who's calling Ortiz "short?"

The Cuban stands 6'4". It's just Wilder's imposing height in comparison that makes Ortiz seem short.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I had it even.

Ortiz up 5-4 in rounds but the 10-8 6th round for Wilder.

I'll watch it again today. See if it changes.

Round 5

[Thomastearns]

i had it 86-84 Wilder, i scored it exactly the same as 2 judges, just i scored round 7 as 10-9 Ortiz not 10-8, but i think scorecards were totally fair

I can only assume that you thought the short fat Cuban bloke was Wilder?

There were at least four very close rounds, almost impossible to score properly.....Cuban is fat, but he is not short, definitely...

Yes, it's these close rounds that give me the most problems. Mainly because I find it difficult to equate a knockdown round with two that are only just edged. So I'd have no problems with more 10-10 rounds when they're that close.

I also tend to see a fight as a whole rather than the way it's actually scored, namely 12 individual rounds totalled up.

I certainly cannot dispassionately judge a fight properly as I watch it (unless it has little interest for me), there's far too much else to see. So I tend to simply favour the fighter going forwards, landing more punches etc. Last night that looked like Ortiz.

Although a second viewing can make judging easier it usually doesn't change my opinion. I still think Hagler edged Leonard no matter how many times I watch it! Maybe if I watched it sat next to Sugar Ray, that would do it.

[lillywhite14]

Had the old man up by a couple but the tide was turning. Wilder was going to be more active in the final stretch.

The biggest issue was start of round 8. Not a massive problem with it but clearly hometown officiating going on there by giving Wilder an extra thirty odd seconds recovery when he was looking fvcked.

[candyslim]

I had it even.

Ortiz up 5-4 in rounds but the 10-8 6th round for Wilder.

I'll watch it again today. See if it changes.

Round 5

Yes round 5. I scored it 10-9 for Wilder despite the knockdown because without which Ortiz was comfortably winning it. I had Ortiz fading badly in the 10th but ahead 98-95 at that point. I really can't make a case for Deontay to be ahead or even level after 9.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I had it even.

Ortiz up 5-4 in rounds but the 10-8 6th round for Wilder.

I'll watch it again today. See if it changes.

Round 5

Yes round 5. I scored it 10-9 for Wilder despite the knockdown because without which Ortiz was comfortably winning it. I had Ortiz fading badly in the 10th but ahead 98-95 at that point. I really can't make a case for Deontay to be ahead or even level after 9.

Ah I see. 10-8 or 9-8 is good for that scenario.. Also all the judges scored round 7 10-8 for Ortiz despite no knockdown.

For Wlad-AJ.. I scored round 5: 9-8 for Joshua. Included the knockdown, but Wlad did enough to nick the round, closing the deficit.

[Tony1244]

1. O
2. O
3. O
4. O
5. W 10-8
6. W
7. O 10-8
8. O
9. W

I had it 86-83 Ortiz.

Wilder had 19 extra seconds of rest after the 7th round.

[Tony1244]

I had it even.

Ortiz up 5-4 in rounds but the 10-8 6th round for Wilder.

I'll watch it again today. See if it changes.

Round 5

Yes round 5. I scored it 10-9 for Wilder despite the knockdown because without which Ortiz was comfortably winning it. I had Ortiz fading badly in the 10th but ahead 98-95 at that point. I really can't make a case for Deontay to be ahead or even level after 9.

That's a fair point, Ortiz was winning the 5th until the knockdown.

[candyslim]

Thanks. Of course I meant 88-85 didn't I?

[Lackeos]

I saw some people say they thought the cards were poor, and didn't say in which direction. I am glad to discover that most people thought the cards should have been in Ortiz's favor. Ortiz was definitely getting the better of a lot of the middle rounds, minus the KD round.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I saw some people say they thought the cards were poor, and didn't say in which direction. I am glad to discover that most people thought the cards should have been in Ortiz's favor. Ortiz was definitely getting the better of a lot of the middle rounds, minus the KD round.

When there is a stoppage. The cards up to that point shouldn't be discusses. Causes for an unneeded debate.

[Datsue]

When there is a stoppage. The cards up to that point shouldn't be discusses. Causes for an unneeded debate.

Er, no.

If anything, judges' scores should be collected & scrutinised.

[Ruthless-RKO]

When there is a stoppage. The cards up to that point shouldn't be discusses. Causes for an unneeded debate.

Er, no.

If anything, judges' scores should be collected & scrutinised.

Yeh, I understand what you're saying.. It might be good to analyse which rounds were scored for each boxer.. But sometimes, some people get too defensive.

It's like, I had Khan up at the time he got knocked out by Canelo.. Only 1 judge had him up and the other 2 had Canelo up. But then many people score fights differently.

if you scored the first 4 rounds to Ortiz, you're going to have him winning. But the first 4 were ugly rounds to score. Many judges prefer to give closer/undecided rounds to the champion.

[Deleted_Scenes]

Ah I see. 10-8 or 9-8 is good for that scenario.. Also all the judges scored round 7 10-8 for Ortiz despite no knockdown.

You can't score a round 9-8, unless there is a points deduction for any reason.

It's called the "10 point must" scoring system, because the winner of the round must be awarded 10 points.

If a fighter gets knocked down, but clearly bosses the rest of the round, the correct way to score is 10-9, not 9-8.

If Wilder had scored the knockdown, then been deducted a point for rabbit punches, that's where you'd score 9-8 (or 9-9 if you felt Ortiz dominated the rest of the round).

Anyway, I had it 87-84 to Ortiz after 9.

W-O
9-10
9-10
9-10
9-10
10-8
10-9
9-10
9-10
10-10

The 9th possibly could have gone to Wilder, but I thought Ortiz controlled enough of the early part of the round to even out the one big shot Wilder landed late on.
7th was a borderline 10-8 round. Only decided against it based on those scores being about as rare as hen's teeth.
The rest of the fight I felt was easy to score. Even the first 4, which I felt Ortiz clearly controlled behind his jab. He didn't land anything big, but he was easily winning the chess match to me.

[Boxing Writer]

Round 1 - Ortiz 10-9
Round 2 - Ortiz 10-9
Round 3 - Ortiz 10-9
Round 4 - Ortiz 10-9
Round 5 - Wilder 10-8
Round 6 - Wilder 10-9
Round 7 - Ortiz 10-8
Round 8 - Ortiz 10-9
Round 9 - Wilder 10-9

My score after 9 rounds: 86-83 for Ortiz

[NateJR]

Why TF is this even relevant or being discussed? Wilder won by KTFO in round 10.

People on this forum, I tell you. One reason I seldom post on here anymore. I normally just give my 2 cents and leave it at that anymore. Got sickk of debating with elementary children.