Ref Time-Out in r8 of Wilder vs Ortiz

[happyNY18]

Why is nothing being said about this clear case of corruption?

Wilder was out of his feet at the end of r7.

Clearly the ref felt he needed a few seconds more to recover. What was the time-out for? Wilder wasn't cut.

Sh!t like this is supposed to be subtle corruption - a helping hand for the guy who is supposed to win. Boxing fans aren't stupid - so why is crap by bias officials tolerated? The only way anything ever gets done is when Floyd gets screwed (cj ross).

[oogiebe]

Perhaps the most ridiculous post I've seen. Had no bearing on fight.

[happyNY18]

Perhaps the most ridiculous post I've seen. Had no bearing on fight.

If not to help a hurt Wilder, feel free to explain the reason for a time-out.


I'll wait.

[Mexi-Box]

Perhaps the most ridiculous post I've seen. Had no bearing on fight.

Even more ridiculous. Paulie and the commentators were correctly appalled by this corruption. Wilder wobbles to a corner and gets the added time he needed.

[Mexi-Box]

Perhaps the most ridiculous post I've seen. Had no bearing on fight.

If not to help a hurt Wilder, feel free to explain the reason for a time-out.


I'll wait.

He can't. He's just talking nonsense. It's being discussed in other forums, though. Corruption at its finest.

[BitPlayer]

It's not even uncommon, he'd taken a lot of hard shots so the doctor checked him for concussions.

If the same was done to Ortiz you lot would be talking about how they were desparely trying find a reason to stop it and give it to Wilder. And given Ortiz was too gassed even with the extra breather, it didn't do him any harm.

[Boxerbeetle]

It was blatant corruption, but we’re all used to it by now.

[oogiebe]

It's not even uncommon, he'd taken a lot of hard shots so the doctor checked him for concussions.

If the same was done to Ortiz you lot would be talking about how they were desparely trying find a reason to stop it and give it to Wilder. And given Ortiz was too gassed even with the extra breather, it didn't do him any harm.

Completely agree.

[happyNY18]

It's not even uncommon, he'd taken a lot of hard shots so the doctor checked him for concussions.

If the same was done to Ortiz you lot would be talking about how they were desparely trying find a reason to stop it and give it to Wilder. And given Ortiz was too gassed even with the extra breather, it didn't do him any harm.

That's what break between rounds is for ffs. You don't get to recover in the corner plus an additional 10 seconds.

Absolute BS.

[gilgamesh]

It's not even uncommon, he'd taken a lot of hard shots so the doctor checked him for concussions.

If the same was done to Ortiz you lot would be talking about how they were desparely trying find a reason to stop it and give it to Wilder. And given Ortiz was too gassed even with the extra breather, it didn't do him any harm.

Not uncommon? I've been watching the sport for near 20 years, and I've never seen them check a guy for a concussion at the beginning of the next round. I've seen 'em do it in his corner in between rounds numerous times...never at the beginning of the following round.

[Tony1244]

It's not even uncommon, he'd taken a lot of hard shots so the doctor checked him for concussions.

If the same was done to Ortiz you lot would be talking about how they were desparely trying find a reason to stop it and give it to Wilder. And given Ortiz was too gassed even with the extra breather, it didn't do him any harm.

Not uncommon? I've been watching the sport for near 20 years, and I've never seen them check a guy for a concussion at the beginning of the next round. I've seen 'em do it in his corner in between rounds numerous times...never at the beginning of the following round.

He got an extra 19 sec to recover. Have never seen that for a non cut.

[boxing_rocks]

Wasn't the next round shorter as a result of this examination?

[asdfjkl]

Wasn't the next round shorter as a result of this examination?

Yes it was, by a few seconds, not for the full 20/25 ish seconds though.

[armageto]

N.Y. does this at times since the Perez/Magomed fight. They are trying to look out for fighters and make sure they are ok. It seemed less than 15 seconds to me. Did it make a difference, in my opinion no. Ortiz had the round before to finish Wilder. Wilder still wasn't there and he then had a whole round to finish him. Just couldn't do it. People are just trying to find anything to discredit Wilder. This quick stoppage, Ortiz was too old, rabbit punching, etc. Wilder fought and stopped a top 4 HW in the division. Let's give the man some credit. I'm not even a big Wilder fan, I can see his faults and have called out his competition for a while. I can at least see he improved and this is a nice win for his resume. He gives fans their money worth due to his out of nowhere KO power and his vulnerability...

[Best Coast]

N.Y. does this at times since the Perez/Magomed fight. They are trying to look out for fighters and make sure they are ok. It seemed less than 15 seconds to me. Did it make a difference, in my opinion no. Ortiz had the round before to finish Wilder. Wilder still wasn't there and he then had a whole round to finish him. Just couldn't do it. People are just trying to find anything to discredit Wilder. This quick stoppage, Ortiz was too old, rabbit punching, etc. Wilder fought and stopped a top 4 HW in the division. Let's give the man some credit. I'm not even a big Wilder fan, I can see his faults and have called out his competition for a while. I can at least see he improved and this is a nice win for his resume. He gives fans their money worth due to his out of nowhere KO power and his vulnerability...

Good points. The Magomed tragedy in particular must be considered since it altered the face of NYC boxing because of the NYSAC's total incompetence that permanently damaged Magomed's life outside the ring! The stoppage was definitely not premature, but even Wilder-haters have to admit that Deontay's lack of defense and offensive wildness make him one of the more entertaining HW champs we've had in quite a while!!

[happyNY18]

N.Y. does this at times since the Perez/Magomed fight. They are trying to look out for fighters and make sure they are ok. It seemed less than 15 seconds to me. Did it make a difference, in my opinion no. Ortiz had the round before to finish Wilder. Wilder still wasn't there and he then had a whole round to finish him. Just couldn't do it. People are just trying to find anything to discredit Wilder. This quick stoppage, Ortiz was too old, rabbit punching, etc. Wilder fought and stopped a top 4 HW in the division. Let's give the man some credit. I'm not even a big Wilder fan, I can see his faults and have called out his competition for a while. I can at least see he improved and this is a nice win for his resume. He gives fans their money worth due to his out of nowhere KO power and his vulnerability...

1. Did it change the outcome? Probably not - but don't underestimate what 20 seconds can do for a hurt fighter - it aided in Wilders recovery (to what extent we don't know) but this is besides the point. The point here is that the match officials deliberately looked to aid in Wilders recovery when he was on the verge of being stopped. This is corruption.

2. The Magomed example sucks. Think about it - you are advocating a pause in an active round to invite a doctor to give the once-over to a fighter reeling from an opponent trying to hurt him. That undermines the entire essence of the sport. Thats like a standing 8 count - but longer, and without the loss of a point.

The time-out at the start of round 8 should be the subject of a criminal investigation. It was corrupt, bias officiating which stunk of match-fixing.

[armageto]

2. The Magomed example sucks. Think about it - you are advocating a pause in an active round to invite a doctor to give the once-over to a fighter reeling from an opponent trying to hurt him. That undermines the entire essence of the sport. Thats like a standing 8 count - but longer, and without the loss of a point.

The Magomed example is spot on because that fight is the reason the N.Y. commission is a lot more cautious making sure fighters are ok. If them killing 10-15 seconds extra can perhaps save a fighters life, I'm all for it. The 15 second delay really made no difference. Ortiz had his chance before and after this delay and just couldn't get the job done.

Sometimes fans of the sport make me wonder. This isn't gladiator games in the Roman Empire. When most guys take a brutal beating and quit, they have no heart or courage on this site. I mean there's some cases where people deserved to get bashed (Rigo against Loma), but anything that prevents guys from getting hurt permanently, I'm all for. If that's not taking excessive punishment when the fight is pretty much over or checking in on a fighter to make sure he is ok.

[Best Coast]

The time-out at the start of round 8 should be the subject of a criminal investigation. It was corrupt, bias officiating which stunk of match-fixing.

Get over it dude. Wilder was not sitting down but was on his feet the whole time. It had NO bearing on the outcome of the fight.

[happyNY18]

The time-out at the start of round 8 should be the subject of a criminal investigation. It was corrupt, bias officiating which stunk of match-fixing.

Get over it dude. Wilder was not sitting down but was on his feet the whole time. It had NO bearing on the outcome of the fight.

1. You can't know for sure.
2. Officials still purposefully tried to help the guy who was supposed to win.

Hopefully these 2 simple facts can be absorbed by your pea brain.

[happyNY18]

2. The Magomed example sucks. Think about it - you are advocating a pause in an active round to invite a doctor to give the once-over to a fighter reeling from an opponent trying to hurt him. That undermines the entire essence of the sport. Thats like a standing 8 count - but longer, and without the loss of a point.

The Magomed example is spot on because that fight is the reason the N.Y. commission is a lot more cautious making sure fighters are ok. If them killing 10-15 seconds extra can perhaps save a fighters life, I'm all for it. The 15 second delay really made no difference. Ortiz had his chance before and after this delay and just couldn't get the job done.

Sometimes fans of the sport make me wonder. This isn't gladiator games in the Roman Empire. When most guys take a brutal beating and quit, they have no heart or courage on this site. I mean there's some cases where people deserved to get bashed (Rigo against Loma), but anything that prevents guys from getting hurt permanently, I'm all for. If that's not taking excessive punishment when the fight is pretty much over or checking in on a fighter to make sure he is ok.

You're not getting it.

The action was killed during a LIVE round for 20 seconds to check over a hurt fighter. You seem to be giving it a pass because it was the start of the round.

Why not do it during the onslaught in the previous round when Ortiz was pummelling Wilder? How about when Ortiz goes down the first time in r9? He beats the count but the ref thinks "hmmm better get the doctor to check him over for 20 seconds".

You don't seem to grasp the precedent this sets - this is a first for boxing, a doctor check where there is no cut, just a badly rocked fighter.

You can't stop the fight during a live round to have the doctor check over a hurt fighter. Period. Why do i even need to state this obvious point on a boxing forum? If the ref has doubts the fighter is fit to continue, that's usually a TKO - not a makeshift doctor's appointment on the ring apron.

[Badhusker]

2. The Magomed example sucks. Think about it - you are advocating a pause in an active round to invite a doctor to give the once-over to a fighter reeling from an opponent trying to hurt him. That undermines the entire essence of the sport. Thats like a standing 8 count - but longer, and without the loss of a point.

The Magomed example is spot on because that fight is the reason the N.Y. commission is a lot more cautious making sure fighters are ok. If them killing 10-15 seconds extra can perhaps save a fighters life, I'm all for it. The 15 second delay really made no difference. Ortiz had his chance before and after this delay and just couldn't get the job done.

Sometimes fans of the sport make me wonder. This isn't gladiator games in the Roman Empire. When most guys take a brutal beating and quit, they have no heart or courage on this site. I mean there's some cases where people deserved to get bashed (Rigo against Loma), but anything that prevents guys from getting hurt permanently, I'm all for. If that's not taking excessive punishment when the fight is pretty much over or checking in on a fighter to make sure he is ok.

You're not getting it.

The action was killed during a LIVE round for 20 seconds to check over a hurt fighter. You seem to be giving it a pass because it was the start of the round.

Why not do it during the onslaught in the previous round when Ortiz was pummelling Wilder? How about when Ortiz goes down the first time in r9? He beats the count but the ref thinks "hmmm better get the doctor to check him over for 20 seconds".

You don't seem to grasp the precedent this sets - this is a first for boxing, a doctor check where there is no cut, just a badly rocked fighter.

You can't stop the fight during a live round to have the doctor check over a hurt fighter. Period. Why do i even need to state this obvious point on a boxing forum? If the ref has doubts the fighter is fit to continue, that's usually a TKO - not a makeshift doctor's appointment on the ring apron.

It is about judgement and safety of the boxers. Sometimes the ref makes a judgment call that a fighter is done, like in the Takam vs AJ fight, and many will disagree with the stoppage. I thought AJ vs Wlad should have continued, but the ref's judgement was probably right. I have seen hurt fighters take 15-20 seconds to get a loose piece of tape cut off. Not necessarily intentional and certainly not criminal.

[happyNY18]

The Magomed example is spot on because that fight is the reason the N.Y. commission is a lot more cautious making sure fighters are ok. If them killing 10-15 seconds extra can perhaps save a fighters life, I'm all for it. The 15 second delay really made no difference. Ortiz had his chance before and after this delay and just couldn't get the job done.

Sometimes fans of the sport make me wonder. This isn't gladiator games in the Roman Empire. When most guys take a brutal beating and quit, they have no heart or courage on this site. I mean there's some cases where people deserved to get bashed (Rigo against Loma), but anything that prevents guys from getting hurt permanently, I'm all for. If that's not taking excessive punishment when the fight is pretty much over or checking in on a fighter to make sure he is ok.

You're not getting it.

The action was killed during a LIVE round for 20 seconds to check over a hurt fighter. You seem to be giving it a pass because it was the start of the round.

Why not do it during the onslaught in the previous round when Ortiz was pummelling Wilder? How about when Ortiz goes down the first time in r9? He beats the count but the ref thinks "hmmm better get the doctor to check him over for 20 seconds".

You don't seem to grasp the precedent this sets - this is a first for boxing, a doctor check where there is no cut, just a badly rocked fighter.

You can't stop the fight during a live round to have the doctor check over a hurt fighter. Period. Why do i even need to state this obvious point on a boxing forum? If the ref has doubts the fighter is fit to continue, that's usually a TKO - not a makeshift doctor's appointment on the ring apron.

It is about judgement and safety of the boxers. Sometimes the ref makes a judgment call that a fighter is done, like in the Takam vs AJ fight, and many will disagree with the stoppage. I thought AJ vs Wlad should have continued, but the ref's judgement was probably right. I have seen hurt fighters take 15-20 seconds to get a loose piece of tape cut off. Not necessarily intentional and certainly not criminal.

Takam should have been given the benefit of this new rule we invented for Wilder:

*'TIME OUT'
* 20 second doctors appointment for a hurt Takam on the ring apron in the middle of the round
* 'BOX ON'

[Badhusker]

You're not getting it.

The action was killed during a LIVE round for 20 seconds to check over a hurt fighter. You seem to be giving it a pass because it was the start of the round.

Why not do it during the onslaught in the previous round when Ortiz was pummelling Wilder? How about when Ortiz goes down the first time in r9? He beats the count but the ref thinks "hmmm better get the doctor to check him over for 20 seconds".

You don't seem to grasp the precedent this sets - this is a first for boxing, a doctor check where there is no cut, just a badly rocked fighter.

You can't stop the fight during a live round to have the doctor check over a hurt fighter. Period. Why do i even need to state this obvious point on a boxing forum? If the ref has doubts the fighter is fit to continue, that's usually a TKO - not a makeshift doctor's appointment on the ring apron.

It is about judgement and safety of the boxers. Sometimes the ref makes a judgment call that a fighter is done, like in the Takam vs AJ fight, and many will disagree with the stoppage. I thought AJ vs Wlad should have continued, but the ref's judgement was probably right. I have seen hurt fighters take 15-20 seconds to get a loose piece of tape cut off. Not necessarily intentional and certainly not criminal.

Takam should have been given the benefit of this new rule we invented for Wilder:

*'TIME OUT'
* 20 second doctors appointment for a hurt Takam on the ring apron in the middle of the round
* 'BOX ON'

Do you really think it was much more advantageous than when they have a standing 8 count? By the time the other guy gets in his corner, plus the count, it takes probably 15 seconds. Its not like Wilder or his team asked for a time out.

[happyNY18]

It is about judgement and safety of the boxers. Sometimes the ref makes a judgment call that a fighter is done, like in the Takam vs AJ fight, and many will disagree with the stoppage. I thought AJ vs Wlad should have continued, but the ref's judgement was probably right. I have seen hurt fighters take 15-20 seconds to get a loose piece of tape cut off. Not necessarily intentional and certainly not criminal.

Takam should have been given the benefit of this new rule we invented for Wilder:

*'TIME OUT'
* 20 second doctors appointment for a hurt Takam on the ring apron in the middle of the round
* 'BOX ON'

Do you really think it was much more advantageous than when they have a standing 8 count? By the time the other guy gets in his corner, plus the count, it takes probably 15 seconds. Its not like Wilder or his team asked for a time out.

For all intents & purposes, this WAS a standing 8-count.... without the "10-8" being scored.

[armageto]

2. The Magomed example sucks. Think about it - you are advocating a pause in an active round to invite a doctor to give the once-over to a fighter reeling from an opponent trying to hurt him. That undermines the entire essence of the sport. Thats like a standing 8 count - but longer, and without the loss of a point.

The Magomed example is spot on because that fight is the reason the N.Y. commission is a lot more cautious making sure fighters are ok. If them killing 10-15 seconds extra can perhaps save a fighters life, I'm all for it. The 15 second delay really made no difference. Ortiz had his chance before and after this delay and just couldn't get the job done.

Sometimes fans of the sport make me wonder. This isn't gladiator games in the Roman Empire. When most guys take a brutal beating and quit, they have no heart or courage on this site. I mean there's some cases where people deserved to get bashed (Rigo against Loma), but anything that prevents guys from getting hurt permanently, I'm all for. If that's not taking excessive punishment when the fight is pretty much over or checking in on a fighter to make sure he is ok.

You're not getting it.

The action was killed during a LIVE round for 20 seconds to check over a hurt fighter. You seem to be giving it a pass because it was the start of the round.

Why not do it during the onslaught in the previous round when Ortiz was pummelling Wilder? How about when Ortiz goes down the first time in r9? He beats the count but the ref thinks "hmmm better get the doctor to check him over for 20 seconds".

You don't seem to grasp the precedent this sets - this is a first for boxing, a doctor check where there is no cut, just a badly rocked fighter.

You can't stop the fight during a live round to have the doctor check over a hurt fighter. Period. Why do i even need to state this obvious point on a boxing forum? If the ref has doubts the fighter is fit to continue, that's usually a TKO - not a makeshift doctor's appointment on the ring apron.

You're the one who isn't getting it. You make it seem like it was stopped right in the middle of action. Fights are stopped in the middle of live rounds to look at cuts, cut tape, clean up water, get a mouthpiece back in, etc. There was no actual action happening that round that would have caused an unfair break in the action. It wasn't 20 seconds also, looked less than 15 seconds to me.

I do grasp the precedent it sets, you know why, because NY has done this in recent times. You have NY in your username, soooo how do you not know this, assuming you are from NY? If 10-15 seconds help protect a fighter from further injury, I'm all for it.

You probably just don't like Wilder, just come out and say that. This fight was good for the division and has people talking about the HW's more, especially here in the states. Of all the things that should be criminally investigated in the sport, you pick this?!?! Come on guy.......