marvelous marv wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:54
Yes. It began last year after the ban on NY boxing was lifted due to the Abdusalmov law suit. If I go thru the fights in NY since then I can find a few examples where it happened on a broadcast.
Show me those examples when you find them please. I don't remember ever seeing that. That's what the time between rounds is supposed to be for. That's when the doctor is supposed to do his thing, not immediately after the next round starts.
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:53
Beards don't cushion blows. Most opponents ask for the shaving to avoid irritation as fighters would get in close and rub. If you've never been in the ring, it's very distracting when your face and chest are raw. Joe Frazier was a master at that.
A five o'clock shadow is like sandpaper and rougher rubbed on the face than a full beard. Anyway, I don't recall ever seeing a boxer with a beard trying to rub it into his opponent's face. The reason is cushioning.
John Ruiz kinda did it sometimes. The rubbing it into his opponent's face thing.
A five o'clock shadow is like sandpaper and rougher rubbed on the face than a full beard. Anyway, I don't recall ever seeing a boxer with a beard trying to rub it into his opponent's face. The reason is cushioning.
John Ruiz kinda did it sometimes. The rubbing it into his opponent's face thing.
John Ruiz kinda did it sometimes. The rubbing it into his opponent's face thing.
With a beard?
He usually had stubble on his cheeks.
Yeah that's what I said. Stubble or a "5 o'clock shadow" is good for rubbing in a face or cut, much rougher than a soft beard. The reason the beard has always been banned from boxing is because of its cushioning effect.
I don't know why the beard has always been banned. All I know is that if the corner don't raise a fuss about it it's often not banned now. I've seen quite a few fighters rocking beards in recent years. I'd still raise a fuss about it if I were in the opposing corner (if only for a little gamesmanship), but I guess others don't bother.
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:06
How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin. Since when are beards allowed in boxing?
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:06
How much of an edge did Wilder's cushioning beard give him? That's similar to wearing a cushion protector around your chin. Since when are beards allowed in boxing?
Either grow a beard or wear a fake one and punch yourself repeatedly in the face with really powerful blows to measure the pain.
Then remove the beard and punch yourself again in the same vein as the previous test to compare any difference in the amount of pain being felt.
I think to adopt a scientifically correct approach, you should also perform a street survey and ask the people passing by to punch you repeatedly really hard, with or without the beard, to see if the results are consistent.
When you've performed those tests, please disclose them to the forum so we can laugh at your utterly ridiculous opinions!
Seriously...I want to see the results...post pictures...lmao!
I will say I do find it odd that x2x is zeroing in on the beard thing to criticize Wilder on when there were 2 significantly more obvious and significantly more controversial things that happened to Wilder's benefit last night.
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:29
"One of the most ridiculous topics I've seen in Current Scene in a long time!! "
Really? Then why was Tyson Fury ordered to shave his beard off before his fight with Chisora? Why have beards alwaor even been banned in boxing? Can you find a photo of a boxer from the past with a beard? Of course beards act as a cushion. Would you prefer to get hit on your bare jawbone or have your jawbone proted by a big mountain man beard, or even a strategically placed jaw beard like Wilder was sporting? I think the answer is obvious.
They can use their beards to scratch , cut or irritate their opponents.
A beard does not cushion a blow. You can't grow a beard, right?
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:53
Beards don't cushion blows. Most opponents ask for the shaving to avoid irritation as fighters would get in close and rub. If you've never been in the ring, it's very distracting when your face and chest are raw. Joe Frazier was a master at that.
A five o'clock shadow is like sandpaper and rougher rubbed on the face than a full beard. Anyway, I don't recall ever seeing a boxer with a beard trying to rub it into his opponent's face. The reason is cushioning.
That's ridiculous and you should watch some old fights of Joe Frazier. I'm sure there are others too. You are correct that stubble hurts worse. Neither are pleasant.
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:53
Beards don't cushion blows. Most opponents ask for the shaving to avoid irritation as fighters would get in close and rub. If you've never been in the ring, it's very distracting when your face and chest are raw. Joe Frazier was a master at that.
A five o'clock shadow is like sandpaper and rougher rubbed on the face than a full beard. Anyway, I don't recall ever seeing a boxer with a beard trying to rub it into his opponent's face. The reason is cushioning.
No it isn't,everyone would have one if that's the case,BBBOC rules say no beards,maybe the rules in New York are different.
oogiebe wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 14:53
Beards don't cushion blows. Most opponents ask for the shaving to avoid irritation as fighters would get in close and rub. If you've never been in the ring, it's very distracting when your face and chest are raw. Joe Frazier was a master at that.
A five o'clock shadow is like sandpaper and rougher rubbed on the face than a full beard. Anyway, I don't recall ever seeing a boxer with a beard trying to rub it into his opponent's face. The reason is cushioning.
No it isn't,everyone would have one if that's the case,BBBOC rules say no beards,maybe the rules in New York are different.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:54
I can think of fighters such as Broner, Pacquiao, Thurman and especially Lamont Peterson who usually sport beards.
Sometimes they win. Sometimes they lose. Sometimes they even get knocked out despite the supposed cushioning effect.
Pac had a nice beard the night he walked face first into a Marquez right hand and went to sleep.
No help there.
And Conor McGregor had some pretty good growth going against Mayweather. Didn't do him much good.
There was a time when fighters were asked to trim their beard before entering the ring.
But no one seems to whine about it anymore. Apparently boxing people realize that the there's no real punch muffling advantage to beards.
Most likely it was always a fairy tale.
Wilder didn't rally to win because of his beard. That's really grasping at straws.
The irony is you don't even need to grasp at such straws. If you're looking for something to complain about against Wilder it was right there for you. The delay at the beginning of the 8th and the fact that all 3 judges had him ahead heading into the 10th.
That's more of an issue than his beard. I guess x2x latched onto the beard thing before the fight ever started, and had made his mind up that this was gonna the issue he harps on should Wilder win
Taansend wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 09:29
I remember once this ex girlfriend kicked me in the balls but luckily it didn't hurt as my pubes stopped the force of the kick
SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:54
I can think of fighters such as Broner, Pacquiao, Thurman and especially Lamont Peterson who usually sport beards.
Sometimes they win. Sometimes they lose. Sometimes they even get knocked out despite the supposed cushioning effect.
Pac had a nice beard the night he walked face first into a Marquez right hand and went to sleep.
No help there.
And Conor McGregor had some pretty good growth going against Mayweather. Didn't do him much good.
There was a time when fighters were asked to trim their beard before entering the ring.
But no one seems to whine about it anymore. Apparently boxing people realize that the there's no real punch muffling advantage to beards.
Most likely it was always a fairy tale.
Wilder didn't rally to win because of his beard. That's really grasping at straws.
The irony is you don't even need to grasp at such straws. If you're looking for something to complain about against Wilder it was right there for you. The delay at the beginning of the 8th and the fact that all 3 judges had him ahead heading into the 10th.
That's more of an issue than his beard. I guess x2x latched onto the beard thing before the fight ever started, and had made his mind up that this was gonna the issue he harps on should Wilder win
Read the thread and you will see that the 8th round delay is mentioned a lot. Crooked judges are just par for the course in boxing, the rule rather than the exception. Crooked refs are also quite common. I know the boxing capos wanted Wilder to win and I pretty much knew what the judges would do barring a KO. The question proposed in the topic of this thread is whether Wilder's beard may have given him a slight edge in withstanding Ortiz' blows, cushioning them. Of course beards have a cushioning effect. Common sense alone will tell you that. Does a pillow, or say a cushion filled with horse hair, have a cushioning effect? The bigger the beard the more cushioning. A lot of people here just read the first post and then make some silly comment. Beards should not be allowed in boxing. They never were throughout the whole history of the sport and still aren't in the amateurs and in the pros in many places and everyplace until very recently.
And yes I can grow a beard. I wanted to grow a big mountain man beard when I grew up (duh), but when I start growing a beard I mess with it. I mess with everything. I start trimming one side and then try to even out the other and the next thing you know it's all gone. Beards are good to protect your face against the cold and against blows to the face.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 15:54
I can think of fighters such as Broner, Pacquiao, Thurman and especially Lamont Peterson who usually sport beards.
Sometimes they win. Sometimes they lose. Sometimes they even get knocked out despite the supposed cushioning effect.
Pac had a nice beard the night he walked face first into a Marquez right hand and went to sleep.
No help there.
And Conor McGregor had some pretty good growth going against Mayweather. Didn't do him much good.
There was a time when fighters were asked to trim their beard before entering the ring.
But no one seems to whine about it anymore. Apparently boxing people realize that the there's no real punch muffling advantage to beards.
Most likely it was always a fairy tale.
Wilder didn't rally to win because of his beard. That's really grasping at straws.
The irony is you don't even need to grasp at such straws. If you're looking for something to complain about against Wilder it was right there for you. The delay at the beginning of the 8th and the fact that all 3 judges had him ahead heading into the 10th.
That's more of an issue than his beard. I guess x2x latched onto the beard thing before the fight ever started, and had made his mind up that this was gonna the issue he harps on should Wilder win
Read the thread and you will see that the 8th round delay is mentioned a lot. Crooked judges are just par for the course in boxing, the rule rather than the exception. Crooked refs are also quite common. I know the boxing capos wanted Wilder to win and I pretty much knew what the judges would do barring a KO. The question proposed in the topic of this thread is whether Wilder's beard may have given him a slight edge in withstanding Ortiz' blows, cushioning them. Of course beards have a cushioning effect. Common sense alone will tell you that. Does a pillow, or say a cushion filled with horse hair, have a cushioning effect? The bigger the beard the more cushioning. A lot of people here just read the first post and then make some silly comment. Beards should not be allowed in boxing. They never were throughout the whole history of the sport and still aren't in the amateurs and in the pros in many places and everyplace until very recently.
And yes I can grow a beard. I wanted to grow a big mountain man beard when I grew up (duh), but when I start growing a beard I mess with it. I mess with everything. I start trimming one side and then try to even out the other and the next thing you know it's all gone. Beards are good to protect your face against the cold and against blows to the face.
Ok,so if your theory is correct that bearded boxers have an advantage,does that mean clean shaven boxers are more likely to get ko'd ?
If boxers actually believed that a beard offers any form of punch protection, rest assured that every fighter past the age of puberty would enter the ring resembling members of ZZ Top.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 16:42
If boxers actually believed that a beard offers any form of punch protection, rest assured that every fighter past the age of puberty would enter the ring resembling members of ZZ Top.
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:29
"One of the most ridiculous topics I've seen in Current Scene in a long time!! "
Really? Then why was Tyson Fury ordered to shave his beard off before his fight with Chisora? Why have beards alwaor even been banned in boxing? Can you find a photo of a boxer from the past with a beard? Of course beards act as a cushion. Would you prefer to get hit on your bare jawbone or have your jawbone proted by a big mountain man beard, or even a strategically placed jaw beard like Wilder was sporting? I think the answer is obvious.
A beard does not cushion a blow. You can't grow a beard, right?
To be fair, when I was 11 years old, I couldn't grow a beard either. Maybe when x2x gets to an age when stubble is a possibility, he'll understand.
In addition to never owning a beard. Its clear that this guy has never boxed or been around or talked to anyone who has or even seen much boxing (or encountered black people for that matter - their hair is made or hair, not steel wool )
I suggest we give him a break at least until he has completed the suggested scientific test. I'm sure he can find a fake beard on Amazon.
It might take a while to find one of the same consistency as the horse hair in a Reyes glove however...
x2x wrote: ↑04 Mar 2018, 01:29
"One of the most ridiculous topics I've seen in Current Scene in a long time!! "
Really? Then why was Tyson Fury ordered to shave his beard off before his fight with Chisora? Why have beards alwaor even been banned in boxing? Can you find a photo of a boxer from the past with a beard? Of course beards act as a cushion. Would you prefer to get hit on your bare jawbone or have your jawbone proted by a big mountain man beard, or even a strategically placed jaw beard like Wilder was sporting? I think the answer is obvious.
A beard does not cushion a blow. You can't grow a beard, right?
To be fair, when I was 11 years old, I couldn't grow a beard either. Maybe when x2x gets to an age when stubble is a possibility, he'll understand.
Ya think?
Ha ha not one of my more popular threads here, huh?
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