Wilder Questions Significance of Joshua's KO of Wlad Klitshcko

[Best Coast]

It's easy to see that these comments are more of Deontay's trademark trash-talk, designed to get in Joshua's head, but Wilder actually raises numerous legit questions about how much Anthony's KO12 of Wlad really means. (Wilder's claim that Wlad was out of action for "almost 2 years" is a stretch, but the 17-month layoff Klitschko had between Fury & Joshua was the longest of his career by far.)

[jamamb]

well whats your view of its significance

[asdfjkl]

And what about Ortiz? The Ortiz Jennings fought could very well have won the fight against Wilder as well. Miller lost less rounds against Washington, Kownacki KOed Szpilka much more fast, Povetkin KOed Duhaupas far more easy, Stiverne wasn't that active either, and the weed addict that send Wilder to hospital wasn't that good either any more.

Don't do it Wilder, just don't do it.

[KiwiRider]

And what about Ortiz? The Ortiz Jennings fought could very well have won the fight against Wilder as well. Miller lost less rounds against Washington, Kownacki KOed Szpilka much more fast, Povetkin KOed Duhaupas far more easy, Stiverne wasn't that active either, and the weed addict that send Wilder to hospital wasn't that good either any more.

Don't do it Wilder, just don't do it.

Ha ha, very nice
You know, and I know, that Mr Wilder just can't help himself

[Best Coast]

well whats your view of its significance

I didnt realize Wlad's layoff between Fury & Joshua was as long as it was and had forgotten how old and worn-out Wlad had looked against Tyson Fury.

Wilder even forgot to mention how badly Ortiz destroyed the same Bryant Jennings that Wlad had struggled with in his previous fight (which was Wlad's final win as a pro). Jennings actually won 4 rounds vs a 39-year-old Wlad, a clear sign that Klitschko was already in serious decline 2 YEARS before he even fought Joshua.

I've previously said how impressed I was by Joshua's ability to come back & win that fight after Wlad had him down and I stand by that, but this does take some of the luster off of AJ's epic comeback.

As I said originally, we know the whole point of Wilder's comments are to get in AJ's head & I wouldnt be surprised if they accomplished that to a certain extent.

[jamamb]

ya true, though if your looking to pick holes ortiz beat jennings 4 years ago then looked pretty lackluster after that. his best wins were simply jennings, an unimpressive dec vs scott, and old thompson. 2 sides to it all mate

btw no judge gave bj 4 rounds vs wlad, scores were 11-1 and 9-3. i had it 117-111 (9-2-1 with point off for wlad)

[Best Coast]

ya true, though if your looking to pick holes ortiz beat jennings 4 years ago then looked pretty lackluster after that. his best wins were simply jennings, an unimpressive dec vs scott, and old thompson. 2 sides to it all mate

btw no judge gave bj 4 rounds vs wlad, scores were 11-1 and 9-3. i had it 117-111 (9-2-1 with point off for wlad)

Sorry...2 judges (Weisfeld & Taylor) had BJ down only 116-111.

http://boxrec.com/en/event/705549/1942392

[jamamb]

ya, which is really 9-3 then a deduction from wlad

just to be nit pickyb

[Kalan]

116-111 by 2 judges is as follows: 4 rounds for Jennings... 8 rounds for Klitschko... 1-point off on Wladimir for holding..

[Best Coast]

116-111 by 2 judges is as follows: 4 rounds for Jennings... 8 rounds for Klitschko... 1-point off on Wladimir for holding..

The whole point is that by the time Wlad faced Jennings he was a shell of his former self at age 39 and even moreso at age 41 when he fought Joshua.

[jamamb]

116-111 by 2 judges is as follows: 4 rounds for Jennings... 8 rounds for Klitschko... 1-point off on Wladimir for holding..

no, 8-4 is 116-112, and with a point off thats 115-112

116-111 is like 9-3 (117-111) but with the point of from wlad

[Best Coast]

116-111 by 2 judges is as follows: 4 rounds for Jennings... 8 rounds for Klitschko... 1-point off on Wladimir for holding..

no, 8-4 is 116-112, and with a point off thats 115-112

116-111 is like 9-3 (117-111) but with the point of from wlad

No need to quibble over one point. My point is that by the time 39-year-old Wlad faced Jennings his was way passed his prime and by the time he fought Fury later that year and Joshua when he was 41 Wlad was a mere shell of his former self.

As Wilder pointed out in the video, a prime Klitschko would have easily handled Joshua.

[candyslim]

If it manages to goad Hearn / AJ into fighting him sooner rather than later I'm all for it.

[candyslim]

As Wilder pointed out in the video, a prime Klitschko would have easily handled Joshua.

Maybe so. Deontay too I shouldn't wonder. That's Klitschko at his best, not merely a younger Klitschko, who was by no means unbeatable.

Is Ortiz younger than Klitschko? Are you sure about that?

[Best Coast]

If it manages to goad Hearn / AJ into fighting him sooner rather than later I'm all for it.

That was a good part of the rationale behind Wilder's comments in the video, as well as trying to get in Joshua's head and undermine his confidence.

Prefight trash-talk is one of those intangibles that is very hard to measure in its effectiveness, but as long as the guy doing the talking keeps winning, it cannot really be dismissed or disregarded. As the granddaddy of sports trash-talk, Ali's prefight tirades couldnt be disregarded until very late in his career, when he started losing to the likes of Leon Spinks.

[Best Coast]

As Wilder pointed out in the video, a prime Klitschko would have easily handled Joshua.

Maybe so. Deontay too I shouldn't wonder. That's Klitschko at his best, not merely a younger Klitschko, who was by no means unbeatable.

Is Ortiz younger than Klitschko? Are you sure about that?

Ortiz is 3 years younger than Wlad, both being born in late March. Plus Ortiz has FAR less wear & tear on him than Wlad, less than half as many fights & only about 1/3 of the total rounds Wlad fought.

More importantly, Ortiz never had his "chin cracked" like Wlad did on 3 different occasions.

[candyslim]

That's his "official age". He is Cuban. I'll say no more.

[the_doctor]

The Klitschko that lost to Joshua would have beaten the Ortiz that lost to Wilder.

[Deleted_Scenes]

Yeah, we all know the Klitschko that Joshua beat wasn't the prime Klitschko. We also know Ortiz beat Jennings easier than Klitschko beat Jennings.

What are we forgetting though? The Ortiz that beat Jennings isn't the Ortiz that fought Wilder. Wilder fought the Ortiz that struggled to catch up with Dave Allen and Malik Scott. Also the Ortiz that only fought one 2 round tuneup vs a nobody, in the previous 15 months (does that count as 'active'?).

It's easy to discredit either opponent.

The truth is, Joshua beating Klitschko and Wilder beating Ortiz were both very good wins. Neither win was as good as beating the prime versions of either fighter... So what? Just effing fight each other already, and let us find out who's best!!

[jamamb]

ya i agree, like i said above the jennings fight was 4 years ago and ortiz looked clearly worse since then, hence wilder becoming much more of a fav come fight night

still a top win for deontay but you can pick holes in ortiz too

[lillywhite14]

Ortiz is probably closer to 50 than 40.

Did he mention that?

[Best Coast]

Ortiz is probably closer to 50 than 40.

Did he mention that?

Ortiz turns 39 later this month. That's 3 years younger than Wlad was when AJ beat him.

[Best Coast]

ya i agree, like i said above the jennings fight was 4 years ago and ortiz looked clearly worse since then, hence wilder becoming much more of a fav come fight night

still a top win for deontay but you can pick holes in ortiz too

Good point. Wilder-haters have been picking holes in Ortiz since this fight was announced. The reason I'm pointing out Wlad's advanced age and corresponding decline in ability is because many Wilder-haters have been acting like AJ beat a prime Wlad.

I'm just pointing out that AJ's impressive comeback win over Wlad wasnt as phenomenal as many claim it was. Impressive yes, stunning...no!