Canelo Álvarez Tests Positive For Clenbuterol

[SenorPipino]

Don't really understand how they can let this fight go on. Canelo tested postive and the fight should be canceled. Cheating is cheating, end of story.

The meat-story sounds like BS.

Tell that to the millions and millions of ordinary Mexican citizens who would test positive for clenbuterol because they too eat Mexican meat.

If you're going to use it to cheat athletically, then you need to absorb a hell of a lot more of the substance than has been found in Mexican athletes' systems.

At the trace levels, it's worthless.

The clenbuterol levels detected in Canelo and other Mexican athletes is negligible. It's simply consistent with levels of a meat diet.

Too describe it as "cheating" is either to totally misunderstand or else to irrationally and dishonestly point the finger at Canelo because you don't like him.

[Enlightened-One]

it's almost like a reverse rush-to-judgement, isn't it?

Is it really so unreasonable for the WBA to assume innocence until guilt has been proven? What are you talking about when you mention “a reverse rush-to-judgement”?

beause, they aren't merely saying 'innocent until proven guilty', are they?

they have already come out to say they are positive he is innocent, that they can tell already that contaminated meat is the problem, etc etc

thats why i call it a reverse rush-to-judgement. they are fvcking falling over themselves to label the guy innocent before the facts are fully established

do you not notice that distinction? that they aren't merely saying what you are, 'innocent until proven guilty', they're giving fvcking character references. jesus they couldn't be more fvcking obvious.

I can understand the angle the you’re coming from… and I cannot passionately argue against it, since it’s entirely feasible that what you’ve just said is true, but perhaps a few small quotes from an article published on a website isn’t enough to fairly formulate such suspicions yet. We need more info.

Personally-speaking, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for Gilberto Mendoza or Mauricio Sulaiman to assume Canelo’s innocence, since that’s how the justice system usually operates throughout the globe. He has to be deemed innocent until the situation has been thoroughly investigated and guilt has been proven.

For all I know, Canelo might be a cheat, we simply don’t know yet, since only time will tell for sure… but the NSAC are performing their own investigation… and I’ll probably refrain from formulating an opinion about this matter until we know its outcome.

Like you though, I really hope that Canelo is treated like the rest of his peers rather than receiving favouritism due to the amount of revenue he generates. I’ll be disappointed if the rules aren’t being applied consistently.

[boxing_rocks]

Why would "millions and millions of ordinary Mexican citizens" be tested for clenbuterol? Anyway, Clenbnelo and his team know about meat contamination issue and should've been careful. Canelo's clenbuterol excuse is no better than Povetkin's ostarine excuse.

[gilgamesh]

As long as it's not causing a cancellation of the fight...which it looks like it's not, I'm good.

[Enlightened-One]

I find the following quote from boxing trainer, Stephen "Breadman" Edwards, rather intriguing:

"No one in boxing from the networks, to managers, to promoter’s care who is using PEDs. They only care who gets caught."

[boxing_rocks]

[Sklar]

I find the following quote from boxing trainer, Stephen "Breadman" Edwards, rather intriguing:

"No one in boxing from the networks, to managers, to promoter’s care who is using PEDs. They only care who gets caught."

Obviously. Look at a certain heavyweight. If he's not on all manner of PEDs I'm a Dutchman. Do you think his promoter gives a fornicate providing he doesn't get caught. He's making millions.

[diddy]

Clenelo Alvaroids,

[boxing_rocks]

[Ilya Muromets]

What happened, Canelo's people didn't pay the Las Vegas mafia drug test crew bag man on time?

[Paci]

Don't really understand how they can let this fight go on. Canelo tested postive and the fight should be canceled. Cheating is cheating, end of story.

The meat-story sounds like BS.

Tell that to the millions and millions of ordinary Mexican citizens who would test positive for clenbuterol because they too eat Mexican meat.

If you're going to use it to cheat athletically, then you need to absorb a hell of a lot more of the substance than has been found in Mexican athletes' systems.

At the trace levels, it's worthless.

The clenbuterol levels detected in Canelo and other Mexican athletes is negligible. It's simply consistent with levels of a meat diet.

Too describe it as "cheating" is either to totally misunderstand or else to irrationally and dishonestly point the finger at Canelo because you don't like him.

If it is so, then mexico has a real problem on a large scale... not good givning that type of meat to children and pregnant women.

[boxing_rocks]

After though investigation, they found a source:



They are completely innocent, as they couldn't even imagine that the meat could be contaminated.

[Thomastearns]

I find the following quote from boxing trainer, Stephen "Breadman" Edwards, rather intriguing:

"No one in boxing from the networks, to managers, to promoter’s care who is using PEDs. They only care who gets caught."

Obviously. Look at a certain heavyweight. If he's not on all manner of PEDs I'm a Dutchman. Do you think his promoter gives a eff providing he doesn't get caught. He's making millions.

None of this reflects well upon the sport. Perhaps the only good thing is that it is being talked about more. Hopefully 'Canelogate'will bring about a mini-crisis leading to strongly needed reforms.

This is a hard and long road for sure but we need to make progress not just for the fans (esp those who also have to factor in illegal substance use in any gambling ventures); not just for for the trainers and coaches whose livelihood depends upon success; not just for the families and friends of the fighters; this is of paramount importance to the well-being of the men and women who chose this profession.

Thomas Hauser wrote eloquently about this subject in depth over 2 years ago. Grim reading, and this might just be the tip of the iceberg. What is it going to take to get boxing's house in order other than legal action from one of the victims?

https://www.sbnation.com/longform/2015/ ... rust-usada

[Badhusker]

After though investigation, they found a source:



They are completely innocent, as they couldn't even imagine that the meat could be contaminated.

That is a Belgian Blue bull, and they look like that naturally. Steroids and other implants made to get them to gain faster and lean up muscle. Pretty sure
Clen is used in horses to help with breathing and stamina. US sends its slaughter horses to Canada and Mexico.

[boxing_rocks]

[Thomastearns]

Good question. A great opportunity to clear Canelo's good name.

Victor Conte could yet become the boxing authorities worst nightmare.

[Deleted_Scenes]

Good question. A great opportunity to clear Canelo's good name.

Victor Conte could yet become the boxing authorities worst nightmare.

Indeed. If you know you're clean, all it takes is one tiny follicle to prove your innocence beyond doubt. My bet is there's a huge number of boxers cycling PEDs out of competition, with any number of ready made 'explanations' just in case.

[Enlightened-One]

Good question. A great opportunity to clear Canelo's good name.

Victor Conte could yet become the boxing authorities worst nightmare.

Indeed. If you know you're clean, all it takes is one tiny follicle to prove your innocence beyond doubt. My bet is there's a huge number of boxers cycling PEDs out of competition, with any number of ready made 'explanations' just in case.

I’m clearly no expert on the subject matter, but if you Google the following phrase (“why isn't hair used as PED testing”), you might realise why hair drug testing isn’t accurate and shouldn’t be relied upon.

[Deleted_Scenes]

Good question. A great opportunity to clear Canelo's good name.

Victor Conte could yet become the boxing authorities worst nightmare.

Indeed. If you know you're clean, all it takes is one tiny follicle to prove your innocence beyond doubt. My bet is there's a huge number of boxers cycling PEDs out of competition, with any number of ready made 'explanations' just in case.

I’m clearly no expert on the subject matter, but if you Google the following phrase (“why isn't hair used as PED testing”), you might realise why hair drug testing isn’t accurate and shouldn’t be relied upon.

Yes, basically just that anything used in the last 5 days probably won't show up on a hair test, plus the timeline isn't totally accurate. Time doesn't really matter though in this case, since clenbuterol is banned in and out of competition, so pinpoint accuracy isn't needed.

Some experts say it should be used. What hair testing is very useful for, is showing whether a positive blood/urine reading has been caused by a one-off incident, or prolonged use, and whether those trace amounts were higher or not in the days prior to the positive (indicating cycling). It's also 5x more sensitive than a urine test, so less susceptible to being fooled by flushing or masking.

Nobody is saying it should be the only method, but in certain cases it (according to people who are experts) shows exactly what blood/urine misses.

[Badhusker]

Canelo has been busted, with only a lame excuse as an answer. His team, promoter, etc will buy his innocence. Hope I'm wrong though.

It makes more sense now why he looked more ripped for GGG fight than the previous fight.

[Ilya Muromets]

After though investigation, they found a source:



They are completely innocent, as they couldn't even imagine that the meat could be contaminated.

Ha ha!

So how come Canelo isn't getting the Povetkin treatment, and nobody even alleged that Povetkin was taking anything as strong as Clenbuterol (" a very common fat burning tool used by many anabolic steroid users")?

Shall I answer my own question?

[Ruthless-RKO]

IBO President / IBF follow WBA / WBC, give reactions to Canelo situation

In reaction, the WBA and WBC both backed Canelo wholeheartedly as a clean fighter, whilst WBN then asked the IBO and IBF their own opinions on the matter as the final two bodies representing the champion.

As WBN were exclusively informed last week, the Nevada State Athletic Commission have already begun their attempts to find out how the banned substance entered Canelo's system.

Whilst the IBF will wait for the final NSAC decision, IBO President Ed Levine joined many fans and media around the world in questioning why the two-weight world title holder even ingested the contaminated meat blamed for the adverse test.

"Hopefully the investigation will determine whether Canelo's ingestion of Clenbuterol has been deliberate or unintentional by eating contaminated meat," Mr. Levine exclusively told World Boxing News.

"I hope Canelo is not guilty of an intentional doping violation, and in my mind, it's probable that he is not. However, what is clear - at best, is that he has been careless in his eating habits."

"It's common knowledge that consuming meat produced by Mexican farmers can lead to a positive test for Clenbuterol.

"An athlete of his stature had the ability and means to avoid taking that risk and possibly jeopardizing this highly awaited mega-fight," he added.

Salazar gave the IBF's view by saying: "We are awaiting the results of the investigation so that we can have all the facts before we comment or make decisions on the matter."

[Ruthless-RKO]

The report came from The Ring with all signs now pointing to the fight between Canelo and Gennady Golovkin going ahead on May 5th at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.

That is pending an investigation completed by the Nevada State Athletic Commission which is currently ongoing.

A story on Ring Magazine yesterday reported that Canelo’s follow-up tests since his now infamous failed test last week – revealed nothing on the banned list was in his system.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Funny.. Golden Boy have told Golden Boy owned magazine

[Badhusker]

Lets all just play dumb, because we want this big money fight to happen.

Boxing has enough problems, and do not need this type of crap to give it yet another black eye. If you honestly think Canelo is innocent, you are dumb as fornicate. Sorry if the truth hurts.