What it is all about with 'tainted meat' and clenbuterol ?

[apollo creed]

tainted meat = cheap meat with clenbuterol ? ?

[Mimmy]

Seems to be a lot going around about illegal use of substances thats making an athlete better. clenbuterol is a medication? possibly in inhalers. Bradley Wiggins is also accused of this too.

[phillykid]

the way it sounds to me is, that low-quality or average-quality farms in Mexico has a high chance of having clenbuterol in the meat.

Im no PED expert so i dont know what 'clenbuterol does or how serious this is, but Robert Garcia thinks its a little strange that Canelo who has millions would be eating meat from these types of farms, even if it's common in Mexico.

Then again i hear it can be found in organic meat from Mexico too though.

[apollo creed]

Maybe they don't give too much attention if the beef cattle was raised 'organic'. It is just meat. But then again when you are a high paid athlete and you are tested many times your nutritionist / cook chef should be very careful to what he's cooking for you.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Same thing Lucas Browne got done for in Grozny.

[BitPlayer]

I think it's to make the cows leaner.

He's not the first one to claim this, I don't find it all that convincing. I don't really know much about these, but given it's often excepted to one degree or another I guess it's a plausible enough, innocent until proven guilty and all that.

[chinarich]

Apparently he’s fine because the amount found is in line with others who have used the tainted meat excuse previously...

[boxing_rocks]

innocent until proven guilty and all that.

If he tested positive, and it is not under a certain allowed threshold (which it isn't), then he is proven guilty.

[apollo creed]

I think the rematch will happen.

[boxing_rocks]

I think the rematch will happen.

Yes, it will. There is too much money to be earned by everybody to pay attention to little things like PEDs. WBC and WBA presidents already backed Clenbnelo up.

[Heretic]

I posted this earlier in the british section...

It seems like the food contamination from Clenbuterol is a real thing.

Taken from wikipedia article for Clenbuterol...

Food contamination
Clenbuterol is occasionally referred to as "bute" and this risks confusion with phenylbutazone, also called "bute". Phenylbutazone, which is a drug also used with horses, was tested for in the 2013 European meat adulteration scandal.
Intended to result in leaner meat with a higher muscle-to-fat ratio, the use of clenbuterol has been banned in meat since 1991 in the USA and since 1996 in the European Union. The drug is banned due to health concerns about symptoms noted in consumers. These include increased heart rate, muscular tremors, headaches, nausea, fever, and chills. In several cases in Europe, these adverse symptoms have been temporary.

Clenbuterol is a growth-promoting drug in the β agonist class of compounds. It is not licensed for use in China[38] or the United States or the EU for food producing animals, but some countries have approved it for animals not used for food, and a few countries have approved it for therapeutic uses in food-producing animals.
Not just athletes are affected by contamination. In Portugal, 50 people were reported as affected by clenbuterol in liver and pork between 1998 and 2002, while in 1990, veal liver was suspected of causing clenbuterol poisoning in 22 people in France and 135 people in Spain.

In September 2006, some 330 people in Shanghai suffered from food poisoning after eating clenbuterol-contaminated pork.

In February 2009, at least 70 people in one Chinese province (Guangdong) suffered food poisoning after eating pig organs believed to contain clenbuterol residue. The victims complained of stomachaches and diarrhea after eating pig organs bought in local markets.

In March 2011, China's Ministry of Agriculture said the government would launch a one-year crackdown on illegal additives in pig feed, after a subsidiary of Shuanghui Group, China's largest meat producer, was exposed for using clenbuterol-contaminated pork in its meat products. A total of 72 people in central Henan Province, where Shuanghui is based, were taken into police custody for allegedly producing, selling or using clenbuterol. The situation has dramatically improved in China since September 2011, when a ban of clenbuterol was announced by China’s Ministry of Agriculture.

For the full article go to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clenbuterol

I am not surprised at all if they use it on animals in Mexico

[phillykid]

^ yep, figured it was probably a global thing rather just exclusive to Mexico. The fight will go down as scheduled most likely either way.

[SenorPipino]

If a Mexican fighter has a sizeable amount of clenbuterol in his system, then a suspension is warranted.

But if it's the insignificant trace amounts that so far many Mexican have tested positive for, then it's irrelevant.

It's wonderful that brain surgeon Garcia can theorize and suggest what foods Canelo should or shouldn't eat.

More Mexican athletes will continue to test positive because Mexican industries feel that clenbuterol is a cheap means of tenderizing and keeping meats lean.

[Blodhemn]

Canelo seems like the type guy who would eat "cheap" to save a buck.

[greg]

well, it's just like having unprotected sex ...you know the pros and cons..you still choose to go ahead, there's no one to blame..you are the one who has to face the music..

[squiggy]

It's a perfectly valid thing to ask questions about. He's one of the highest-paid athletes in the world, in preparation for one of the biggest fights of his life. Do you think maybe he takes he takes his diet really, really seriously while he's training? And that the 50-plus pro fights he's had before have given him ample opportunity to establish healthy practices and familiarize himself with all relevant drug test concerns? So, would you think that he probably just grabbed some mystery meat tacos from a street vendor the other night because that's how he behaves in training?

[jamamb]

could it be merely 'trace' amounts left if someone used it a few months ago and then stopped before testing, thinking it would be long enough off it to not get caught ?

clen also used for cutting weight significantly. nery was caught with traces, and then when he was clean for yamanaka rematch he was way overweight

[Badhusker]

If a Mexican fighter has a sizeable amount of clenbuterol in his system, then a suspension is warranted.

But if it's the insignificant trace amounts that so far many Mexican have tested positive for, then it's irrelevant.

It's wonderful that brain surgeon Garcia can theorize and suggest what foods Canelo should or shouldn't eat.

More Mexican athletes will continue to test positive because Mexican industries feel that clenbuterol is a cheap means of tenderizing and keeping meats lean.

No one can prove he has been using it or if it came from meat. With only a 48hr Half-Life, he could have been cycling off it, which would only leave trace amounts.....the same as eating tainted meat.
If Canelo or his team are that Damn dumb that they would jeapordize losing millions by eating meat from Mexico vs having it shipped in, I don't feel sorry for him if caught.
I don't buy the meat story, unless they are much dumber than I thought. Strict warnings about the possibility of this happening began in 2011.
Erik Morales got a 2yr ban for the same drug, and gave the same excuse of tainted meat.

[Heretic]

This is taken from anonymous weight lifting forum...

To answer your question Clen has a half life of 36-48 hours. So to be on the safe side we will use 48 hours in our calculation to give you the most amount of time it could remain in your system. The equation to calculate this is: T 1/2 x 5. T1/2 represents the half life of the drug and we multiply it by 5 bc that's how many half lives are required to disminish the detectable levels. So 48 x 5= 240 hours or 10 days. So if you stop using clen 10 days prior to your test you should be fine. Obv, it would be prudent to stop using it 12-14 days prior just to err on the side of caution as each individuals metabolism varies.
I hope this answers your question. Btw, I am currently taking clen as well and I agree when you say it provides the body with a solid boost of energy. I get better results from clen than any other pre workout or energy drink. The only drawback is you cannot use it for longer than 4 weeks straight without the body building a tolerance. The danger of using for longer periods has little to do with its metabolic action as many ppl take beta blockers (clen is a beta blocker) on a daily basis for years straight. The danger occurs when you stop taking it. Technically, one should taper their use over a 2-4 week period to allow the body to normalize the beta receptor count. This is prob too much info but I'm not sure how long you've been using clen or how long you plan to use it. Just trying to inform you so that you are aware and are using it as safely as possible.

So talking about the half life is bit miss leading because you need to "half" it quite few times before it won't show up in tests. So for multi million bout you would probably want to cycle of more than 2 weeks before tests.... Or have a ready made excuse if you need one

[diddy]

Clenelo Alvaroids.

[Ezzard]

It's a built in excuse...

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could it be merely 'trace' amounts left if someone used it a few months ago and then stopped before testing, thinking it would be long enough off it to not get caught ?

Exactly this.

Someone who takes clenbuterol outside of competition could very easily have trace amounts left in their system if they mistime the flush, or have VADA turn up slightly sooner than expected.

That's why the 'tainted meat' excuse is unacceptable. It opens to door to athletes going back to Mexico between fights, juicing up deliberately, then having a ready made excuse if they get caught.

So what if it could be from tainted meat. It also could be a result of cheating. As a professional athlete (especially one earning 20mil+ per fight, and with Canelo's profile) you and only you are responsible for what goes into your body. You know you're going to get tested at some point. You know where the risks of contamination are (it's been very widely known for at least a decade). You easily have the means to avoid those risks, if you desire.

However it got in your body, that's on you.
Deliberately or accidentally, that's something you we're able to avoid.

Canelo should be banned, regardless of his excuse. 1 year minimum, plus a hefty fine to get his license back afterwards (to be put towards funding anti-doping programmes). 2nd offence, banned for life.

[lazboy]

could it be merely 'trace' amounts left if someone used it a few months ago and then stopped before testing, thinking it would be long enough off it to not get caught ?

Exactly this.

Someone who takes clenbuterol outside of competition could very easily have trace amounts left in their system if they mistime the flush, or have VADA turn up slightly sooner than expected.

That's why the 'tainted meat' excuse is unacceptable. It opens to door to athletes going back to Mexico between fights, juicing up deliberately, then having a ready made excuse if they get caught.

So what if it could be from tainted meat. It also could be a result of cheating. As a professional athlete (especially one earning 20mil+ per fight, and with Canelo's profile) you and only you are responsible for what goes into your body. You know you're going to get tested at some point. You know where the risks of contamination are (it's been very widely known for at least a decade). You easily have the means to avoid those risks, if you desire.

However it got in your body, that's on you.
Deliberately or accidentally, that's something you we're able to avoid.

Canelo should be banned, regardless of his excuse. 1 year minimum, plus a hefty fine to get his license back afterwards (to be put towards funding anti-doping programmes). 2nd offence, banned for life.

Agree with this. Situation is very disappointing and has ruined my excitement for rematch.

[asdfjkl]

If you want to eat a bull, or cowmeat, then the muscles are the most tasty part, so a farmer wants to sell a cow, or bull, with a lot of muscles because it's worth more money.
So in the past the entire world gave them clenbuterol, in modern western country's that's not allowed any more, somehow in poorer country's it still is, or they simply don't check it.
When you're in a poor country and eat meat, or if your supermarket bought it from a poor country, then there's a chance there is a small bit of clenbuterol in that meat, so you will get microdosis of it in your body.

This is most likely why Luis Ortiz got a microdosis of it in his body while fighting a bum and now this guy several months before the fight actually happens.
I genuinly believe they didn't do it on purpose actually, especially because of the odd moments. It was not like they where about to fight the fight of their life next day or something.

I would like to see stats of some random testing on normal people because of this, how many "normal random people" got this in their body as well? And what about all the other products? If you see that 10% of the world got this in their body, then you know that it's not that odd if a professional athlete got this in their body once every 10 tests.

[Badhusker]

Under the World Anti-Doping Code, clenbuterol is a non-threshold non-specified substance, meaning that any amount of clenbuterol detected in an athlete urine sample is reported as a positive test. Thus, it’s important to note that strict liability dictates an athlete has ultimate responsibility for what is in his/her system, regardless of its origin.

USADA urges athletes to use the utmost care and caution if eating meat while traveling abroad, and to be aware of the potential for contamination.

To reduce your risk of unintentionally ingesting clenbuterol through contaminated meat:

Choose foods from a reputable food source.
Avoid eating liver or liver derived products while overseas.
Avoid eating unusual or exotic meat products.

Source: https://www.usada.org/clenbuterol-and-m ... amination/

At least give Canelo a big fine if they are going to give him a pass on this. Interesting no one has responded to the fact that Erik Morales got a 2 yr ban for the same thing. I think the reason for that is most people just want the fight to go on, regardless of what rules are broken.