Congratz Deontay, you earned it

[Thomastearns]

The height, color, style and generation are all different but Wilder does have some things in common with Rocky Marciano. An undefeated record against limited opposition and they both lose rounds but pull out a victory.

The was Wilder's first win against a top 5 guy.

Marciano's 'Suzie Q' might still be the best single punch possessed by any boxer, though Wilder might not be far behind.

The shocking finish of the Jersey Joe Walcott 1952 fight produced the most unnecessary count in boxing history.

[MrGuy]

To my surprise I've finally been proven wrong by Deontay, I didn't expected this fight to actually happen and even if it would happen, it wouldn't be in a fair way. I'm really glad that I've finally been proven wrong. For me, it was an awesome fight to see, I had to stay awake all the way till 05:00 in the morning and despite I'm tired as hell right now, it was worth it for me.
I never stayed awake for any Wilder fight before and I hated the guy for never facing serious competition, somehow now he finally did and on top of that won the fight in a fair way.
I actually expected Wilder to lose this fight, but instead he took the beat, kept standing and eventually KOed Ortiz.

For me, Wilder is now finally a real top 3 guy, above Povetkin and with only Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury above him. I'd also have to say that I think Wilder earned a fight against either AJ or Tyson by this win. I expect AJ to fight Povetkin next, I think Tyson might become availeble soon.

I still don't have a clue why he refused to fight Dillian Whyte, especially since he could make about 5 mil (?) with it and on top of that, at least for the public, no serious excuses left for AJ to avoid the fight. In my opinion the Ortiz fight was a harder one, which generated less money, less credits afterwards and more risk. But whatever the case I'm happy the Ortiz fight happened.

Once again, congratz Deontay, you earned my respect!

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

[asdfjkl]

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Who has never been KOed according to you?

[MrGuy]

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Who has never been KOed according to you?

I have no idea what youre talking about. It was said Ortiz was chinny. The guy had never been knocked out, and only dropped what.....once? How is that chinny?

[asdfjkl]

Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Who has never been KOed according to you?

I have no idea what youre talking about. It was said Ortiz was chinny. The guy had never been knocked out, and only dropped what.....once? How is that chinny?

You said "Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.", you call Klitschko a chinny old fighter? While at the same time Luis Ortiz is not a chinny old fighter? Do you think Ortiz would win against Klitschko?
Stiverne has even been KOed by Demetrice King,

[Luis Fernando12]

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Who has never been KOed according to you?

I have no idea what youre talking about. It was said Ortiz was chinny. The guy had never been knocked out, and only dropped what.....once? How is that chinny?

A guy with blood pressure and physical illness that was as old as Luis Ortiz was, is as good as 'chinny', even if he was never knocked out before. Having physical illness and being that old, decreases a boxer's punch resistance and chin.

[MrGuy]

Old and chinny? What do you call Ortiz? Or Stiverne or whatever?

Ortiz may be old. Explain how a guy who has never been ko'd is chinny.

Who has never been KOed according to you?

I have no idea what youre talking about. It was said Ortiz was chinny. The guy had never been knocked out, and only dropped what.....once? How is that chinny?

You said "Why would either be above him? Both have a best win against an old chinny fighter.", you call Klitschko a chinny old fighter? While at the same time Luis Ortiz is not a chinny old fighter? Do you think Ortiz would win against Klitschko?
Stiverne has even been KOed by Demetrice King,

Klitschko was old and chinny. I mean he adopted jab and grab for a reason. His style of actually boxing before Steward ruined him proved that. He tried to really fight and was getting ko'd. Klitschko actually fighting him without hanging on for dear life, would be even.

[jamamb]

nothing wrong at all with aj being above wilder, seems like a strange thing to go after unless your a major level hugger

oh and sup mrguy, how you doing my man

[MrGuy]

nothing wrong at all with aj being above wilder, seems like a strange thing to go after unless your a major level hugger

oh and sup mrguy, how you doing my man

Not to bad. Why would one be a hugger to disagree with that rating? Neither guy has done much. Not a fan of either.

[jamamb]

oh i simply mean if someone thinks wilders clear cut #1 or takes big issue with aj being above him

personally i think ajs resume is still a bit better overall and i think hes a bit better

[MrGuy]

oh i simply mean if someone thinks wilders clear cut #1

No way. To bad Ortiz didnt smash him and Parker probably wont win. It would end a good deal of this debate. Both overrated.

[jamamb]

well i actually like both a lot, think ajs a bit better and maybe slightly overrated, but wilder i think was really underrated for a while and overly hated, but getting rated more apprporiatly now

[MrGuy]

well i actually like both a lot, think ajs a bit better and maybe slightly overrated, but wilder i think was really underrated for a while and overly hated, but getting rated more apprporiatly now

I dont think either is a bad fighter. Both are just to hyped up. But on the other hand, congrats to both men for really fighting and not having clinchfests.

[Mexi-Box]

He got his first decent win, but he had everything in his favor: height, age, fitness. Ortiz was a fat, old slob who gassed badly. Wilder/Joshua isn't about who will land first. It's about Wilder getting outboxed and hoping to land a big shot. That's his only chance.

Wilder again and again shows his vulnerabilities and gets an out due to his power.

Wilder is also lucky he didn't have to face Povetkin. It would've been a massacre.

[jamamb]

ya pov wouldve been massacred your right

[Mexi-Box]

ya pov wouldve been massacred your right

There is a reason why Wilder and his team wanted Ortiz really bad and didn't do all the hollering for Povetkin.

[MrGuy]

ya pov wouldve been massacred your right

There is a reason why Wilder and his team wanted Ortiz really bad and didn't do all the hollering for Povetkin.

Wasn't Povetkin lined up to fight him and he failed a drug test?

[Ilya Muromets]

After having 40 bouts, it's nothing really that impressive to beat such a level of opponent because that's expected from a 32 year old title holder.

And Luis Ortiz really isn't as good as some made him out to be. He isn't any better than Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev or even Johan Duhapas.

And I hope Alexander Povetkin doesn't even think about fighting any of those guys. Especially Anthony Joshua because it'd just be cruel, disgusting and a gruesome mismatch against Povetkin who is going to probably sacrifice years from his life, just for a payday. He is physically too weak and small to be anything more than a minor nuisance.

I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome.

Putting Povetkin against the likes of Joshua is as cruel as animal torture or torturing a human by tying them up. It's against human rights! The poor, hopeless guy shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the heavyweight division.

Luis, you said u were a fan of Sasha, my Vityaz man!

[Ilya Muromets]

He scraped a win, thanks mostly to his chin.

With a little help from the referee.

[Ilya Muromets]

ya pov wouldve been massacred your right

There is a reason why Wilder and his team wanted Ortiz really bad and didn't do all the hollering for Povetkin.

Wasn't Povetkin lined up to fight him and he failed a drug test?

No.

Povetkin was lined up to fight the bum but Wilder never had any intention of fighting Povetkin. He never even went to Russia to prepare for the fight. Then they sicced their in house Las Vegas boxing drug test racket mafia doctor Margaret on him to conjure up some ridiculous charge about Povetkin using something similar to vitamin c, and then the USSA media and the western alphabet gangs played it up like Povetkin was caught with heroin needles hanging outa his arm. They don't want no Russians intruding on their private Joshua and Wilder show.

[Enlightened-One]

Wilder is also lucky he didn't have to face Povetkin. It would've been a massacre.

I'm not sure about Povetkin being as good as you believe him to be. I don't expect the Russian to look good against David Price.

For sure, Povetkin may probably win that bout, but he'll deliver a very lacklustre performance.

I think that when reality inevitably fulfills my expectations, you'll very likely revise your opinion.

[asdfjkl]

Wilder is also lucky he didn't have to face Povetkin. It would've been a massacre.

I'm not sure about Povetkin being as good as you believe him to be. I don't expect the Russian to look good against David Price.

For sure, Povetkin may probably win that bout, but he'll deliver a very lacklustre performance.

I think that when reality inevitably fulfills my expectations, you'll very likely revise your opinion.

Povetkin got a lot older over time, but at the time he would have destroyed Wilder easely. Wilder meanwhile improved a lot, Wilder vs Stiverne shows it all. The first match was sort of exciting, the 2nd match everybody who knew something about boxing was worried about Stiverne his health.

[Luis Fernando12]

After having 40 bouts, it's nothing really that impressive to beat such a level of opponent because that's expected from a 32 year old title holder.

And Luis Ortiz really isn't as good as some made him out to be. He isn't any better than Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev or even Johan Duhapas.

And I hope Alexander Povetkin doesn't even think about fighting any of those guys. Especially Anthony Joshua because it'd just be cruel, disgusting and a gruesome mismatch against Povetkin who is going to probably sacrifice years from his life, just for a payday. He is physically too weak and small to be anything more than a minor nuisance.

I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome.

Putting Povetkin against the likes of Joshua is as cruel as animal torture or torturing a human by tying them up. It's against human rights! The poor, hopeless guy shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the heavyweight division.

Luis, you said u were a fan of Sasha, my Vityaz man!

One of his biggest fans! But I still try to remain realistic and objective though. Of course, if Alexander Povetkin himself decides that he can do what I don't believe he can and if he then goes on to beat the likes of Anthony Joshua, I'd be very pleased and would even be supporting him if they fought.

However, based on my own personal line of thinking, I feel these bouts are mismatches since they don't seem like they even belong in the same division. Rather, as a fan, I'd prefer seeing him in bouts that I don't deem to be mismatches against him such as against small heavyweights like David Haye or against cruiser weights (which is where he probably belongs). That's just my opinion!

Although if Povetkin does decide to fight Joshua, I would undoubtedly support him (in hope, rather than expectation) and would be glad if he can pull of a victory.

[caldo2025]

No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.

[littlepug]

No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.

Wilder shouldve spent more time on the basics when starting out, its probably too late now, showed heart and power but as usual very little in the way of a boxing brain, Ortiz while dangerous didnt have the zip a younger guy would of, so while its looks good on the record its not like he was a young hungry contender chomping at the bit, only a matter of time before Wilder gets found out but i have enjoyed the ride so far so no complaints from me