Who, in boxing history, can demolish Anthony Joshua?

[Matt the Master]

And the man in his 40's that had him down and gassed was also one of the most consummate fit and active athletes in the history of the sport, trained day in day out in perennially great shape, you could argue that point if it was David Haye or even Lennox Lewis, but Wladimir was fitter at 40 than most are in their 30's, that's why I hate it when people try to discredit AJ's win over an ex super champion, because AJ simply beat him because he was the superior fighter !

I didn't discredit his victory at all, but I don't think it's unfair to say that he could potentially meet a more dangerous opponent before his career is out simply by the virtue of said opponent being in his physical prime still.

Fittest? The guy had no stamina. That is one reason why he had to fight at such a slow pace.
His biggest win was against a senior citizen with no chin and he got decked in the process.
So yes, it should it be "discredited".

You haven't the slightest clue what your talking about, its a well known fact that the Klitschko brothers, and in particular Wladimir, were seriously dedicated athletes that lived the health and fitness lifestyle to the max ! People like Steve Bunce who gave been insiders in the boxing industry for decades will tell you exactly the same as I just did regarding Wladimir Klitschko, not that I need Bunce to tell me that, its common sense, but you clearly won't take common sense or my word for it, so maybe Steve Bunce's and allegedly's word would be better for you !!!

[Matt the Master]

And the man in his 40's that had him down and gassed was also one of the most consummate fit and active athletes in the history of the sport, trained day in day out in perennially great shape, you could argue that point if it was David Haye or even Lennox Lewis, but Wladimir was fitter at 40 than most are in their 30's, that's why I hate it when people try to discredit AJ's win over an ex super champion, because AJ simply beat him because he was the superior fighter !

I didn't discredit his victory at all, but I don't think it's unfair to say that he could potentially meet a more dangerous opponent before his career is out simply by the virtue of said opponent being in his physical prime still.

Fittest? The guy had no stamina. That is one reason why he had to fight at such a slow pace.
His biggest win was against a senior citizen with no chin and he got decked in the process.
So yes, it should it be "discredited".

You haven't the slightest clue what your talking about, its a well known fact that the Klitschko brothers, and in particular Wladimir, were seriously dedicated athletes that lived the health and fitness lifestyle to the max ! People like Steve Bunce and allegedly (just to cite two that happen to be from England) who have been insiders in the boxing industry for decades will tell you exactly the same as I just did regarding Wladimir Klitschko, not that I need Bunce or Warren to tell me that, or Manny Steward, its common sense, but you clearly won't take common sense or my word for it, so maybe Steve Bunce's and allegedly's word would be better for you !!!

[Ambling Alp II]

Yes or no, did Wladimir have stamina problems?

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

-Wlad said at the time according to boxrec that he didn't pace himself for Puritty, but there was much more to it.

He and Vitali were billed as invincible Klitschko knockout monsters. He was 22 and that was his 9th fight in 1998 with 13 in 1997 and both were trained Sudnek who was an ama trainer, not pro. Puritty was a punching bag for 10 rds and most refs would have stopped the fight for being 100% noncompetitive. He suckered Wlad with a big flurry at the close of the 10th, so the 21-22 year old kid in his 22nd fight over that time span was ill prepared for those tactics as was Fitz. We don't know if Wlad could have recovered since the fight was stopped by Fitz, but over all it was strategic incompetence having Wlad fight so many times so young while still filling out and not backing off the last few rounds where in a more defensive posture he wouldn't be caught.

Every fight Wlad took the distance, there was no problem. Sanders got in a leaping headbutt before knocking Wlad down 5x in a short 2rd fight with the ref stoppage with Wlad beating the count each time. 99% of the heavies ever existent would've ended up counted out and there would precious few survivors. No stamina prob.

Brewster was pummeled mercilessly with left jabs mostly, so noncompetitive that Roy Jones was crying out the fight needed to be stopped. It was a fairly easy fight in that he could land nothing on Wlad any note until tackling him on what should have been a KD call by Byrd where Wlad mysteriously couldn't get up, a clear case of being drugged at some point. Betting had been suspended days before the fight because of a huge influx of Brit bets on Brewster who was a horrid boxer. My first impression was later backed up by Steward and Vitali. No stamina prob.

Fury took him the distance with neither having a stamina problem.

Wlad was game as hell against Joshua with no stamina prob. The whole stamina and chin question has been blown out of proportion. He never took a ten count, beating every count, but of course Vitali was cast iron in comparison to Wlad and just about everyone who ever boxed.

[Ambling Alp II]

Blown out of proportion? More like swept under the rug.

Yes he could go 12 rounds, but he had to grab and clutch his way there. A lot of people can walk 26 miles, but can't run a marathon.
He never took a 10-count because the referee stooped it first because he was in no condition to continue. Purritty, Sanders, Brewster. Almost by Peter.

[Kalan]

Blown out of proportion? More like swept under the rug.

Yes he could go 12 rounds, but he had to grab and clutch his way there. A lot of people can walk 26 miles, but can't run a marathon.
He never took a 10-count because the referee stooped it first because he was in no condition to continue. Purritty, Sanders, Brewster. Almost by Peter.

You're the guy who always excuses Walcott's early losses (one Hell of a lot more losses than Wlad) by saying he was a better old fighter... He didn't hook up with a masterful boxing coach when he got old... He beat a diminishing Charles.

Wladimir Klitschko was 10 X better after he'd been with Emanuel Steward for 3 years. You only refer to his incompetent younger days when he lost... You give old timers credit for getting off the canvas and winning, but say Wladimir almost got beaten by Peter (actually he was never hurt. Steward said he still had stance and balance issues to correct)... Give him credit.. He won solidly and beat Peter more easily in their rematch... He also beat Brewster easily in their rematch (Lamon quit) and has more consecutive Title Defenses than anyone except Louis and Holmes.

At the peak of his reign, Wadimir was easily more skilled than any Heavyweight of the 20th Century except Johnson, Tunney, and Holmes... It's extremely doubtful those guys could have beaten him because Wlad was so much bigger and stronger... Only Joshua and Vitali could could have beaten him because of their size, strength, and all around skills.

[HomicideHenry]

The kid from UP that's who

[overhand_right]

Oof! This thread is a tour de force in cringe.

[oogiebe]

Oof! This thread is a tour de force in cringe.

LMFAO! I'm loving seeing these threads again.

[Flump]

It's just a shame that Kalan isn't around to give an update on AJ's greatest of all time credentials.

I mean I'm sure most of us are thinking, yeah Ali was good, but how would he have done against Ruiz?

[oogiebe]

It's just a shame that Kalan isn't around to give an update on AJ's greatest of all time credentials.

I mean I'm sure most of us are thinking, yeah Ali was good, but how would he have done against Ruiz?

LMAO! Would've been epic!

[orbtastic]

"up there with the elite"

classic.