Congratz Deontay, you earned it

[jamamb]

deontay over the years has really has shown very little improvement in technique or ring iq, and considering hes almost 33 with 40 fights and a decade pro im not really sure hes learning all that much now . hes almost all excellent natural attributes. great power, speed, height, reach, stamina, etc.

[asdfjkl]

He improved massively actually, first he had it all, except for skills and now he has that too.

[Ilya Muromets]

After having 40 bouts, it's nothing really that impressive to beat such a level of opponent because that's expected from a 32 year old title holder.

And Luis Ortiz really isn't as good as some made him out to be. He isn't any better than Jarrell Miller, Kubrat Pulev or even Johan Duhapas.

And I hope Alexander Povetkin doesn't even think about fighting any of those guys. Especially Anthony Joshua because it'd just be cruel, disgusting and a gruesome mismatch against Povetkin who is going to probably sacrifice years from his life, just for a payday. He is physically too weak and small to be anything more than a minor nuisance.

I don't even think he beats David Price in all honesty. Too much physical size and strength for Povetkin to overcome.

Putting Povetkin against the likes of Joshua is as cruel as animal torture or torturing a human by tying them up. It's against human rights! The poor, hopeless guy shouldn't even be allowed to compete in the heavyweight division.

Luis, you said u were a fan of Sasha, my Vityaz man!

One of his biggest fans! But I still try to remain realistic and objective though. Of course, if Alexander Povetkin himself decides that he can do what I don't believe he can and if he then goes on to beat the likes of Anthony Joshua, I'd be very pleased and would even be supporting him if they fought.

However, based on my own personal line of thinking, I feel these bouts are mismatches since they don't seem like they even belong in the same division. Rather, as a fan, I'd prefer seeing him in bouts that I don't deem to be mismatches against him such as against small heavyweights like David Haye or against cruiser weights (which is where he probably belongs). That's just my opinion!

Although if Povetkin does decide to fight Joshua, I would undoubtedly support him (in hope, rather than expectation) and would be glad if he can pull of a victory.

The way it's set up now, like it or not, he's in the same weight class as the giant guys. Really tho they don't outweigh him much, and he weighs more than Wilder. I think weight has to be the criteria, just the way it is, only the current weight divisions are irrational. I also think Sasha can beat them. Hey, if i could shake off the years and box again they'd put me in the ring with some 6' 9" guy outweighing me by maybe 50 or 75 pounds (i was 30 or 40 pounds less than than i was when i later muscled up as i was in that photo i once posted) the main thing I'd want to do is run away, but failing that I'd dive right in and the hell with the torpedoes, or whatever that saying is. I can see Sasha doing that too - and winning.

Like with Wilder, i think he's far more skilled than Ortiz, and Ortiz came so close to ko'g him. Ortiz is really no bigger than Sasha. He has one inch on him and a few pounds, but he was also carrying some blubber. Neither Sasha nor Ortiz is extraordinarily cut up like the dopers. Don't worry about his health, amigo. Your not his mama. He's in a rough sport on a rough planet. Nobody gets out alive.

[caldo2025]

No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.

Wilder shouldve spent more time on the basics when starting out, its probably too late now, showed heart and power but as usual very little in the way of a boxing brain, Ortiz while dangerous didnt have the zip a younger guy would of, so while its looks good on the record its not like he was a young hungry contender chomping at the bit, only a matter of time before Wilder gets found out but i have enjoyed the ride so far so no complaints from me

I couldn't disagree more with you unfortunately. Firstly, I thought that Ortiz looked fantastic. His reflexes were sharp and lightening fast with his counters and that's why the fight collected some boo's early on. Every time Wilder initiated a jab o a power punch, Ortiz would have a series of snapping punches coming back and him which actually lead to the big trouble Wilder had making it to the end of the round.

The other thing is that Wilder is improving. His jab is becoming a huge weapon and I think that is what won him the fight late. He kept a steady jab going that lead to the big shots. I just feel that Wilder gets people out of there when he just decides to. His bum rush on people may not look pretty but can you imagine being on the receiving end of that? Ortiz did the only thing you can do with a Wilder rush like that. Throw with him and then it's a whoever lands first, wins. Wilder doesn't lose those scrums.

I saw more skill out of Ortiz last weekend than i've seen in Joshua's several fights. I think that we have a true classic battle ahead of us with Wilder and Ortiz provided that AJ gets by his next one which is not an easy fight at all.

[littlepug]

No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.

Wilder shouldve spent more time on the basics when starting out, its probably too late now, showed heart and power but as usual very little in the way of a boxing brain, Ortiz while dangerous didnt have the zip a younger guy would of, so while its looks good on the record its not like he was a young hungry contender chomping at the bit, only a matter of time before Wilder gets found out but i have enjoyed the ride so far so no complaints from me

I couldn't disagree more with you unfortunately. Firstly, I thought that Ortiz looked fantastic. His reflexes were sharp and lightening fast with his counters and that's why the fight collected some boo's early on. Every time Wilder initiated a jab o a power punch, Ortiz would have a series of snapping punches coming back and him which actually lead to the big trouble Wilder had making it to the end of the round.

The other thing is that Wilder is improving. His jab is becoming a huge weapon and I think that is what won him the fight late. He kept a steady jab going that lead to the big shots. I just feel that Wilder gets people out of there when he just decides to. His bum rush on people may not look pretty but can you imagine being on the receiving end of that? Ortiz did the only thing you can do with a Wilder rush like that. Throw with him and then it's a whoever lands first, wins. Wilder doesn't lose those scrums.

I saw more skill out of Ortiz last weekend than i've seen in Joshua's several fights. I think that we have a true classic battle ahead of us with Wilder and Ortiz provided that AJ gets by his next one which is not an easy fight at all.

Fair enough, nothing wrong (or new) with differing opinions in this game, in terms of fluid boxing i agree that Ortiz could teach Joshua a thing or two although Josh wouldve probably finished it in the 7th had he been in the same position, one thing i think we will agree on is that Wilders jab is improving, his feet/balance though need work so that other punches can flow from off that jab, anyway having fun watching him which is the whole point really.

[caldo2025]

Wilder shouldve spent more time on the basics when starting out, its probably too late now, showed heart and power but as usual very little in the way of a boxing brain, Ortiz while dangerous didnt have the zip a younger guy would of, so while its looks good on the record its not like he was a young hungry contender chomping at the bit, only a matter of time before Wilder gets found out but i have enjoyed the ride so far so no complaints from me

I couldn't disagree more with you unfortunately. Firstly, I thought that Ortiz looked fantastic. His reflexes were sharp and lightening fast with his counters and that's why the fight collected some boo's early on. Every time Wilder initiated a jab o a power punch, Ortiz would have a series of snapping punches coming back and him which actually lead to the big trouble Wilder had making it to the end of the round.

The other thing is that Wilder is improving. His jab is becoming a huge weapon and I think that is what won him the fight late. He kept a steady jab going that lead to the big shots. I just feel that Wilder gets people out of there when he just decides to. His bum rush on people may not look pretty but can you imagine being on the receiving end of that? Ortiz did the only thing you can do with a Wilder rush like that. Throw with him and then it's a whoever lands first, wins. Wilder doesn't lose those scrums.

I saw more skill out of Ortiz last weekend than i've seen in Joshua's several fights. I think that we have a true classic battle ahead of us with Wilder and Ortiz provided that AJ gets by his next one which is not an easy fight at all.

Fair enough, nothing wrong (or new) with differing opinions in this game, in terms of fluid boxing i agree that Ortiz could teach Joshua a thing or two although Josh wouldve probably finished it in the 7th had he been in the same position, one thing i think we will agree on is that Wilders jab is improving, his feet/balance though need work so that other punches can flow from off that jab, anyway having fun watching him which is the whole point really.

You are probably right man. AJ may have gotten him out of there in the 7th depending upon his conditioning. Though that round was great for Ortiz, it lost him the fight because he had nothing left in the tank. The more i think about that fight, the more i like Ortiz which is strange considering he got KO'd. Ortiz couldn't have given more or done anything differently I think. Am i wrong? I love a fighter not just there for the check. Ortiz wanted that fight badly. I'd LOVE to see them fight again.

What do you think of the weight difference between AJ and Wilder? Can Wilder realistically defeat AJ while giving up 35 pounds in there? Wilder was only 214 the other night. 214? I'm sure it will help with speed and perhaps conditioning being that light but at 249 or whatever AJ is, that's like Cruiserweight fighting a Welterweight relatively.

[littlepug]

I couldn't disagree more with you unfortunately. Firstly, I thought that Ortiz looked fantastic. His reflexes were sharp and lightening fast with his counters and that's why the fight collected some boo's early on. Every time Wilder initiated a jab o a power punch, Ortiz would have a series of snapping punches coming back and him which actually lead to the big trouble Wilder had making it to the end of the round.

The other thing is that Wilder is improving. His jab is becoming a huge weapon and I think that is what won him the fight late. He kept a steady jab going that lead to the big shots. I just feel that Wilder gets people out of there when he just decides to. His bum rush on people may not look pretty but can you imagine being on the receiving end of that? Ortiz did the only thing you can do with a Wilder rush like that. Throw with him and then it's a whoever lands first, wins. Wilder doesn't lose those scrums.

I saw more skill out of Ortiz last weekend than i've seen in Joshua's several fights. I think that we have a true classic battle ahead of us with Wilder and Ortiz provided that AJ gets by his next one which is not an easy fight at all.

Fair enough, nothing wrong (or new) with differing opinions in this game, in terms of fluid boxing i agree that Ortiz could teach Joshua a thing or two although Josh wouldve probably finished it in the 7th had he been in the same position, one thing i think we will agree on is that Wilders jab is improving, his feet/balance though need work so that other punches can flow from off that jab, anyway having fun watching him which is the whole point really.

You are probably right man. AJ may have gotten him out of there in the 7th depending upon his conditioning. Though that round was great for Ortiz, it lost him the fight because he had nothing left in the tank. The more i think about that fight, the more i like Ortiz which is strange considering he got KO'd. Ortiz couldn't have given more or done anything differently I think. Am i wrong? I love a fighter not just there for the check. Ortiz wanted that fight badly. I'd LOVE to see them fight again.

What do you think of the weight difference between AJ and Wilder? Can Wilder realistically defeat AJ while giving up 35 pounds in there? Wilder was only 214 the other night. 214? I'm sure it will help with speed and perhaps conditioning being that light but at 249 or whatever AJ is, that's like Cruiserweight fighting a Welterweight relatively.

Keep forgetting Wilder is so light although it hasnt harmed him yet, in fact if he could add a bit more finesse to his game i would say his weight wouldnt matter, AJ is too big for my liking but is a proper powerhouse himself, im 50/50 on a winner but will side with josh for now just for having the better technique but wouldnt bet on it.

[jamamb]

He improved massively actually, first he had it all, except for skills and now he has that too.

what did he have post-stverne 1 that he ddnt have in that fght?

someone said his jabs becomng a huge weapon but it hadnt been there much since stiverne 1 and even wash outjabbed him. do ppl actually watch the fights?

deontay is an athletically gifted beast but hes not really improvng much at on the fine ponts

[Datsue]

He improved massively actually, first he had it all, except for skills and now he has that too.

what did he have post-stverne 1 that he ddnt have in that fght?

someone said his jabs becomng a huge weapon but it hadnt been there much since stiverne 1 and even wash outjabbed him. do ppl actually watch the fights?

deontay is an athletically gifted beast but hes not really improvng much at on the fine ponts

I also don't get the "improving skills" line. If anything, out of things I didn't know he had, his ability to take a shot impressed me (I guessed he always had stamina, look at his title defences, most managed to take him late) & his recovery in a dogfight.

Also encouraging—for him, I mean—that he knew what to do when hurt, which was cling on for dear life, that sort of survival instinct will stand him well versus AJ should they ever get in a ring.

[Counter-puncher]

Fair enough, nothing wrong (or new) with differing opinions in this game, in terms of fluid boxing i agree that Ortiz could teach Joshua a thing or two although Josh wouldve probably finished it in the 7th had he been in the same position, one thing i think we will agree on is that Wilders jab is improving, his feet/balance though need work so that other punches can flow from off that jab, anyway having fun watching him which is the whole point really.

You are probably right man. AJ may have gotten him out of there in the 7th depending upon his conditioning. Though that round was great for Ortiz, it lost him the fight because he had nothing left in the tank. The more i think about that fight, the more i like Ortiz which is strange considering he got KO'd. Ortiz couldn't have given more or done anything differently I think. Am i wrong? I love a fighter not just there for the check. Ortiz wanted that fight badly. I'd LOVE to see them fight again.

What do you think of the weight difference between AJ and Wilder? Can Wilder realistically defeat AJ while giving up 35 pounds in there? Wilder was only 214 the other night. 214? I'm sure it will help with speed and perhaps conditioning being that light but at 249 or whatever AJ is, that's like Cruiserweight fighting a Welterweight relatively.

Keep forgetting Wilder is so light although it hasnt harmed him yet, in fact if he could add a bit more finesse to his game i would say his weight wouldnt matter,

yeah, it could work either way: 35lbs extra weight is a lot of AJ to carry around the ring if the fight goes into the later rounds

[Counter-puncher]

He improved massively actually, first he had it all, except for skills and now he has that too.

what did he have post-stverne 1 that he ddnt have in that fght?

someone said his jabs becomng a huge weapon but it hadnt been there much since stiverne 1 and even wash outjabbed him. do ppl actually watch the fights?

deontay is an athletically gifted beast but hes not really improvng much at on the fine ponts

I also don't get the "improving skills" line. If anything, out of things I didn't know he had, his ability to take a shot impressed me (I guessed he always had stamina, look at his title defences, most managed to take him late) & his recovery in a dogfight.

Also encouraging—for him, I mean—that he knew what to do when hurt, which was cling on for dear life, that sort of survival instinct will stand him well versus AJ should they ever get in a ring.

i don't think his skill has improved much, but I do think his confidence- in his power, his stamina, his chin- has improved, and that definitely makes him more dangerous.

[littlepug]

what did he have post-stverne 1 that he ddnt have in that fght?

someone said his jabs becomng a huge weapon but it hadnt been there much since stiverne 1 and even wash outjabbed him. do ppl actually watch the fights?

deontay is an athletically gifted beast but hes not really improvng much at on the fine ponts

I also don't get the "improving skills" line. If anything, out of things I didn't know he had, his ability to take a shot impressed me (I guessed he always had stamina, look at his title defences, most managed to take him late) & his recovery in a dogfight.

Also encouraging—for him, I mean—that he knew what to do when hurt, which was cling on for dear life, that sort of survival instinct will stand him well versus AJ should they ever get in a ring.

i don't think his skill has improved much, but I do think his confidence- in his power, his stamina, his chin- has improved, and that definitely makes him more dangerous.

Absolutely, nothing like experience for overcoming a lack of skills

[asdfjkl]

He improved massively actually, first he had it all, except for skills and now he has that too.

what did he have post-stverne 1 that he ddnt have in that fght?

someone said his jabs becomng a huge weapon but it hadnt been there much since stiverne 1 and even wash outjabbed him. do ppl actually watch the fights?

deontay is an athletically gifted beast but hes not really improvng much at on the fine ponts

Wilder got in trouble against even Molina at the time, Molina at the time wouldn't have made it to the 5th round against Ortiz back then.

[gilgamesh]

He improved massively actually, first he had it all, except for skills and now he has that too.

what did he have post-stverne 1 that he ddnt have in that fght?

someone said his jabs becomng a huge weapon but it hadnt been there much since stiverne 1 and even wash outjabbed him. do ppl actually watch the fights?

deontay is an athletically gifted beast but hes not really improvng much at on the fine ponts

Wilder got in trouble against even Molina at the time, Molina at the time wouldn't have made it to the 5th round against Ortiz back then.

I doubt he'd make it to the 5th round against Ortiz now

[jamesmcdonnell]

I'd say wilders weight is an asset. Instead of bulking up hes fighting at a natural weight. He's definitely fit, no chance he would have survived the scare against ortiz otherwise.

Joshua would do well to come in a bit lighter against wilder. He's likely to have to do a fair bit of moving snd if wilder gets into the second half of the fights then it becomes an issue.

[Syntax Error]

No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.

It's quite amazing.

For years, Ortiz was talked up as the heir apparent.

He was widely considered to be the best HW not holding a title; WBS belt or mythical Linear title included, yet after getting stopped by Wilder, who many thought would never fight someone like Ortiz, now he's ancient, chinny & unwell!

I see Povetkin is now being talked up as the new bogeyman apparent & when & if he gets sparked, what will they say then?

Of course, some will say that Wilder wouldn't fight Povetkin, even though he has already signed to fight the man once before.

I haven't be a traditional Wilder fan, but he's grown on me in recent times & I find it hard that folk are trying to belittle his achievement & not give him the credit that he is due.

[Syntax Error]

I'd say wilders weight is an asset. Instead of bulking up hes fighting at a natural weight. He's definitely fit, no chance he would have survived the scare against ortiz otherwise.

Joshua would do well to come in a bit lighter against wilder. He's likely to have to do a fair bit of moving snd if wilder gets into the second half of the fights then it becomes an issue.

Agreed.

You can see that Wilder is at the peak of fitness.

He is cut to the bone & doesn't have an ounce of fat on him & this is definitely a benefit to him.

Other HWs would do well to learn from him, especially Joshua who is getting far too heavy for my liking.

[jamamb]

No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.

It's quite amazing.

For years, Ortiz was talked up as the heir apparent.

He was widely considered to be the best HW not holding a title; WBS belt or mythical Linear title included, yet after getting stopped by Wilder, who many thought would never fight someone like Ortiz, now he's ancient, chinny & unwell!

I see Povetkin is now being talked up as the new bogeyman apparent & when & if he gets sparked, what will they say then?

Of course, some will say that Wilder wouldn't fight Povetkin, even though he has already signed to fight the man once before.

I haven't be a traditional Wilder fan, but he's grown on me in recent times & I find it hard that folk are trying to belittle his achievement & not give him the credit that he is due.

the talking down of ortiz started when the fight was signed, lol suddenly after years of ' ortiz destroys wilder!' wilder became a big fave. i think nearly everyone picked him here in the prediction game too

[jamamb]

as for the weight, ppl do realise that hes usually aroubd 225-230? he said he was only so low this time because he was ill

[jamamb]

what did he have post-stverne 1 that he ddnt have in that fght?

someone said his jabs becomng a huge weapon but it hadnt been there much since stiverne 1 and even wash outjabbed him. do ppl actually watch the fights?

deontay is an athletically gifted beast but hes not really improvng much at on the fine ponts

Wilder got in trouble against even Molina at the time, Molina at the time wouldn't have made it to the 5th round against Ortiz back then.

I doubt he'd make it to the 5th round against Ortiz now

dont agree, deontays just an unstable fighter, i mean he totally shut out stiverne and then hadmore problems with guys no better then stiverne

i think maybe he fights to the levrl of his comp bit, hence having issues but coming through vs a wide range of opponents

[caldo2025]

No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.

It's quite amazing.

For years, Ortiz was talked up as the heir apparent.

He was widely considered to be the best HW not holding a title; WBS belt or mythical Linear title included, yet after getting stopped by Wilder, who many thought would never fight someone like Ortiz, now he's ancient, chinny & unwell!

I see Povetkin is now being talked up as the new bogeyman apparent & when & if he gets sparked, what will they say then?

Of course, some will say that Wilder wouldn't fight Povetkin, even though he has already signed to fight the man once before.

I haven't be a traditional Wilder fan, but he's grown on me in recent times & I find it hard that folk are trying to belittle his achievement & not give him the credit that he is due.

F that man. I'm with you. Anyone diminishing Ortiz's ability after the performance he just put in, doesn't know boxing and loses all credibility with me. How many years have we suffered through a disastrous heavyweight division lacking of talent? Ortiz showed tremendous skill, heart, speed and conditioning in that fight. Anyone saying any less is a waste of time reading. In fact, that's the best i've seen Ortiz fight and it was a loss. I've seen about 5 of his fights too.

To me, the days of seeing a guy like Tyson Fury walking around with Heavyweight belts is over. Now we have some real talent in the division and that will spread like wildfire and inspire more talented boxers. It's the way it goes.

But you are right my friend.

[Mexi-Box]

No idea how these people can possibly work in a Povetkin mention after such a monumental victory by Wilder. Do you know what Wilder did last Saturday Night that was even more surprising than knocking out a top talent like Ortiz? Wilder put some doubt into many minds that Joshua or anyone else might not be able to stop him after all.

Wilder's power is real. His heart is real. He's going to be a full course meal for anyone who finally gets him out of there. The worst part is that he's doing it while learning on the job. I know what I saw Saturday. I saw a guy that has to learn when to put his foot on the gas and he could be unstoppable. I can't see Joshua finishing on his feet if Wilder learns how to exert his will a little more often in fights.

It's quite amazing.

For years, Ortiz was talked up as the heir apparent.

He was widely considered to be the best HW not holding a title; WBS belt or mythical Linear title included, yet after getting stopped by Wilder, who many thought would never fight someone like Ortiz, now he's ancient, chinny & unwell!

I see Povetkin is now being talked up as the new bogeyman apparent & when & if he gets sparked, what will they say then?

Of course, some will say that Wilder wouldn't fight Povetkin, even though he has already signed to fight the man once before.

I haven't be a traditional Wilder fan, but he's grown on me in recent times & I find it hard that folk are trying to belittle his achievement & not give him the credit that he is due.

F that man. I'm with you. Anyone diminishing Ortiz's ability after the performance he just put in, doesn't know boxing and loses all credibility with me. How many years have we suffered through a disastrous heavyweight division lacking of talent? Ortiz showed tremendous skill, heart, speed and conditioning in that fight. Anyone saying any less is a waste of time reading. In fact, that's the best i've seen Ortiz fight and it was a loss. I've seen about 5 of his fights too.

To me, the days of seeing a guy like Tyson Fury walking around with Heavyweight belts is over. Now we have some real talent in the division and that will spread like wildfire and inspire more talented boxers. It's the way it goes.

But you are right my friend.

You have no credibility. And secondly, Wilder was a heavy favorite for a reason. Ortiz was a fat old man that looked horrible going into the fight.

Second thing underlined made me understand that you didn't follow his career and lost all credibility with me.

[Ilya Muromets]

He improved massively actually, first he had it all, except for skills and now he has that too.

what did he have post-stverne 1 that he ddnt have in that fght?

someone said his jabs becomng a huge weapon but it hadnt been there much since stiverne 1 and even wash outjabbed him. do ppl actually watch the fights?

deontay is an athletically gifted beast but hes not really improvng much at on the fine ponts

Wilder got in trouble against even Molina at the time, Molina at the time wouldn't have made it to the 5th round against Ortiz back then.

Wilder looked like he was in big trouble against Molina - and then Molina seemed to deliberately back off.

[Andrew]

To my surprise I've finally been proven wrong by Deontay, I didn't expected this fight to actually happen and even if it would happen, it wouldn't be in a fair way. I'm really glad that I've finally been proven wrong. For me, it was an awesome fight to see, I had to stay awake all the way till 05:00 in the morning and despite I'm tired as hell right now, it was worth it for me.
I never stayed awake for any Wilder fight before and I hated the guy for never facing serious competition, somehow now he finally did and on top of that won the fight in a fair way.
I actually expected Wilder to lose this fight, but instead he took the beat, kept standing and eventually KOed Ortiz.

For me, Wilder is now finally a real top 3 guy, above Povetkin and with only Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury above him. I'd also have to say that I think Wilder earned a fight against either AJ or Tyson by this win. I expect AJ to fight Povetkin next, I think Tyson might become availeble soon.

I still don't have a clue why he refused to fight Dillian Whyte, especially since he could make about 5 mil (?) with it and on top of that, at least for the public, no serious excuses left for AJ to avoid the fight. In my opinion the Ortiz fight was a harder one, which generated less money, less credits afterwards and more risk. But whatever the case I'm happy the Ortiz fight happened.

Once again, congratz Deontay, you earned my respect!

FairPlay for posting this

I saw your prediction in the PTBF thread and had a laugh. It wasn't far from happening as well.

[manchester-mexican]

In a fight with Joshua it'll come down to who lands big first.