Wrap stacking

[boxing_rocks]

Sanchez said that in September he was almost kicked out from Canelo's dressing room for protesting against stacking of hand wraps which he thought was illegal.

NSAC people are saying that it is legal in Nevada. Where is it illegal? What is an advantage of stacking?

[boxing_rocks]

At 0:18 here Hunter is complaining about Kessler stacking:

[jamamb]

who wants to bet a flomo made that vid, they still hate pac more then anyone

[diddy]

Yes Clenelo stacks, juices and has judges paid off. A real triumvirate.

Stacking is similar to plaster of Paris in that when a fighter starts sweating the extra layer of gauze starts to harden. For this reason you’re only allowed one layer of gauze which purpose is to protect the knuckles. Having 2 layers of gauze with tape in between creates a layer of bulk to the fist. It’s going to provide extra impact even when wearing gloves.

[littlepug]

not really aware of this, I did notice a fighter recently that seemed to have an massive amount of bandages on his hands, might of been Eubank jnr in the dressing room before the Groves fight

[keirw]

not really aware of this, I did notice a fighter recently that seemed to have an massive amount of bandages on his hands, might of been Eubank jnr in the dressing room before the Groves fight

Eubank wraps his own hands, he is probably just sh1t at it.

[boxing_rocks]

[Enlightened-One]

NSAC people are saying that it is legal in Nevada. Where is it illegal? What is an advantage of stacking?

Here are the entirety of the official NSAC hand-wrapping rules that have existed since 2009, which appear to be relevant to the topic of discussion (unless I'm mistaken, which is entirely feasible, since I'm clearly no expert in this subject matter):
NAC 467.432  Bandages for hands of unarmed combatant. (NRS 467.030)

1.  Bandages on the hand of an unarmed combatant may not exceed one winding of surgeon’s adhesive tape, not over 2 inches wide, placed directly on the hand to protect the part of the hand near the wrist. The tape may cross the back of the hand twice, but may not extend within three-fourths of an inch of the knuckles when the hand is clenched to make a fist.

2.  Each unarmed combatant shall use soft surgical bandage not over 2 inches wide, held in place by not more than 10 feet of surgeon’s adhesive tape for each hand. Up to one 20-yard roll of bandage may be used to complete the wrappings for each hand. Strips of tape may be used between the fingers to hold down the bandages.

3.  Bandages must be adjusted in the dressing room in the presence of a representative of the Commission and both unarmed combatants. Either unarmed combatant may waive his or her privilege of witnessing the bandaging of his or her opponent’s hands.

[Athletic Comm’n, § 11, eff. 4-25-78] — (NAC A 12-13-82; 11-2-88; 12-2-97; R003-09, 10-27-2009)

[jamesmcdonnell]

not really aware of this, I did notice a fighter recently that seemed to have an massive amount of bandages on his hands, might of been Eubank jnr in the dressing room before the Groves fight

Eubank jr. It was ludicrous

[Enlightened-One]

not really aware of this, I did notice a fighter recently that seemed to have an massive amount of bandages on his hands, might of been Eubank jnr in the dressing room before the Groves fight

Eubank jr. It was ludicrous

In the context of Abel Sanchez's comments about Canelo's “hand wrap stacking” and the NSAC's rules though, how exactly did the Mexican contravene them?

Is there a technical definition that can be used to determine whether a fighter’s hands have been “wrap stacked” or not?

Is it possible for someone accused of “hand wrap stacking” actually adhering to the NSAC’s own hand wrapping rules (that I stipulated in my previous post in this thread)?

People often use the term “illegal” to describe something that is supposedly common-knowledge, but where exactly does this so-called rule exist?

I’ve read multiple definitions of the term “hand wrap stacking”, but I don’t see how the NSAC’s own rules specifically prohibit this practice.

Based on what Yahoo! Sports stated, the "NSAC chairman Anthony Marnell said Alvarez’s preferred method of wrapping his hands is legal and has been allowed in Nevada “for decades.” Sanchez met with NSAC executive director Bob Bennett regarding his concerns about Alvarez’s hand wraps."

Also, why is Abel Sanchez only bothering to bring up the subject matter just now, perhaps his agenda is to create controversy to help promote the Canelo-GGG super-fight, since he could have mentioned this much earlier?

By the way, I'm not being argumentative, merely curious, because if the NSAC's rules don't adequately cover what people claim as being "hand wrap stacking", then Canelo couldn't have broken their rules.

[Enlightened-One]

The NSAC explicitly allowed “gauze-tape-gauze-tape” for the Canelo-Lara bout (see for yourself):


Apparently, Oscar De La Hoya’s hands were “wrap stacked”, when he fought Pacquiao in Las Vegas and so Freddie Roach implemented the very same practice for Manny also.

In my opinion Abel Sanchez is wrong. He either doesn't understand the rules himself or is simply creating controversy, where none exists, in order to grab media headlines and help promote GGG's bout against Canelo.

[caldo2025]

I may be horrible person but I actually LOVE the fact that Manny's hands may have been as hard as plaster and illegal for the beating that he gave Margarito. Sure, Margarito's face is disfigured and sight affected permanently but in my book, that's what you get for being dick. I'm not a Cotto fan but the unnecessary beating he illegally got handed to by Margarito is something I still can't get over. The Lord only knows how much that beating took out of Cotto's prime in the end but he never was the same boxer afterwards to these eyes. Very sad. SO GOOD, nice work Manny.

[Boxerbeetle]

I may be horrible person but I actually LOVE the fact that Manny's hands may have been as hard as plaster and illegal for the beating that he gave Margarito. Sure, Margarito's face is disfigured and sight affected permanently but in my book, that's what you get for being dick. I'm not a Cotto fan but the unnecessary beating he illegally got handed to by Margarito is something I still can't get over. The Lord only knows how much that beating took out of Cotto's prime in the end but he never was the same boxer afterwards to these eyes. Very sad. SO GOOD, nice work Manny.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I'd say this practice is entirely legal. However the commission's are probably a little remiss in not changing the regulations to outlaw it. Using tape and gauze like that is not in the spirit of things at all.

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I may be horrible person but I actually LOVE the fact that Manny's hands may have been as hard as plaster and illegal for the beating that he gave Margarito. Sure, Margarito's face is disfigured and sight affected permanently but in my book, that's what you get for being dick. I'm not a Cotto fan but the unnecessary beating he illegally got handed to by Margarito is something I still can't get over. The Lord only knows how much that beating took out of Cotto's prime in the end but he never was the same boxer afterwards to these eyes. Very sad. SO GOOD, nice work Manny.

Does anyone know if stacking is allowed in California? If their rules are the same as Nevada, it makes you wonder why Margarito didn't just stack his wraps vs Mosley, instead of using a hardened piece of gauze...

[Enlightened-One]

The more I think about this situation, the more I’m inclined to believe that Abel Sanchez is simply creating controversy, where none exists, in order to grab media headlines, since it was far too easy to read the NSAC’s own rules and verify that they’ve always behaved consistently in regards to how they previously dealt with similar “hand wrap stacking” situations for other fights.

If GGG’s trainer is being 100% sincere about his criticism of the NSAC, then perhaps we should be critical of his lack of knowledge about their rules, since it’s his role to look after his own fighters’ best interests by wrapping Golovkin's hands in the same fashion that Canelo did.

[Thomastearns]

Good topic! I used to wonder why the Klitschko's were particularly adamant about personally observing their opponents hands being wrapped.

I blame Mugsy Long for all this. Still can't understand why he needed to load his gloves in his epic battle with Stan Laurel.

[boxing_rocks]

I may be horrible person but I actually LOVE the fact that Manny's hands may have been as hard as plaster and illegal for the beating that he gave Margarito. Sure, Margarito's face is disfigured and sight affected permanently but in my book, that's what you get for being dick. I'm not a Cotto fan but the unnecessary beating he illegally got handed to by Margarito is something I still can't get over. The Lord only knows how much that beating took out of Cotto's prime in the end but he never was the same boxer afterwards to these eyes. Very sad. SO GOOD, nice work Manny.

Does anyone know if stacking is allowed in California? If their rules are the same as Nevada, it makes you wonder why Margarito didn't just stack his wraps vs Mosley, instead of using a hardened piece of gauze...

As you could see from the video, Hunter protested against Kessler's attempt to do stacking and an official supported him. It is probably disallowed almost everywhere and is allowed by NSAC to give advantage to cash cows who always fight there.

[Enlightened-One]

I may be horrible person but I actually LOVE the fact that Manny's hands may have been as hard as plaster and illegal for the beating that he gave Margarito. Sure, Margarito's face is disfigured and sight affected permanently but in my book, that's what you get for being dick. I'm not a Cotto fan but the unnecessary beating he illegally got handed to by Margarito is something I still can't get over. The Lord only knows how much that beating took out of Cotto's prime in the end but he never was the same boxer afterwards to these eyes. Very sad. SO GOOD, nice work Manny.

Does anyone know if stacking is allowed in California? If their rules are the same as Nevada, it makes you wonder why Margarito didn't just stack his wraps vs Mosley, instead of using a hardened piece of gauze...

As you could see from the video, Hunter protested against Kessler's attempt to do stacking and an official supported him. It is probably disallowed almost everywhere and is allowed by NSAC to give advantage to cash cows who always fight there.

There’s no advantage to anyone if everyone is allowed to wrap their hands in this manner, with it being considered perfectly legal by the NSAC for decades! There is no conspiracy!

Do you think that Abel Sanchez should have established the NSAC’s rules before the Canelo bout? It only took me about ten minutes to establish the facts surrounding the situation.

[boxing_rocks]

Fighters wrap their hands a way they are used to. If they fight outside of Vegas, that way doesn't include stacking, so when they fight against Vegas based opponents who are used to stacking, they are in disadvantage.

I would like Sanchez to adopt stacking and beat Clenbnelo with his own weapon.

[oogiebe]

I may be horrible person but I actually LOVE the fact that Manny's hands may have been as hard as plaster and illegal for the beating that he gave Margarito. Sure, Margarito's face is disfigured and sight affected permanently but in my book, that's what you get for being dick. I'm not a Cotto fan but the unnecessary beating he illegally got handed to by Margarito is something I still can't get over. The Lord only knows how much that beating took out of Cotto's prime in the end but he never was the same boxer afterwards to these eyes. Very sad. SO GOOD, nice work Manny.

Karma rocks!

[boxing_rocks]

Here are some details:

http://ucnlive.com/stacking-deck-las-vegas/

[Enlightened-One]

Here are some details:

http://ucnlive.com/stacking-deck-las-vegas/

Hand wrap stacking is legal under NSAC jurisdiction and has been for decades.

I detailed the rules of the NSAC, the opinions of senior people in charge of the NSAC, as well as supplied examples of other fights where this practice had taken place in a transparent manner.

There's no controversy here and GGG is not being disadvantaged in any way, because it's his prerogative to wrap his own hands in this manner if he so wishes.

If you don't like Canelo, then fair enough, but come on... don't pretend that some sort of "scandal" or conspiracy has taken place when it clearly hasn't.

It's been going on for years and it's only now that you're moaning about it!

Are you only being this passionate about this matter because you're a GGG fan that has wholeheartedly bought into Abel Sanchez's attempts to promote the fight under the pretence of "controversy", where none clearly exists?

[boxing_rocks]

The rules can be interpreted differently. Why was Ronnie Shields told that it was illegal if it was "legal for decades"?

[caldo2025]

The more I think about this situation, the more I’m inclined to believe that Abel Sanchez is simply creating controversy, where none exists, in order to grab media headlines, since it was far too easy to read the NSAC’s own rules and verify that they’ve always behaved consistently in regards to how they previously dealt with similar “hand wrap stacking” situations for other fights.

If GGG’s trainer is being 100% sincere about his criticism of the NSAC, then perhaps we should be critical of his lack of knowledge about their rules, since it’s his role to look after his own fighters’ best interests by wrapping Golovkin's hands in the same fashion that Canelo did.

You continue to get on Abel Sanches for "creating controversy" but don't you see how badly he needs to? Do you realize how tipped the scales are in Canelo's direction already? Good for Abel. He should be squeaking about every single thing from now until the bell. Abel needs to draw attention to the inequities of this matchup in hopes that by creating acknowledgement preemptively, maybe GGG will actually end up not having the odds stacked so heavily against him.

Give GGG and Sanches a break. If you want to get on anyone then get on Oscar and his little red headed cow eating, Dave Moretti paying, steroid taking, boxer who can only lose with a knockout. Abel and GGG have no way to win this fight otherwise. Why they agreed to rematch and losing their historical position in Boxing is beyond me. I guess they chose money. But enough with your repeated criticism of Sanchez. I would love my trainer to be doing what Abel has been doing especially since he's not that kind of loudmouth trainer. He's got class but even he knows that this and the last fight smell of contempt.