Luis Ortiz’s team claim ‘robbery’ in Deontay Wilder fight

[Ilya Muromets]

Luis Ortiz’s team claim ‘robbery’ in Deontay Wilder fight

https://www.badlefthook.com/2018/3/7/17 ... lder-fight

[oogiebe]

All hype to get a good fight. FYI - I was watching last evenings card on Showtime and interestingly enough, in a prelim, the ref after the 60 seconds were up, called time and had the doctor check out one of the fighters...extra time or rule!?

[Ilya Muromets]

All hype to get a good fight. FYI - I was watching last evenings card on Showtime and interestingly enough, in a prelim, the ref after the 60 seconds were up, called time and had the doctor check out one of the fighters...extra time or rule!?

Immediately after the 60 seconds were up before anything at all happened? If there is any doctor checking to be done it should be done between rounds.

[oogiebe]

All hype to get a good fight. FYI - I was watching last evenings card on Showtime and interestingly enough, in a prelim, the ref after the 60 seconds were up, called time and had the doctor check out one of the fighters...extra time or rule!?

Immediately after the 60 seconds were up before anything at all happened? If there is any doctor checking to be done it should be done between rounds.

Apparently, this is the new rule and it cannot interfere with corner action, so...love it or hate it, it is what it is. I don't like it.

[Ilya Muromets]

All hype to get a good fight. FYI - I was watching last evenings card on Showtime and interestingly enough, in a prelim, the ref after the 60 seconds were up, called time and had the doctor check out one of the fighters...extra time or rule!?

Immediately after the 60 seconds were up before anything at all happened? If there is any doctor checking to be done it should be done between rounds.

Apparently, this is the new rule and it cannot interfere with corner action, so...love it or hate it, it is what it is. I don't like it.

Maybe the "new rule" started with the Wilder-Ortiz fight and they told this ref to do it too so they can say, hey look refs always do that! I've never seen anything like it. *

Those additional seconds Wilder got at the beginning of rd. 8 were critical because he was rubber legged on queer street...and we know that the powers that be in boxing didn't want their Wilder cash cow to lose because they were counting on making big money with a Joshua-Wilder fight.

Boxing is so corrupt, and in the USA nowadays they are right in your face about it. They don't even care. Boxing has always been the domain of shady characters, but at least in the past the shady characters had the discretion to stay in the shadows and lend boxing at least the outward appearance of being a legitimate sport

* No, on second thought I probably have. I've seen so much crap in the crooked "sport" of boxing

[Ilya Muromets]

The most blatant one of all along these lines was Henry Cooper vs. Cassius Clay, the first fight in 1963. Clay was also rubber legged and on queer street, and then between rounds his cornerman, Dundee, deliberately sliced open his glove and then said he needed a new glove (he later confessed to this). By the time they went and found a new glove and brought it to the ring and put it on and laced it up Clay had gained about four and a half minutes time to recover!

When I watched a replay of that fight on ESPN what they did was splice the rounds together so that it appeared that there was no delay at all between the rounds, and the narrator of the replay did not say one single word about anything unusual happening between the rounds!

[gilgamesh]

Nothing's gonna come of it, but I'm kinda surprised they weren't raising hell about this the night it happened.

[tiny_acres]

Nothing's gonna come of it, but I'm kinda surprised they weren't raising hell about this the night it happened.

Yes. They didn't seem to have any problem until now a week later.
They're praying for a rematch

[oogiebe]

Nothing's gonna come of it, but I'm kinda surprised they weren't raising hell about this the night it happened.

Yes. They didn't seem to have any problem until now a week later.
They're praying for a rematch

absolutely

[The Great John L]

People act like they've never watched boxing matches before. Having the doctor look at a fighter after the 60 seconds is hardly a new thing. I've been a fight fan for about 50 years now and while it certainly wasn't common until recent years, it's hardly new and should be familiar to anyone that watches boxing on more than a casual basis. As someone else noted, it's done so that the corner still has time to work with the fighter, and actually makes some sense given the concerns we should all have for the well being of the fighters.

Irregardless, Wilder didn't seem that hurt at the end of the round. He was hurt, and stumbled a little, but compared to many other fighters I've seen he didn't have any trouble finding his corner so the added 15-20 seconds the doctor needed probably made little, if any, difference.

What everyone should be discussing is how well Wilder survived when he was hurt by a dangerous opponent. He's clumsy, and amateurish at times, but he showed great heart and a solid chin.

[armageto]

I thought this would have been settled with my posts in the other thread. You know, with the actual rules of that commission posted, past history, etc. I guess people just like to discredit Wilder and a week later Ortiz's camp has an issue now, hoping for a rematch.

Absolutely zero rules were broken here. N.Y. has done this in the past, especially after the Perez/Magomed fight. Wilder wasn't given any special treatment. Ortiz only has himself to blame because he gave EVERYTHING he had in the 7th, and couldn't even drop Wilder. A man that some people here thought had a suspect chin. Then with Wilder still not out of the woods to start the 8th, Ortiz STILL couldn't finish the job. Ortiz has nobody else to blame expect himself.

First it was Wilder would never face Ortiz. Then it was his fault Ortiz failed the drug test. A cover up, as if Wilder controls boxing and has millions of dollars behind him. As if America is a huge boxing country and it lives thru Wilder. Then Wilder would lose or back out of the second fight. Now it's too much time was given, to discredit his win.

Next week it will be Wilder funds Isis, killed Christ, etc. I don't like or dislike the man, but at least I can give him credit when it is due.....

[Impractical Poster]

Just something for the haters to bitch about. Next thing you know, they will be bitching about standing 8 counts, and how this fighter was robbed of a ko win due to the extra 10-15 seconds the fighter got to recover for the ref to stop time, give the count, and resume the fight.

People making too much out of nothing.

Wilder wasn't THAT hurt.

[oogiebe]

Just something for the haters to bitch about. Next thing you know, they will be bitching about standing 8 counts, and how this fighter was robbed of a ko win due to the extra 10-15 seconds the fighter got to recover for the ref to stop time, give the count, and resume the fight.

People making too much out of nothing.

Wilder wasn't THAT hurt.

YES!

[Best Coast]

All hype to get a good fight. FYI - I was watching last evenings card on Showtime and interestingly enough, in a prelim, the ref after the 60 seconds were up, called time and had the doctor check out one of the fighters...extra time or rule!?

Immediately after the 60 seconds were up before anything at all happened? If there is any doctor checking to be done it should be done between rounds.

Apparently, this is the new rule and it cannot interfere with corner action, so...love it or hate it, it is what it is. I don't like it.

Some call it "corruption"...I call it NYSAC covering their butts financially. They already got sued once for $22 MILLION after Magomed Abdusalamov got seriously brain damaged due to NYSAC incompetence and are determined to prevent that from happening again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magomed_A ... ov#Lawsuit

In February 2014 it was reported that the family would sue the New York State Athletic Commission seeking $100 million in damages.

On September 8. 2017, New York State agreed to pay $22 million to Abdusalamov and his family following a lawsuit where the issue of assumed risk came to play. This was the largest personal injury award issued by New York State.

Through is wife as his interpreter, Abdusalamov and his attorney, Paul Edelstein, are pushing for federal legislation to improve boxing safety. Currently, boxing regulations are mandated by the particular state in which a fight takes place. Edelstein has called for one set of rules to protect sport fighters across the United States.

[Badhusker]

Mods: Ban the idiot trolls.....please.

[oogiebe]

Immediately after the 60 seconds were up before anything at all happened? If there is any doctor checking to be done it should be done between rounds.

Apparently, this is the new rule and it cannot interfere with corner action, so...love it or hate it, it is what it is. I don't like it.

Some call it "corruption"...I call it NYSAC covering their butts financially. They already got sued once for $22 MILLION after Magomed Abdusalamov got seriously brain damaged due to NYSAC incompetence and are determined to prevent that from happening again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magomed_A ... ov#Lawsuit

In February 2014 it was reported that the family would sue the New York State Athletic Commission seeking $100 million in damages.

On September 8. 2017, New York State agreed to pay $22 million to Abdusalamov and his family following a lawsuit where the issue of assumed risk came to play. This was the largest personal injury award issued by New York State.

Through is wife as his interpreter, Abdusalamov and his attorney, Paul Edelstein, are pushing for federal legislation to improve boxing safety. Currently, boxing regulations are mandated by the particular state in which a fight takes place. Edelstein has called for one set of rules to protect sport fighters across the United States.

For the record, the fight I referenced was in California, not NYC

[punchoutsb]

Maybe if Ortiz was in better shape and actually hit harder he wouldn't have to claim robbery.

[Kalan]

The most blatant one of all along these lines was Henry Cooper vs. Cassius Clay, the first fight in 1963. Clay was also rubber legged and on queer street, and then between rounds his cornerman, Dundee, deliberately sliced open his glove and then said he needed a new glove (he later confessed to this). By the time they went and found a new glove and brought it to the ring and put it on and laced it up Clay had gained about four and a half minutes time to recover!

When I watched a replay of that fight on ESPN what they did was splice the rounds together so that it appeared that there was no delay at all between the rounds, and the narrator of the replay did not say one single word about anything unusual happening between the rounds!

Clay wasn't given extra time.... No new glove was brought to the ring.... No glove was exchanged.... Clay used the torn glove in the 5th... Clay was fully recovered by the end of the 60 second rest period.... I think the 5th started 3 or 4 seconds late... The timekeeper was a little confused and possibly not paying attention... It didn't matter because Clay was fine by then.

[oogiebe]

The most blatant one of all along these lines was Henry Cooper vs. Cassius Clay, the first fight in 1963. Clay was also rubber legged and on queer street, and then between rounds his cornerman, Dundee, deliberately sliced open his glove and then said he needed a new glove (he later confessed to this). By the time they went and found a new glove and brought it to the ring and put it on and laced it up Clay had gained about four and a half minutes time to recover!

When I watched a replay of that fight on ESPN what they did was splice the rounds together so that it appeared that there was no delay at all between the rounds, and the narrator of the replay did not say one single word about anything unusual happening between the rounds!

Clay wasn't given extra time.... No new glove was brought to the ring.... No glove was exchanged.... Clay used the torn glove in the 5th... Clay was fully recovered by the end of the 60 second rest period.... I think the 5th started 3 or 4 seconds late... The timekeeper was a little confused and possibly not paying attention... It didn't matter because Clay was fine by then.

That was the fight where one could see Ali in the corner asking, "is it over?...is it over?" is that right?

[Badhusker]

Maybe if Ortiz was in better shape and actually hit harder he wouldn't have to claim robbery.

Thinking back I really was impressed by how Ortiz performed. I think he was in the best shape he could be at his age, and probably would have stopped most guys that night, It is sad though that his team, and now him too are crying about it. He lost. I wish he would take the loss like a champ and not be a sore loser. I think Ortiz is the best heavy outside of Joshua and Wilder. We will know more about Parker soon.

[oogiebe]

Maybe if Ortiz was in better shape and actually hit harder he wouldn't have to claim robbery.

Thinking back I really was impressed by how Ortiz performed. I think he was in the best shape he could be at his age, and probably would have stopped most guys that night, It is sad though that his team, and now him too are crying about it. He lost. I wish he would take the loss like a champ and not be a sore loser. I think Ortiz is the best heavy outside of Joshua and Wilder. We will know more about Parker soon.

100%

[Kalan]

No only did Wilder get extra time to recover after the 7th.... The referee sent the boxers to neutral corners before he started the 8th... That was funny as Hell. That was BS... Only God knows if it changed the outcome... But it might have.

[Best Coast]

Apparently, this is the new rule and it cannot interfere with corner action, so...love it or hate it, it is what it is. I don't like it.

Some call it "corruption"...I call it NYSAC covering their butts financially. They already got sued once for $22 MILLION after Magomed Abdusalamov got seriously brain damaged due to NYSAC incompetence and are determined to prevent that from happening again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magomed_A ... ov#Lawsuit

In February 2014 it was reported that the family would sue the New York State Athletic Commission seeking $100 million in damages.

On September 8. 2017, New York State agreed to pay $22 million to Abdusalamov and his family following a lawsuit where the issue of assumed risk came to play. This was the largest personal injury award issued by New York State.

Through is wife as his interpreter, Abdusalamov and his attorney, Paul Edelstein, are pushing for federal legislation to improve boxing safety. Currently, boxing regulations are mandated by the particular state in which a fight takes place. Edelstein has called for one set of rules to protect sport fighters across the United States.

For the record, the fight I referenced was in California, not NYC

Makes no difference. Wilder-Ortiz was in NY which is why it has a bearing on NYSAC being extra-cautious these days!!

I'm not saying it is a RULE in NYC...more likely an unwritten POLICY to avoid future lawsuits.

[oogiebe]

Some call it "corruption"...I call it NYSAC covering their butts financially. They already got sued once for $22 MILLION after Magomed Abdusalamov got seriously brain damaged due to NYSAC incompetence and are determined to prevent that from happening again:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magomed_A ... ov#Lawsuit

For the record, the fight I referenced was in California, not NYC

Makes no difference. Wilder-Ortiz was in NY which is why it has a bearing on NYSAC being extra-cautious these days!!

I'm not saying it is a RULE in NYC...more likely an unwritten POLICY to avoid future lawsuits.

It is a rule (albeit correctly explained above as a CYA). Left up to the referee.

[Ilya Muromets]

The most blatant one of all along these lines was Henry Cooper vs. Cassius Clay, the first fight in 1963. Clay was also rubber legged and on queer street, and then between rounds his cornerman, Dundee, deliberately sliced open his glove and then said he needed a new glove (he later confessed to this). By the time they went and found a new glove and brought it to the ring and put it on and laced it up Clay had gained about four and a half minutes time to recover!

When I watched a replay of that fight on ESPN what they did was splice the rounds together so that it appeared that there was no delay at all between the rounds, and the narrator of the replay did not say one single word about anything unusual happening between the rounds!

Clay wasn't given extra time.... No new glove was brought to the ring.... No glove was exchanged.... Clay used the torn glove in the 5th... Clay was fully recovered by the end of the 60 second rest period.... I think the 5th started 3 or 4 seconds late... The timekeeper was a little confused and possibly not paying attention... It didn't matter because Clay was fine by then.

Absolutely untrue. I happen to remember what actually happened, the original. Angelo Dundee even wrote about it in his book.