Wrap stacking

[caldo2025]

You're using "red herrings" to divert attention away from the fact that Abel Sanchez didn't understand the rules when he has received millions of dollars from GGG himself to actually learn them.

I agree about Golovkin being the so-called "victim" in relation to this situation, but the real culprit isn't the NSAC, in fact it's actually Abel Sanchez.

I have to assume you agree with me, because you cannot possibly pretend that the NSAC's rules are unclear and nor can you possibly convince anyone that they haven't persistently allowed hand wrap stacking in the past.

It’s a head game, don’t you get that? It gives the other guy one more thing to worry about or alter come fight night. Do you think that Abel is looking for anything more? His job is to get in their heads and it’s these little jabs that add up and affect preparations in some camps.

GGG NEEDS ALL THE HELP HE CAN GET. This is not rocket science man. On fight night, they will now have extra focus on wrapping Canelo, the last “gentlemen, start your engines” moment. That is great work by GGG’’s camp. How you can’t see that shows how little you’ve been involved in sports.

There won't be any extra focus on hand wrapping.

Sanchez either doesn't understand the rules or he's simply using WWE style trash talk bûllshît nonsense to promote the fight, by fabricating "controversy" where none exists.

The NSAC and Team Canelo won't be fûckîng ârsêd about hand wrap stacking come fight night, since it's a none issue.

Those that initially defended Abel Sanchez are now choosing to remain silent on this matter since both the rules and also their application have been consistently applied by the NSAC for decades.

To pretend otherwise is insane.

You will see. Abel will be present in Canelo’s locker room and Canelo’s team will have prepared and SPENT TIME on making sure their wraps are legit. No matter if they were or weren’t his whole career.

It’s all about filling the other guys heads with as many thoughts that aren’t about game plans as possible. We’re talking about it so they have addressed it in camp as well. You better believe it

[Enlightened-One]

It’s a head game, don’t you get that? It gives the other guy one more thing to worry about or alter come fight night. Do you think that Abel is looking for anything more? His job is to get in their heads and it’s these little jabs that add up and affect preparations in some camps.

GGG NEEDS ALL THE HELP HE CAN GET. This is not rocket science man. On fight night, they will now have extra focus on wrapping Canelo, the last “gentlemen, start your engines” moment. That is great work by GGG’’s camp. How you can’t see that shows how little you’ve been involved in sports.

There won't be any extra focus on hand wrapping.

Sanchez either doesn't understand the rules or he's simply using WWE style trash talk bûllshît nonsense to promote the fight, by fabricating "controversy" where none exists.

The NSAC and Team Canelo won't be fûckîng ârsêd about hand wrap stacking come fight night, since it's a none issue.

Those that initially defended Abel Sanchez are now choosing to remain silent on this matter since both the rules and also their application have been consistently applied by the NSAC for decades.

To pretend otherwise is insane.

You will see. Abel will be present in Canelo’s locker room and Canelo’s team will have prepared and SPENT TIME on making sure their wraps are legit. No matter if they were or weren’t his whole career.

It’s all about filling the other guys heads with as many thoughts that aren’t about game plans as possible. We’re talking about it so they have addressed it in camp as well. You better believe it

I doubt that Abel Sanchez's false claims, driven either by incompetence or lies, wll affect Team Canelo or the NSAC's officials, since there is no truth to his words.

I strongly suspect that boxing insiders, as well as the majority of the sports' scribes, will also question Sanchez's real motives for spouting utter nonsense.

Merely casual boxing observers though will inevitably buy into Abel's trash talking bûllshît, because most of them enjoy so-called "controversy" and are also far too lazy to check whether he's uttering nonsense.

Nothing that Abel Sanchez has claimed will affect the activities of fight night. It'll be business as usual for those involved in the staging of the event.

[caldo2025]

There won't be any extra focus on hand wrapping.

Sanchez either doesn't understand the rules or he's simply using WWE style trash talk bûllshît nonsense to promote the fight, by fabricating "controversy" where none exists.

The NSAC and Team Canelo won't be fûckîng ârsêd about hand wrap stacking come fight night, since it's a none issue.

Those that initially defended Abel Sanchez are now choosing to remain silent on this matter since both the rules and also their application have been consistently applied by the NSAC for decades.

To pretend otherwise is insane.

You will see. Abel will be present in Canelo’s locker room and Canelo’s team will have prepared and SPENT TIME on making sure their wraps are legit. No matter if they were or weren’t his whole career.

It’s all about filling the other guys heads with as many thoughts that aren’t about game plans as possible. We’re talking about it so they have addressed it in camp as well. You better believe it

I doubt that Abel Sanchez's false claims, driven either by incompetence or lies, wll affect Team Canelo or the NSAC's officials, since there is no truth to his words.

I strongly suspect that boxing insiders, as well as the majority of the sports' scribes, will also question Sanchez's real motives for spouting utter nonsense.

Merely casual boxing observers though will inevitably buy into Abel's trash talking bûllshît, because most of them enjoy so-called "controversy" and are also far too lazy to check whether he's uttering nonsense.

Nothing that Abel Sanchez has claimed will affect the activities of fight night. It'll be business as usual for those involved in the staging of the event.

Oh yeah, i'm sure you can say that with certainty. Tainted meat. Tainted wraps. Two months left for more stuff to be dug up for who knows what else. Yeah, i'm sure Canelo loves dealing with this stuff in camp for his biggest fight.

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Would it not make a lot of sense if rules were made consistent across all commissions?

Or do NSAC have some kind of superiority complex, and feel they need to be different?

What stacking effectively achieves, is certainly against the spirit of the sport, even if it's not illegal in this one state. Maybe they should make it illegal, rather than basically allowing loaded gloves (even if it is the same for both fighters).

Why are you only now choosing to complain about the NSAC's rule that have existed for decades?

There's no scandal here.

Abel Sanchez didn't make an effort to learn the rules and if I was GGG, I would consider firing him for his lack of due diligence, because any trainer of a fighter engaging in a multi-million dollar fight should understand the rules of the sports governing bodies.

Honestly, because I wasn't aware the rule for hand wrapping in Vegas was different to everywhere else. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a particular sport to have the same set of rules, regardless of where an event is taking place, especially where safety is concerned. Margarito was (rightly) vilified for using hardened gauze pads across his knuckles, thereby putting his opponents at increased health risk. Stacking wraps achieves exactly the same effect as this, but apparently if you do it in Nevada that's perfectly ok.

Fine, it has been within Nevada's rules for decades. I'm not questioning that. But, why not change that, going forward? Why not adapt the rule to be in line with every other commission overseeing what should be the exact same sport? More importantly, why not do that little bit more, in the interests of fighter safety?

Boxing has thousands of rules, in you go into proper detail. I'm not suggesting there's any scandal. I'm merely asking why Vegas has to be special? Why does NSAC have to allow wrap stacking, when it's illegal everywhere else? Why does NSAC allow lidocaine injections in the hands, when that's illegal everywhere else? Why is it only the IBF that requires a second day weigh in? Why is drug testing not universal? I could go on... Of course it's still a level playing field - both fighters are free to do the same. That's not the point. Just because it's the same on both sides, doesn't mean it's right for the sport.

On your final point, maybe the commissions should come together and draw up a universal set of rules, so that fighters and trainers have a chance to understand every rule? Too much to ask? If a basketball team travels to another state, the coach doesn't have to get out the rule book in case anything is different over there. Same sport, same rules.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why boxing should be different. You'll probably tell me WHY it's different (no universal governing body), but you can't tell me why it SHOULD be different.

Sanchez should shut up. I'll agree on that. He was wrong.

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The rules can be interpreted differently. Why was Ronnie Shields told that it was illegal if it was "legal for decades"?

What exactly was Shields objecting to, and how was it different/similar to what Sanchez was objecting to in Canelo vs Golovkin.

If the rulings are inconsistent, that's a genuine concern.

The NSAC rules cannot possibly be misinterpreted. They allow hand wrap stacking.

To claim otherwise is moronic.

People are believing that something controversial has occurred, when it clearly hasn't.

Hand wrap stacking has been perfectly legal in Nevada for decades.

You haven't actually answered my question there...

I was asking what precisely was the situation with Shields and Lara, was that the same or different to the Canelo situation, and was the ruling by the officials the same or different.

From other responses, I can see that the situations were different. All you said was that stacking is allowed. That was irrelevant to the question.

[Enlightened-One]

Would it not make a lot of sense if rules were made consistent across all commissions?

Or do NSAC have some kind of superiority complex, and feel they need to be different?

What stacking effectively achieves, is certainly against the spirit of the sport, even if it's not illegal in this one state. Maybe they should make it illegal, rather than basically allowing loaded gloves (even if it is the same for both fighters).

Why are you only now choosing to complain about the NSAC's rule that have existed for decades?

There's no scandal here.

Abel Sanchez didn't make an effort to learn the rules and if I was GGG, I would consider firing him for his lack of due diligence, because any trainer of a fighter engaging in a multi-million dollar fight should understand the rules of the sports governing bodies.

Honestly, because I wasn't aware the rule for hand wrapping in Vegas was different to everywhere else. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a particular sport to have the same set of rules, regardless of where an event is taking place, especially where safety is concerned. Margarito was (rightly) vilified for using hardened gauze pads across his knuckles, thereby putting his opponents at increased health risk. Stacking wraps achieves exactly the same effect as this, but apparently if you do it in Nevada that's perfectly ok.

Fine, it has been within Nevada's rules for decades. I'm not questioning that. But, why not change that, going forward? Why not adapt the rule to be in line with every other commission overseeing what should be the exact same sport? More importantly, why not do that little bit more, in the interests of fighter safety?

Boxing has thousands of rules, in you go into proper detail. I'm not suggesting there's any scandal. I'm merely asking why Vegas has to be special? Why does NSAC have to allow wrap stacking, when it's illegal everywhere else? Why does NSAC allow lidocaine injections in the hands, when that's illegal everywhere else? Why is it only the IBF that requires a second day weigh in? Why is drug testing not universal? I could go on... Of course it's still a level playing field - both fighters are free to do the same. That's not the point. Just because it's the same on both sides, doesn't mean it's right for the sport.

On your final point, maybe the commissions should come together and draw up a universal set of rules, so that fighters and trainers have a chance to understand every rule? Too much to ask? If a basketball team travels to another state, the coach doesn't have to get out the rule book in case anything is different over there. Same sport, same rules.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever why boxing should be different. You'll probably tell me WHY it's different (no universal governing body), but you can't tell me why it SHOULD be different.

Sanchez should shut up. I'll agree on that. He was wrong.

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with most of your response. What you’ve said is perfectly reasonable to me.

I just think that Abel Sanchez should have left no stone unturned for his preparation for a high-profile multi-million dollar bout between two of the sports’ pound-for-pound leading stars… and that he should have possessed a clear understanding of the NSAC rules applicable to bouts staged in Las Vegas.

In my mind, Abel Sanchez made a huge mistake, but people are instead focussing on the NSAC’s rules that have existed for decades, instead of challenging GGG’s trainer for his lack of due diligence.

I appreciate that Golovkin’s fans will passionately defend anyone on GGG’s “side”, no matter what they do wrong, but if the very same set of fans were genuinely concerned about the Kazakh’s “best interests”, shouldn’t they be critical of Abel Sanchez’s behaviour in regards to this matter? Gennady’s hands should have been “stacked” also.

[Enlightened-One]

What exactly was Shields objecting to, and how was it different/similar to what Sanchez was objecting to in Canelo vs Golovkin.

If the rulings are inconsistent, that's a genuine concern.

The NSAC rules cannot possibly be misinterpreted. They allow hand wrap stacking.

To claim otherwise is moronic.

People are believing that something controversial has occurred, when it clearly hasn't.

Hand wrap stacking has been perfectly legal in Nevada for decades.

You haven't actually answered my question there...

I was asking what precisely was the situation with Shields and Lara, was that the same or different to the Canelo situation, and was the ruling by the officials the same or different.

From other responses, I can see that the situations were different. All you said was that stacking is allowed. That was irrelevant to the question.

I showed a video in this thread of a NSAC commissioner discussing Canelo's hands being stacked at the point in time they were being wrapped.

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The NSAC rules cannot possibly be misinterpreted. They allow hand wrap stacking.

To claim otherwise is moronic.

People are believing that something controversial has occurred, when it clearly hasn't.

Hand wrap stacking has been perfectly legal in Nevada for decades.

You haven't actually answered my question there...

I was asking what precisely was the situation with Shields and Lara, was that the same or different to the Canelo situation, and was the ruling by the officials the same or different.

From other responses, I can see that the situations were different. All you said was that stacking is allowed. That was irrelevant to the question.

I showed a video in this thread of a NSAC commissioner discussing Canelo's hands being stacked at the point in time they were being wrapped.

Yes, I saw that later on. Someone somewhere mentioned Shields tried to stack Lara's wraps, but was prevented from doing so. I haven't seen any evidence of that so no reason to believe NSAC have been inconsistent applying their own rules (my personal opinion on what the rules should be isn't really relevant). If any evidence of inconsistency does come to light, I'll obviously have an opinion on that, but I'm not interested in casting judgement where there's nothing to judge.

The Sanchez comments regarding "illegal" wraps should really be a non-issue by now. I can see how he might not know every rule, with boxing's oversight being as fragmented and as messy as it is, and I can see why he's trying to make an issue out of it (wants the casuals who don't check their facts to believe Canelo is a cheat, thereby enhancing how they view GGG), but he's been shown to be wrong. Time to move on.