Sergey Kovalev's pound-for-pound ratings drop from The RING?

[Mexi-Box]

He's not even ranked..

1 Terence Crawford *
2 Vasyl Lomachenko
3 Srisaket Sor Rungvisai *
4 Gennady Golovkin
5 Saul Alvarez
6 Naoya Inoue
7 Leo Santa Cruz
8 Mikey Garcia
9 Oleksandr Usyk
10 Keith Thurman
* Champions as recognised by the Trans

Those 2 Ward losses hurt him..

IMO, all the above have had better wins in the last 2 years. Tell me i'm wrong..

Disagree immensely with those rankings. Crawford is way too high. Sor Rungvisai is the p4p #1 in the world at the moment.

Kovalev should be above Inoue at the least. Thurman doesn't belong. Kovalev is back to top 5 if he beats Bivol, but I really don't think he will.

[gilgamesh]

He's not even ranked..

1 Terence Crawford *
2 Vasyl Lomachenko
3 Srisaket Sor Rungvisai *
4 Gennady Golovkin
5 Saul Alvarez
6 Naoya Inoue
7 Leo Santa Cruz
8 Mikey Garcia
9 Oleksandr Usyk
10 Keith Thurman
* Champions as recognised by the Trans

Those 2 Ward losses hurt him..

IMO, all the above have had better wins in the last 2 years. Tell me i'm wrong..

I wouldn't personally rate Leo Santa Cruz or Thurman in the P4P Top 10 at the moment.

[ValMar]

He's not even ranked..

1 Terence Crawford *
2 Vasyl Lomachenko
3 Srisaket Sor Rungvisai *
4 Gennady Golovkin
5 Saul Alvarez
6 Naoya Inoue
7 Leo Santa Cruz
8 Mikey Garcia
9 Oleksandr Usyk
10 Keith Thurman
* Champions as recognised by the Trans

Those 2 Ward losses hurt him..

IMO, all the above have had better wins in the last 2 years. Tell me i'm wrong..

This list (without Joshua) is senseless for me.
Current version of Kovalev should not be on the top 10 list. Perhaps, he will be back, but right now he doesn't belong here.

That's why we say he (Kovalev) needs a solid win or two, but that he'll be back soon enough.

Don't see Joshua in best P4P just yet. Arguable no doubt.

I would like to see Kovalev fighting some dangerous opponents ASAP.
Any p4p list without the best HW is not worthy, for me.....................

[oogiebe]

This list (without Joshua) is senseless for me.
Current version of Kovalev should not be on the top 10 list. Perhaps, he will be back, but right now he doesn't belong here.

That's why we say he (Kovalev) needs a solid win or two, but that he'll be back soon enough.

Don't see Joshua in best P4P just yet. Arguable no doubt.

I would like to see Kovalev fighting some dangerous opponents ASAP.
Any p4p list without the best HW is not worthy, for me.....................

I get your point. There are times when it is completely inappropriate...I give you...Big John Tate! I was in Essex England on an exchange concert tour and saw that fight (on TV) where the big man got iced in the fifteenth after dominating Mike Weaver...

[Mexi-Box]

This list (without Joshua) is senseless for me.
Current version of Kovalev should not be on the top 10 list. Perhaps, he will be back, but right now he doesn't belong here.

That's why we say he (Kovalev) needs a solid win or two, but that he'll be back soon enough.

Don't see Joshua in best P4P just yet. Arguable no doubt.

I would like to see Kovalev fighting some dangerous opponents ASAP.
Any p4p list without the best HW is not worthy, for me.....................

Crazy stance since the purpose of the p4p list was to give fighters other than HW's recognition. As it stands, Joshua isn't a p4p top 10 fighter with how weak his resume is in comparison to others.

[ValMar]

That's why we say he (Kovalev) needs a solid win or two, but that he'll be back soon enough.

Don't see Joshua in best P4P just yet. Arguable no doubt.

I would like to see Kovalev fighting some dangerous opponents ASAP.
Any p4p list without the best HW is not worthy, for me.....................

Crazy stance since the purpose of the p4p list was to give fighters other than HW's recognition. As it stands, Joshua isn't a p4p top 10 fighter with how weak his resume is in comparison to others.

Crazy or not, I think so, and noone can convince me the opposite..... And Joshua defeated Klitschko (much more important name in boxing than all Inoue's and Santa Cruz's opponents together).

[jamamb]

for me its simply wrong to majorly discount his fights with ward, at least the first one, just because he got an official loss. watch what ACTUALLY happened. its a super close pretty much even fight.

to do that vs an atg shows a very high level and to me is far more impressive then pretty much any wins recently out there. so to me its not so big that he didnt win

BUT

his career has really lossed steam lately. the ward rematch i thought was again essentially even till the end but he did loss that one more convingly, and then two weak opponents after, though he won every round and by stoppage. and even though he dominated he didnt look good vs mikhalkin, whereas fresher guys are really shining in there wins.

so, i think he still has a place in p4p talks but i can see why hes lost steam on that front and is now being questioned

[Mexi-Box]

I would like to see Kovalev fighting some dangerous opponents ASAP.
Any p4p list without the best HW is not worthy, for me.....................

Crazy stance since the purpose of the p4p list was to give fighters other than HW's recognition. As it stands, Joshua isn't a p4p top 10 fighter with how weak his resume is in comparison to others.

Crazy or not, I think so, and noone can convince me the opposite..... And Joshua defeated Klitschko (much more important name in boxing than all Inoue's and Santa Cruz's opponents together).

Klitschko was half-retired and coming off a dominant loss to Fury. Frampton is a better name and Inoue's body of work is better than that one win.

[ValMar]

Crazy stance since the purpose of the p4p list was to give fighters other than HW's recognition. As it stands, Joshua isn't a p4p top 10 fighter with how weak his resume is in comparison to others.

Crazy or not, I think so, and noone can convince me the opposite..... And Joshua defeated Klitschko (much more important name in boxing than all Inoue's and Santa Cruz's opponents together).

Klitschko was half-retired and coming off a dominant loss to Fury. Frampton is a better name and Inoue's body of work is better than that one win.

I would never put Frampton and Klitschko in the same sentence.

[Mexi-Box]

Crazy or not, I think so, and noone can convince me the opposite..... And Joshua defeated Klitschko (much more important name in boxing than all Inoue's and Santa Cruz's opponents together).

Klitschko was half-retired and coming off a dominant loss to Fury. Frampton is a better name and Inoue's body of work is better than that one win.

I would never put Frampton and Klitschko in the same sentence.

My head hurts.

[ValMar]

Klitschko was half-retired and coming off a dominant loss to Fury. Frampton is a better name and Inoue's body of work is better than that one win.

I would never put Frampton and Klitschko in the same sentence.

My head hurts.

OK, nothing personal.....
You and I can not agree about this issue, and this is not the end of the world......
I suppose it will be so many topics we might share the same opinion.

[oogiebe]

I would never put Frampton and Klitschko in the same sentence.

My head hurts.

OK, nothing personal.....
You and I can not agree about this issue, and this is not the end of the world......
I suppose it will be so many topics we might share the same opinion.

Well boys...that's what makes the world go around! You both make rational points and I enjoyed the exchange.

[ValMar]

My head hurts.

OK, nothing personal.....
You and I can not agree about this issue, and this is not the end of the world......
I suppose it will be so many topics we might share the same opinion.

Well boys...that's what makes the world go around! You both make rational points and I enjoyed the exchange.

[oogiebe]

Klitschko was half-retired and coming off a dominant loss to Fury. Frampton is a better name and Inoue's body of work is better than that one win.

I would never put Frampton and Klitschko in the same sentence.

My head hurts.

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I would like to see Kovalev fighting some dangerous opponents ASAP.
Any p4p list without the best HW is not worthy, for me.....................

Crazy stance since the purpose of the p4p list was to give fighters other than HW's recognition. As it stands, Joshua isn't a p4p top 10 fighter with how weak his resume is in comparison to others.

Crazy or not, I think so, and noone can convince me the opposite..... And Joshua defeated Klitschko (much more important name in boxing than all Inoue's and Santa Cruz's opponents together).

Joshua's win over Klitschko is less impressive than Inoue's win over Omar Narvaez. I don't care how 'important' Wlad was, Narvaez was the man at super flyweight, had been for years. Never lost a fight at 115 or below, and his sole career defeat was at the hands of a prime Nonito Donaire, at a higher weight. Even if Narvaez was at the tail end of his career, he wasn't as faded as Wlad.

That was Inoue's 8th fight... Jumping up 2 divisions to win his 2nd world title. Ironed him out in 2 rounds. This was after stopping a highly rated Adrian Hernandez in 6, for the WBC junior flyweight belt, in only his 6th fight.

Inoue may have stagnated slightly, but I'm not sure even Joshua beating Wilder would match what Inoue accomplished in those first 8 fights - the heavyweight division just isn't strong or deep enough at the moment.

[jamamb]

why the eff would a p4p list not be credible simply because it doesnt have a hw?

so a guy deserves extra credit based on his size, when p4p is meant to make size a non factor?

erm kay....

not saying a hw cant deserve a spot, but to say a hw must have a spot simply because they are a hw makes no sense for POUND FOR POUND

[oogiebe]

why the eff would a p4p list not be credible simply because it doesnt have a hw?

so a guy deserves extra credit based on his size, when p4p is meant to make size a non factor?

erm kay....

You're right. It's a total hypocrisy of P4P...else...the list would be all heavy's.

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why the eff would a p4p list not be credible simply because it doesnt have a hw?

Maybe we should make it a p4p top 17 and just have one fighter from each division to be fair?

[oogiebe]

why the eff would a p4p list not be credible simply because it doesnt have a hw?

Maybe we should make it a p4p top 17 and just have one fighter from each division to be fair?

Everyone gets a participation award!

[squiggy]

Crazy stance since the purpose of the p4p list was to give fighters other than HW's recognition. As it stands, Joshua isn't a p4p top 10 fighter with how weak his resume is in comparison to others.

Crazy or not, I think so, and noone can convince me the opposite..... And Joshua defeated Klitschko (much more important name in boxing than all Inoue's and Santa Cruz's opponents together).

Joshua's win over Klitschko is less impressive than Inoue's win over Omar Narvaez. I don't care how 'important' Wlad was, Narvaez was the man at super flyweight, had been for years. Never lost a fight at 115 or below, and his sole career defeat was at the hands of a prime Nonito Donaire, at a higher weight. Even if Narvaez was at the tail end of his career, he wasn't as faded as Wlad.

That was Inoue's 8th fight... Jumping up 2 divisions to win his 2nd world title. Ironed him out in 2 rounds. This was after stopping a highly rated Adrian Hernandez in 6, for the WBC junior flyweight belt, in only his 6th fight.

Inoue may have stagnated slightly, but I'm not sure even Joshua beating Wilder would match what Inoue accomplished in those first 8 fights - the heavyweight division just isn't strong or deep enough at the moment.

X2

He also could well be the top-ranked bantamweight after his next fight.

[Mr. Iron Chin]

Kov post testicle smashing has never been the same. RING is just responding accordingly.

[Ilya Muromets]

The RING’s ratings panel almost unanimously voted to significantly drop Sergey Kovalev in their mythical pound-for-pound rankings from 4th place to 9th, after his “sluggish” performance against the unrated and unheralded Igor Mikhalkin.

It has been twenty months since Krusher has scored a victory over a legitimate world class opponent, which was his lacklustre effort against Isaac Chilemba, who was rated 7th at the time by The RING.

Thoughts?

I get angry whenever I hear anything about "pound for pound ratings". The whole thing started out as a space filler in the trashy Ring magazine. It is nothing more than a list of some jerk's favorite boxers, usually favoring the little guys. The otherwise excellent BoxRec (except for their terrible new color scheme and layout) presents it as if it is some sort of official and objective statistic.

[oogiebe]

The RING’s ratings panel almost unanimously voted to significantly drop Sergey Kovalev in their mythical pound-for-pound rankings from 4th place to 9th, after his “sluggish” performance against the unrated and unheralded Igor Mikhalkin.

It has been twenty months since Krusher has scored a victory over a legitimate world class opponent, which was his lacklustre effort against Isaac Chilemba, who was rated 7th at the time by The RING.

Thoughts?

I get angry whenever I hear anything about "pound for pound ratings". The whole thing started out as a space filler in the trashy Ring magazine. It is nothing more than a list of some jerk's favorite boxers, usually favoring the little guys. The otherwise excellent BoxRec (except for their terrible new color scheme and layout) presents it as if it is some sort of official and objective statistic.

Greatest P4P has been around 4ever. Good reason...Sugar Ray Robinson, long considered the greatest P4P although he almost won the Light Heavy before falling from the heat and a much bigger man, would get killed against a prime heavyweight, but it doesn't diminish his extraordinary skills, nor does it make him less a fighter than that particular heavy, who could be a plodding moronic drooling idiot, but has him by 125 lbs.

I like it.

[Ilya Muromets]

The RING’s ratings panel almost unanimously voted to significantly drop Sergey Kovalev in their mythical pound-for-pound rankings from 4th place to 9th, after his “sluggish” performance against the unrated and unheralded Igor Mikhalkin.

It has been twenty months since Krusher has scored a victory over a legitimate world class opponent, which was his lacklustre effort against Isaac Chilemba, who was rated 7th at the time by The RING.

Thoughts?

I get angry whenever I hear anything about "pound for pound ratings". The whole thing started out as a space filler in the trashy Ring magazine. It is nothing more than a list of some jerk's favorite boxers, usually favoring the little guys. The otherwise excellent BoxRec (except for their terrible new color scheme and layout) presents it as if it is some sort of official and objective statistic.

Greatest P4P has been around 4ever. Good reason...Sugar Ray Robinson, long considered the greatest P4P although he almost won the Light Heavy before falling from the heat and a much bigger man, would get killed against a prime heavyweight, but it doesn't diminish his extraordinary skills, nor does it make him less a fighter than that particular heavy, who could be a plodding moronic drooling idiot, but has him by 125 lbs.

I like it.

You would. And no it hasn't been around "forever". When did Ring mag. invent the stupid thing, in the 1980's or 90's or something?

[oogiebe]

I get angry whenever I hear anything about "pound for pound ratings". The whole thing started out as a space filler in the trashy Ring magazine. It is nothing more than a list of some jerk's favorite boxers, usually favoring the little guys. The otherwise excellent BoxRec (except for their terrible new color scheme and layout) presents it as if it is some sort of official and objective statistic.

Greatest P4P has been around 4ever. Good reason...Sugar Ray Robinson, long considered the greatest P4P although he almost won the Light Heavy before falling from the heat and a much bigger man, would get killed against a prime heavyweight, but it doesn't diminish his extraordinary skills, nor does it make him less a fighter than that particular heavy, who could be a plodding moronic drooling idiot, but has him by 125 lbs.

I like it.

You would. And no it hasn't been around "forever". When did Ring mag. invent the stupid thing, in the 1980's or 90's or something?

It was around long before. Ring just 'officialized' it. Boxing historians fans alike have been intrigued by this for a century or better. Why say "you would?" Is this that big of a deal?