Why Wilder would beat Joshua

[bbjc]

Agree he's got his flaws mate. I m not saying no one will beat Joshua. Just don't think its a good style match up for wilder. Joshua gets a lot of guys from the outside before moving inside. He's faster than he's giving credit for he also doesn't give opponents much to hit with the cover them big arms protect him with. I still think wilders a coward at heart. He won't exchange with Joshua just back up. The problem is Joshua can hit him without needing to get inside. Wilder will just try and wait for an opportunity for one of his rushes. The problem is Joshua isn,t all that open from the outside...i dont think wilder will risk going into him. Ortiz,s problem was he had to get inside to be really effective. Wilders waiting for you with the big right hand. Gives the smaller guys nightmares. That's what usually kicks off his rushes. Hurts them coming in....then kicks it all off. The problems will come when they don't need to get inside. Joshua will hurt him on the outside first before moving inside. I see him battering wilder tbh. But as you say let's see what happens. Should be the next fight tbh...wilders earned it with an excellent win against a very good fighter in Ortiz...albeit one that was made for him but a good fighter all the same.

Wilder will always,have a punchers chance against anyone but barring that Joshua's all wrong for him imo. Still an interesting fight tho.

[oogiebe]

Agree he's got his flaws mate. I m not saying no one will beat Joshua. Just don't think its a good style match up for wilder. Joshua gets a lot of guys from the outside before moving inside. He's faster than he's giving credit for he also doesn't give opponents much to hit with the cover them big arms protect him with. I still think wilders a coward at heart. He won't exchange with Joshua just back up. The problem is Joshua can hit him without needing to get inside. Wilder will just try and wait for an opportunity for one of his rushes. The problem is Joshua isn,t all that open from the outside...i dont think wilder will risk going into him. Ortiz,s problem was he had to get inside to be really effective. Wilders waiting for you with the big right hand. Gives the smaller guys nightmares. That's what usually kicks off his rushes. Hurts them coming in....then kicks it all off. The problems will come when they don't need to get inside. Joshua will hurt him on the outside first before moving inside. I see him battering wilder tbh. But as you say let's see what happens. Should be the next fight tbh...wilders earned it with an excellent win against a very good fighter in Ortiz...albeit one that was made for him but a good fighter all the same.

Wilder will always,have a punchers chance against anyone but barring that Joshua's all wrong for him imo. Still an interesting fight tho.

Dude...that was excellent! I don't think Wilder's a coward though, and he has the advantage from the outside. AJ is way more polished and has a way higher boxing IQ. AJ's weakness is lack of head movement and suspect stamina. You had me though. You are first AJ backer (no disrespect) that made a really good case. I'm re-thinking. I'd rather see Wilder have an interim and see what, if anything he might learn. Cheers!

[bbjc]

Cheers mate...what a difference when you can talk to people without it descending into trying to one up each other etc. Yeah agree wilders not a coward. Didn't really mean it like that...the guys the champion of the world after all. More meant against anyone decent he will most likely fight in a negative manner. As in the guys that can't reach him....he,ll fight on the back foot. Waiting for them with the right hand if they do try to get inside. Keeping them on the outside. Its smart tactics tbh. He knows he's to protect his chin like all heavyweights do tbh. Wilders a nightmare to fight as the smaller man. Ortiz got all the skill in the world but the reality was he had to get inside. Wilders very good at keeping them on the outside. I think they,ve worked his reflexes in training well. As soon as you come into a certain range you will most likely face a big right hand. I actually rate wilder. Spent a lot of time questioning Joshua from the start. Mainly his stamina will go being such a big man. I think it would but I suspect he's on something like most of them that's kind of messing up the argument his staminas crap. I don't think it is crap if you watch his fights closely...he actually fights at a very high pace. His stamina only really goes....and this is his biggest problem....when he's hit with something big. His body betrays him. Whats saved him tho is his mind clears unlike say Bruno who,s mind shut down. Its Joshua's body that slows down.

He gassed for rounds against white after he was hit. And gassed against klitchko. But what a lot of people missed was Klitschko's clips him with a left hook just before it shuts down. Most people think it was tiredness from what he put into his attack against Klitschko. I m not sure many people realize he got hit with something big. I think Carl froch picked up on it in the British commentary. Without clipping Joshua he actually has a good engine. Wilders a dangerous fight because he can punch. But I still think wilders only getting away with finding a home for his punches because he's fighting either guys that need to get inside on him.....or big guys that are,nt very good.

Time will tell tho mate. Would be a fight I,d happily pay to watch.

[oogiebe]

Cheers mate...what a difference when you can talk to people without it descending into trying to one up each other etc. Yeah agree wilders not a coward. Didn't really mean it like that...the guys the champion of the world after all. More meant against anyone decent he will most likely fight in a negative manner. As in the guys that can't reach him....he,ll fight on the back foot. Waiting for them with the right hand if they do try to get inside. Keeping them on the outside. Its smart tactics tbh. He knows he's to protect his chin like all heavyweights do tbh. Wilders a nightmare to fight as the smaller man. Ortiz got all the skill in the world but the reality was he had to get inside. Wilders very good at keeping them on the outside. I think they,ve worked his reflexes in training well. As soon as you come into a certain range you will most likely face a big right hand. I actually rate wilder. Spent a lot of time questioning Joshua from the start. Mainly his stamina will go being such a big man. I think it would but I suspect he's on something like most of them that's kind of messing up the argument his staminas crap. I don't think it is crap if you watch his fights closely...he actually fights at a very high pace. His stamina only really goes....and this is his biggest problem....when he's hit with something big. His body betrays him. Whats saved him tho is his mind clears unlike say Bruno who,s mind shut down. Its Joshua's body that slows down.

He gassed for rounds against white after he was hit. And gassed against klitchko. But what a lot of people missed was Klitschko's clips him with a left hook just before it shuts down. Most people think it was tiredness from what he put into his attack against Klitschko. I m not sure many people realize he got hit with something big. I think Carl froch picked up on it in the British commentary. Without clipping Joshua he actually has a good engine. Wilders a dangerous fight because he can punch. But I still think wilders only getting away with finding a home for his punches because he's fighting either guys that need to get inside on him.....or big guys that are,nt very good.

Time will tell tho mate. Would be a fight I,d happily pay to watch.

Finally, a true fan of the sport. So if it was that Joshua was hurt, it seemed that the effect was long lasting. Does he not have good recuperative powers? I know he came back and beat up Wlad pretty good, but he looked sluggish. I really believe that if he wasn't so into his body building and smoothed out those muscles, he'd be a super fighter. I'm looking forward to when they throw hands. We should catch up after the Parker fight and see if we learn anything...if it lasts long enough. Be well!

[Best Coast]

Cheers mate...what a difference when you can talk to people without it descending into trying to one up each other etc. Yeah agree wilders not a coward. Didn't really mean it like that...the guys the champion of the world after all. More meant against anyone decent he will most likely fight in a negative manner. As in the guys that can't reach him....he,ll fight on the back foot. Waiting for them with the right hand if they do try to get inside. Keeping them on the outside. Its smart tactics tbh. He knows he's to protect his chin like all heavyweights do tbh. Wilders a nightmare to fight as the smaller man. Ortiz got all the skill in the world but the reality was he had to get inside. Wilders very good at keeping them on the outside. I think they,ve worked his reflexes in training well. As soon as you come into a certain range you will most likely face a big right hand. I actually rate wilder. Spent a lot of time questioning Joshua from the start. Mainly his stamina will go being such a big man. I think it would but I suspect he's on something like most of them that's kind of messing up the argument his staminas crap. I don't think it is crap if you watch his fights closely...he actually fights at a very high pace. His stamina only really goes....and this is his biggest problem....when he's hit with something big. His body betrays him. Whats saved him tho is his mind clears unlike say Bruno who,s mind shut down. Its Joshua's body that slows down.

He gassed for rounds against white after he was hit. And gassed against klitchko. But what a lot of people missed was Klitschko's clips him with a left hook just before it shuts down. Most people think it was tiredness from what he put into his attack against Klitschko. I m not sure many people realize he got hit with something big. I think Carl froch picked up on it in the British commentary. Without clipping Joshua he actually has a good engine. Wilders a dangerous fight because he can punch. But I still think wilders only getting away with finding a home for his punches because he's fighting either guys that need to get inside on him.....or big guys that are,nt very good.

Time will tell tho mate. Would be a fight I,d happily pay to watch.

Finally, a true fan of the sport. So if it was that Joshua was hurt, it seemed that the effect was long lasting. Does he not have good recuperative powers? I know he came back and beat up Wlad pretty good, but he looked sluggish. I really believe that if he wasn't so into his body building and smoothed out those muscles, he'd be a super fighter. I'm looking forward to when they throw hands. We should catch up after the Parker fight and see if we learn anything...if it lasts long enough. Be well!

Great topic thread amigo!!

Good points from both sides, and I'm currently leaning toward Joshua as the favorite (though I clearly will CHEER for Wilder). I have a question for you. I just rewatched Joshua-Klitschko last night and it seemed to me (I'd like your input) that after dropping AJ with that sensational right hand in the 6th, that from the 7th to the end of the fight Wlad was NOT throwing the right with the same authority. He seemed to be favoring it and had me wondering if he hurt it in the 6th. He almost seemed to be using it as a decoy and the one time he did land it solid (with about :20 second left in the 10th) it didnt seem to have the same authority as before.

Maybe you could re-watch rounds 6-11 and tell me if you notice anything like what I describe above...

[jas80s]

I was never terribly impressed with Wilder. After all, it was kind of hard to be, he hadn't really been given a real test and his technical flaws seemed about as numerous as his athletic and physical gifts. He wasn't total crap to me, but nothing that got me too excited as a fight fan.

But, I was impressed with what he showed against Ortiz whom I believe showed up and gave a legit effort in their fight. So, now I am pretty pumped for a showdown between these two. I still see flaws with Wilder (as we all do), but I will say this, the right hand is dynamite. Oddly, it never struck me as such an amazing punch, but the way guys react when they get hit by it? That thing is the truth.

Still, I lean toward Joshua in a fight. I think he is a little more complete as a fighter, while still showing some potential issues himself. But, I think the way he puts his punches together is critical. To me, Wilder NEEDS to land a single big shot and if Joshua is careful and smart, he should be able to avoid that (as a world class fighter). On the other hand, I think Joshua has more of an ability to set up a more fluid combination where he might ultimately catch Wilder with something he simply doesn't see. Just my take on the two guys.

But, anybody who thinks Joshua won't be in massive trouble if Wilder gets there with a big right hand is definitely looking at a different Joshua than me.

[oogiebe]

Cheers mate...what a difference when you can talk to people without it descending into trying to one up each other etc. Yeah agree wilders not a coward. Didn't really mean it like that...the guys the champion of the world after all. More meant against anyone decent he will most likely fight in a negative manner. As in the guys that can't reach him....he,ll fight on the back foot. Waiting for them with the right hand if they do try to get inside. Keeping them on the outside. Its smart tactics tbh. He knows he's to protect his chin like all heavyweights do tbh. Wilders a nightmare to fight as the smaller man. Ortiz got all the skill in the world but the reality was he had to get inside. Wilders very good at keeping them on the outside. I think they,ve worked his reflexes in training well. As soon as you come into a certain range you will most likely face a big right hand. I actually rate wilder. Spent a lot of time questioning Joshua from the start. Mainly his stamina will go being such a big man. I think it would but I suspect he's on something like most of them that's kind of messing up the argument his staminas crap. I don't think it is crap if you watch his fights closely...he actually fights at a very high pace. His stamina only really goes....and this is his biggest problem....when he's hit with something big. His body betrays him. Whats saved him tho is his mind clears unlike say Bruno who,s mind shut down. Its Joshua's body that slows down.

He gassed for rounds against white after he was hit. And gassed against klitchko. But what a lot of people missed was Klitschko's clips him with a left hook just before it shuts down. Most people think it was tiredness from what he put into his attack against Klitschko. I m not sure many people realize he got hit with something big. I think Carl froch picked up on it in the British commentary. Without clipping Joshua he actually has a good engine. Wilders a dangerous fight because he can punch. But I still think wilders only getting away with finding a home for his punches because he's fighting either guys that need to get inside on him.....or big guys that are,nt very good.

Time will tell tho mate. Would be a fight I,d happily pay to watch.

Finally, a true fan of the sport. So if it was that Joshua was hurt, it seemed that the effect was long lasting. Does he not have good recuperative powers? I know he came back and beat up Wlad pretty good, but he looked sluggish. I really believe that if he wasn't so into his body building and smoothed out those muscles, he'd be a super fighter. I'm looking forward to when they throw hands. We should catch up after the Parker fight and see if we learn anything...if it lasts long enough. Be well!

Great topic thread amigo!!

Good points from both sides, and I'm currently leaning toward Joshua as the favorite (though I clearly will CHEER for Wilder). I have a question for you. I just rewatched Joshua-Klitschko last night and it seemed to me (I'd like your input) that after dropping AJ with that sensational right hand in the 6th, that from the 7th to the end of the fight Wlad was NOT throwing the right with the same authority. He seemed to be favoring it and had me wondering if he hurt it in the 6th. He almost seemed to be using it as a decoy and the one time he did land it solid (with about :20 second left in the 10th) it didnt seem to have the same authority as before.

Maybe you could re-watch rounds 6-11 and tell me if you notice anything like what I describe above...

i'LL GLADLY WATCH THTE FIGHT AGAIN AS IT WAS A GREAT FIGHT, HOWEVER; DON'T YOU THINK IF WLAD HAD A HAND ISSUE WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN BY NOW?

[Best Coast]

Finally, a true fan of the sport. So if it was that Joshua was hurt, it seemed that the effect was long lasting. Does he not have good recuperative powers? I know he came back and beat up Wlad pretty good, but he looked sluggish. I really believe that if he wasn't so into his body building and smoothed out those muscles, he'd be a super fighter. I'm looking forward to when they throw hands. We should catch up after the Parker fight and see if we learn anything...if it lasts long enough. Be well!

Great topic thread amigo!!

Good points from both sides, and I'm currently leaning toward Joshua as the favorite (though I clearly will CHEER for Wilder). I have a question for you. I just rewatched Joshua-Klitschko last night and it seemed to me (I'd like your input) that after dropping AJ with that sensational right hand in the 6th, that from the 7th to the end of the fight Wlad was NOT throwing the right with the same authority. He seemed to be favoring it and had me wondering if he hurt it in the 6th. He almost seemed to be using it as a decoy and the one time he did land it solid (with about :20 second left in the 10th) it didnt seem to have the same authority as before.

Maybe you could re-watch rounds 6-11 and tell me if you notice anything like what I describe above...

i'LL GLADLY WATCH THE FIGHT AGAIN AS IT WAS A GREAT FIGHT, HOWEVER; DON'T YOU THINK IF WLAD HAD A HAND ISSUE WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN BY NOW?

Why? Wlad ended up retiring and he's not the type of guy to make excuses, so I wouldnt expect him to bring it up. Unless it was fractured and it wouldnt have to be broken to give him problems. Let me know what you think AFTER you rewatch the fight (or at least the last 6 rounds).

[oogiebe]

Great topic thread amigo!!

Good points from both sides, and I'm currently leaning toward Joshua as the favorite (though I clearly will CHEER for Wilder). I have a question for you. I just rewatched Joshua-Klitschko last night and it seemed to me (I'd like your input) that after dropping AJ with that sensational right hand in the 6th, that from the 7th to the end of the fight Wlad was NOT throwing the right with the same authority. He seemed to be favoring it and had me wondering if he hurt it in the 6th. He almost seemed to be using it as a decoy and the one time he did land it solid (with about :20 second left in the 10th) it didnt seem to have the same authority as before.

Maybe you could re-watch rounds 6-11 and tell me if you notice anything like what I describe above...

i'LL GLADLY WATCH THE FIGHT AGAIN AS IT WAS A GREAT FIGHT, HOWEVER; DON'T YOU THINK IF WLAD HAD A HAND ISSUE WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN BY NOW?

Why? Wlad ended up retiring and he's not the type of guy to make excuses, so I wouldnt expect him to bring it up. Unless it was fractured and it wouldnt have to be broken to give him problems. Let me know what you think AFTER you rewatch the fight (or at least the last 6 rounds).

I will watch...thanks!

[Kalan]

Honestly see it as an easy fight for Joshua. Wilder will always have that punchers chance but that's all it is. Wilders really a spoiler at heart...he,s only fought one decent opponent. A guy that was old, slow of foot, made for him and who he had height/reach advantages over. Hes never fought a decent fighter with similar reach/height than him. That's when the holes in his game will get exposed big time. He just negates the other guys work the higher up he's went. He does it either with his advantages...or the other guys just not being very good. Stays out of range from the smaller guys pretty well tbf...cause he can move a bit. As soon as he comes up against someone that doesn't need to get inside to hurt him he,ll fall apart.

Compare there fights with Molina...Joshua banged him out without breaking a sweat. And yet he rocked wilder a few times in that fight. I m not sure Molina even hit Joshua. Can see Joshua punching him all over the ring. Joshua will have bigger problems with other guys. Wilder will give the smaller guys nitemares. He,all struggle against anyone decent with similar length/height to him.

I beg to disagree, but rather than get into a back and forth, let's just see what happens. I understand the feelings fans have for Joshua, but he's still a pup and has flaws.

Josh is no pup....that's crazy... He's 28 and going into his 6th Heavyweight Championship Fight... That's more than most Heavyweight Champs had... He doesn't have glaring flaws that Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, and Lewis, had... Patterson was wide open with that peek-a-boo stance that could be shredded... Walcott would load the right and get ripped on the chin... Johansson had oodles of bad flaws... Wladimir had terrible flaws when he had 40 fights... AJ has 20 fights.

Even Louis had a major flaw in dropping his left hand after some jabs... Dempsey ate jabs... Marciano ate everything.

You'll have to point out Joshua's flaw or flaws to us... They're not major or apparent... He's pretty tight.

[Like a Boss]

Wilder's orthodoxy is both his strength and his weakness, and it is hard to prepare to fight a guy like that.

Joshua is unquestionably the better exponent of the noble art. But Wilder's right hand is a fight-ender and he he is cool and waits patiently for the opportunity to land the bomb.

Has the makings of a fascinating fight.

[oogiebe]

Wilder's orthodoxy is both his strength and his weakness, and it is hard to prepare to fight a guy like that.

Joshua is unquestionably the better exponent of the noble art. But Wilder's right hand is a fight-ender and he he is cool and waits patiently for the opportunity to land the bomb.

Has the makings of a fascinating fight.

100%

[Badhusker]

Most people don't mention the trouble Wilder had because Ortiz was a 6'4" very skilled and experienced southpaw. Maybe that is why Hearn steered Joshua away from him.

Only Joshua's chin will save him vs Wilder, and I'm not sure it's that good.

[Kalan]

What I would say is Wilder is quick and athletic... He absorbs a punch well and hangs in there with cool detachment when he gets hurt... He's not going to start fouling up or panic like a Norton, Harrison, or Coetzee when he's hurt bad... He's cool under fire... He's dangerous when he hurt because he can still throw... Ortiz blew it.

Boy did Ortiz get big eyes.....like he wasn't used to finishing guys off... He's scored almost all KO wins and he loses his cool... He's 39 this month so he's old... Maybe he's just a middle aged has-been who can't do it... His corner was yelling at him -- putting a lot of pressure on him... "This is it Luis!!! There IS no tomorrow!!! You gotta get him!!!" .... I HATE that approach.

It works better to say... "He's hurt Luis.. He's ready to go so be cool out there.. Don't panic... You've done this before... Don't let him hold you or lean on you... Get your arms free... Stay on him... Put your punches together and get him outta here."

[Like a Boss]

Most people don't mention the trouble Wilder had because Ortiz was a 6'4" very skilled and experienced southpaw. Maybe that is why Hearn steered Joshua away from him.

Only Joshua's chin will save him vs Wilder, and I'm not sure it's that good.

Ortiz is still one of the most dangerous heavyweights out there. That's why Hearn took control of him, and very probably why Hearn planted Ortiz in the path of Wilder vs Joshua.

You have to wonder how keen Hearn really is to make Joshua-Wilder? Wilder is the biggest risk to Eddie's cash cow out there and there is plenty of easy money to be made without engaging with Wilder.

[TheTorontoGuy309]

I think Joshua will beat him. Of course Wilder has a chance but let's face it, his competition has been very poor. Looking at clips of Tyson, he fought in-shape men who were 90% of the time much bigger than him (Tyson only being 5 foot 10). Wilder has never fought anyone his height except for Gerald Washington and he's never fought anyone as strong as him.

Sure, Wilder survived the round 7 onslaught by 89-year-old Luiz Ortiz but the fact is, ten more seconds and he would have been out. Not to mention the referee gave Wilder another 20 seconds at the beginning of round 8. If there wasn't a delay into round 8, Luiz Ortiz would have been in a much better position to finish Wilder. Let's keep in mind at that Ortiz' age, stamina is an issue. Ortiz easily was up 5-2 at the start of round 8.

Anthony Joshua is younger and more experienced than Wilder. He fought and beat Klitschko who dominated the division for the past 11 years. Luiz Ortiz was the only notable fighter Wilder has ever fought. I honestly think Dillian Whyte has a chance against Wilder when you see how he almost got AJ out of there.

Now, onto AJ. Yes, he has a glass chin. That is what makes this fight interesting. If AJ had a granite chin we wouldn't even be talking about this. AJ is stronger with way more Ring IQ. But Wilder has a good right hand that could land at any second and send AJ down. However AJ has shown that he has the heart and strength to get up and win.

It's a toss up. But I got AJ winning either by points or late-round knockout.

[Kalan]

Hearn is also a Boxing fan... HE wants to see Joshua-Wilder... EVERYBODY wants to see it...

There may be a lot of money involved with other Heavyweight fights... But everybody knows what THE fight is... Everybody knows that Joshua-Wilder is going to follow Joshua-Parker like day follows night... It will be in Wembley Stadium.

If there's a rematch it will be in Las Vegas... Whatever happens Boxing will be bigger after these 2 Heavyweights meet.

[jamamb]

Most people don't mention the trouble Wilder had because Ortiz was a 6'4" very skilled and experienced southpaw. Maybe that is why Hearn steered Joshua away from him.

Only Joshua's chin will save him vs Wilder, and I'm not sure it's that good.

Ortiz is still one of the most dangerous heavyweights out there. That's why Hearn took control of him, and very probably why Hearn planted Ortiz in the path of Wilder vs Joshua.

You have to wonder how keen Hearn really is to make Joshua-Wilder? Wilder is the biggest risk to Eddie's cash cow out there and there is plenty of easy money to be made without engaging with Wilder.

how did hearn 'plant' ortz in the path of aj vs wlder

[Kalan]

Hearn didn't do any planting.... But what was needed was a big Wilder win over a really good Heavyweight in a dramatic fight... To raise the profile of Deontay Wilder and bookend the dramatic Joshua-Klitschko Fight.

The last time 2 undefeated Heavyweight Champions fought was 30 years ago in Atlantic City... Tyson vs Spinks... It broke every record, but wasn't as competitive as people hoped... It didn't have international flavor... This one won't disappoint.

[oogiebe]

Most people don't mention the trouble Wilder had because Ortiz was a 6'4" very skilled and experienced southpaw. Maybe that is why Hearn steered Joshua away from him.

Only Joshua's chin will save him vs Wilder, and I'm not sure it's that good.

Ortiz is still one of the most dangerous heavyweights out there. That's why Hearn took control of him, and very probably why Hearn planted Ortiz in the path of Wilder vs Joshua.

You have to wonder how keen Hearn really is to make Joshua-Wilder? Wilder is the biggest risk to Eddie's cash cow out there and there is plenty of easy money to be made without engaging with Wilder.

Great point!

[oogiebe]

Hearn didn't do any planting.... But what was needed was a big Wilder win over a really good Heavyweight in a dramatic fight... To raise the profile of Deontay Wilder and bookend the dramatic Joshua-Klitschko Fight.

The last time 2 undefeated Heavyweight Champions fought was 30 years ago in Atlantic City... Tyson vs Spinks... It broke every record, but wasn't as competitive as people hoped... It didn't have international flavor... This one won't disappoint.

Kalan...I agree 100%

[Enlightened-One]

The last time 2 undefeated Heavyweight Champions fought was 30 years ago in Atlantic City... Tyson vs Spinks...

I know you’re talking about a potential Joshua-Wilder match-up, but won’t AJ’s bout against Joseph Parker be a fight between two undefeated world heavyweight champions? If we're lucky, it might happen twice during 2018.

[oogiebe]

The last time 2 undefeated Heavyweight Champions fought was 30 years ago in Atlantic City... Tyson vs Spinks...

I know you’re talking about a potential Joshua-Wilder match-up, but won’t AJ’s bout against Joseph Parker be a fight between two undefeated world heavyweight champions? If we're lucky, it might happen twice during 2018.

Let's just get the first one...

[oogiebe]

Finally, a true fan of the sport. So if it was that Joshua was hurt, it seemed that the effect was long lasting. Does he not have good recuperative powers? I know he came back and beat up Wlad pretty good, but he looked sluggish. I really believe that if he wasn't so into his body building and smoothed out those muscles, he'd be a super fighter. I'm looking forward to when they throw hands. We should catch up after the Parker fight and see if we learn anything...if it lasts long enough. Be well!

Great topic thread amigo!!

Good points from both sides, and I'm currently leaning toward Joshua as the favorite (though I clearly will CHEER for Wilder). I have a question for you. I just rewatched Joshua-Klitschko last night and it seemed to me (I'd like your input) that after dropping AJ with that sensational right hand in the 6th, that from the 7th to the end of the fight Wlad was NOT throwing the right with the same authority. He seemed to be favoring it and had me wondering if he hurt it in the 6th. He almost seemed to be using it as a decoy and the one time he did land it solid (with about :20 second left in the 10th) it didnt seem to have the same authority as before.

Maybe you could re-watch rounds 6-11 and tell me if you notice anything like what I describe above...

i'LL GLADLY WATCH THTE FIGHT AGAIN AS IT WAS A GREAT FIGHT, HOWEVER; DON'T YOU THINK IF WLAD HAD A HAND ISSUE WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN BY NOW?

Sorry it took so long. I watched last evening.

[/1 - Klitchko was throwing more left hooks after that point.
2 - When he did throw the right, he was not coming forward, thus diminishing impact

Reason?:
1 - Joshua started to 'knock down' Klitchkos left when Wlad was lining up the right
2 - I saw a couple of counterpunches that may have made Wlad a bit cautious
3 -Wlad looked a bit gassed, and Joshua began to get his second wind and also began to throw combinations again as he had earlier in the fight..
4 - I have no f'@#$%ing idea! lol

Really reminded me what a fantastic fight it was!!!!b]

[Kalan]

Finally, a true fan of the sport. So if it was that Joshua was hurt, it seemed that the effect was long lasting. Does he not have good recuperative powers? I know he came back and beat up Wlad pretty good, but he looked sluggish. I really believe that if he wasn't so into his body building and smoothed out those muscles, he'd be a super fighter. I'm looking forward to when they throw hands. We should catch up after the Parker fight and see if we learn anything...if it lasts long enough. Be well!

A lot of Klitschko fans didn't watch this fight objectively... Both fighters went for the KO... Roy Jones commentated, "This is the best I ever seen Wladimir fight." That's true... Wladimir was trained to the zenith and was going for the KO. It was the best he ever was offensively and defensively... He didn't grab a ton and stayed very active after the first 3 rds...

Joshua put the first 5 in the bank by being extremely active, going for the finish, and scoring a knockdown, but they both fought very hard in the 4th and 5th, trading really hard shots... You could hear Jonathan Banks telling Wlad that he was giving the fight away after the 3rd and 4th and that he was way behind... Before Joshua scored the knockdown he was hit with some tremendous left hooks and right hands. They were both fighting very hard.

In the 6th Joshua was nailed with a tremendous right hand and went down... That would have finished most Heavyweights right there. He was hit with many follow up shots in the 6th and 7th, but easily slipped the biggest loaded swings Wlad threw... He kept up a steady chatter at Klitschko to flummox him... Wlad said, "I never hear what my opponents say. I'm too concentrated on the fight." But you hear what your opponents say. It does distract you.

Anybody who ever fought would have been fatigued by the pace they were fighting with very few clinches.. It was an ATG Heavyweight Fight. Anybody who says it wasn't is bonkers.. AJ was still in the lead because of his early pace.. He scored 3 knockdowns to 1 and forced the stoppage... Joshua was throwing double and triple jabs.. following up with hooks, right hands uppercuts and body shots.. He doesn't neglect body work like many tall Heavyweights do,

Joshua doesn't body build... He strength trains specific to Boxing... Videos on YouTube detail his many training regimens.. He swims... does body weight routines... does flexibility, agility, and balance work... does plyometrics... does hand eye coordination drills... does precision footwork and foot-speed drills using the ladder... does TRX work... does highbar work... does all kinds of abs, obliques, and lower back work.... You develop your body to it's maximum strength, speed, agility, flexibility, balance, durability and endurance.. That doesn't mean fat, weak, flabby arms like Joe Frazier who couldn't press 170 in SuperStars.. He was beaten by the smaller Bob Seagren

Start at 2:26... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUTxgTEdZTA&t=213s ... The skinny kid lifts. Then Frazier.

Watch Joshua-Klitschko with an unbiased eye. You'll see Joshua as a complete boxer - faster and better than Wilder with half as many fights... He'll overwhelm DW with superior skills and speed and get rid of him faster than Wlad.