Kathy Duva says Kovalev-Bivol won't happen until 2019!

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Kathy Duva says Kovalev-Bivol won't happen until 2019!

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Kathy Duva insists that we won't get to see a fight between both of her guys (Kovalev-Bivol) until 2019, by which time, the Krusher will be 36 years of age:

https://www.ringtv.com/531103-kathy-duv ... ding-2019/

Who will these guys face in the meantime?

And is Duva cashing in on her cash cow, by staging a "passing of the torch" type bout, whereby the final act of Kovalev's career is to be used as a sacrificial lamb to help establish Bivol's stardom?

Thoughts? :-?
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I think it's fair. Kovalev can fight Stevenson/Jack winner, Alvarez, or Beterbiev. Same with Bivol. The division is pretty deep at the moment that both dudes have several options.
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i think a karo murat is far more likely then a stevenson, jack, beterbiev, etc
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most recent rankings i found

WBO

CHAMPION SERGEY KOVALEV RUS
1 Marcus Browne USA
2 Anthony Yarde (WBO Europe)(Int-Cont) UK
3 Mike Lee USA
4 Igor Mikhalkin RUS
5 Eleider Alvarez COL
6 Dominic Boesel GER
7 Sean Monaghan USA
8 Karo Murat ARM
9 Manuel Ceballos (Latino) MEX
10 Damien Hooper (International) AUST
11 Robert Parzeczewski (WBO Youth) POL
12 Blake Caperello AUST
13 Joe Smith Jr. USA
14 Fanlong Meng (Oriental) CHN
15 Gasan Gasanov (Asia-Pacific) RUS

WBA

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT175 LBS / 79.38 KGS
WBA WORLD CHAMPION DMITRY BIVOL
1 SULLIVAN BARRERA CUB
2 BADOU JACK SWE
3 ELEIDER ALVAREZ COL
4 KARO MURAT ARM
5 MARCUS BROWNE USA
6 SHEFAT ISUFI SRB
7 JOE SMITH JR USA
8 JUERGEN BRAEHMER GER
9 JEAN PASCAL CAN
10 FELIX VALERA DOM
11 JOE FOURNIER INT GBR
12 MIKE LEE USA
13 BLAKE CAPARELLO OCEANIA AUS
14 JAKE BALL CON GBR
15 EGOR MEKHONTSEV RUS
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for bivol maybe i can see them getting pascal. he said he was retiring but he won well last fight vs an unbeaten guy and maybe he keeps fighting for a title shot. i can see blake caparello vs chilemba winner too, and both have worked with duva

bivol ill guess in the next year or so fights at least one of pascal, caparello/chilemba, mike lee, joe smith, or mekhonstev

kov ill say this next year or so he fights at least one of murat, boesel, smith, or lee. so very bleh quality.

pretty much any exciting opponent like alvarez or browne ill say doesnt happen, let alone another champ like beterbiev or jack/stevenson, all those are with al too i think
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jamamb wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 22:03
3 Mike Lee USA

12 MIKE LEE USA
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Enlightened-One wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 21:25 Kathy Duva insists that we won't get to see a fight between both of her guys (Kovalev-Bivol) until 2019, by which time, the Krusher will be 36 years of age:

https://www.ringtv.com/531103-kathy-duv ... ding-2019/

Who will these guys face in the meantime?

And is Duva cashing in on her cash cow, by staging a "passing of the torch" type bout, whereby the final act of Kovalev's career is to be used as a sacrificial lamb to help establish Bivol's stardom?

Thoughts? :-?
I think you're onto something. If they give Kovalev some of the easier marks at 175 (like Mikhalkin) that will more or less confirm that suspicion. I'll actually be surprised if they match Kovalev very tough before Bivol.
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well the wbo top 15 is pretty much just weak opponents

the two who stand out (browne and alvarez) are both haymon fighters and we know the politics. the wbc and ibf champ are both with haymon too

tbf barrera twice turned down offers to be a kov comeback opponent (once for the shab date and once for the mikhlakin date) and i think he wouldve been perfectly acceptable

who is the best realistic option? cant see it being anyone too good when there gonna hold off from bivol. i think duva prob wants to get the most from each of them as she can because she doesnt have much else.
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jamamb wrote: 14 Mar 2018, 02:08 well the wbo top 15 is pretty much just weak opponents

the two who stand out (browne and alvarez) are both haymon fighters and we know the politics. the wbc and ibf champ are both with haymon too

tbf barrera twice turned down offers to be a kov comeback opponent (once for the shab date and once for the mikhlakin date) and i think he wouldve been perfectly acceptable

who is the best realistic option? cant see it being anyone too good when there gonna hold off from bivol. i think duva prob wants to get the most from each of them as she can because she doesnt have much else.
The obvious reasons why Barrera chose to face Bivol for less money than he would have earned facing Kovalev was because: at the time of the discussions, his bout against Krusher wasn’t going to be for a world title; Kathy Duva’s offers came with extra conditions that he couldn’t agree to; and also due to his contest against the little-known Dmitry was considered as being a toss-up type competitive fight for the WBA world championship.

Barrera rejected an opportunity to face Artur Beterbiev, because the outcome of the resulting winning purse bid meant that he was only being paid $62,500.

The Cuban claims that he took both the Shabanskyy and Joe Smith Jr. bouts “for no money” and he felt that he deserved to be paid fairly after gaining those wins. So he said that he’d take $300K to face Kovalev as long as they’d guarantee him more money if he won, but Kathy Duva wasn’t interested.

Apparently, Kathy Duva submitted a second offer to Barrera, but not only was it was $100K less than her initial proposal; it also included a stipulation that he had to sign with Main Events for the remainder of his career, so he turned her down.

From what I’ve read, Kathy Duva used the age old promoter tactic of insisting to submit a lowball offer and then subsequently proclaiming “duck” when it wasn’t accepted, which helps perpetuate the myth that “nobody wants to face Kovalev”.

In regards to Sergey Kovalev’s last two opponents, Igor Mikhalkin and Vyacheslav Shabranskyy, neither man was even rated in the WBO’s top-15 rankings at the time those bouts were announced. So the excuse of having a list of limited calibre qualified WBO contenders is irrelevant.
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ya, guess barreras gamble didnt pay off, as he was just dominated and kod for less money. btw wasnt bivol a massive favorite who was expected by most to stop barrera? didnt think it was considered a toss up.

looking at the wbo top 15 we better hope a better guy gets added soon. im guessing it will be uninspiring opponents until maybe duva feels its time to feed kov to bivol
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jamamb wrote: 14 Mar 2018, 05:15 looking at the wbo top 15 we better hope a better guy gets added soon. im guessing it will be uninspiring opponents until maybe duva feels its time to feed kov to bivol
Wonder when his mandatory is due? Unless there is an eliminator first.
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Please refer to the "Sergey Kovalev's Next Opponent?" thread for my thoughts about potential candidates that are worthy of being Krusher's next WBO title challenger.
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I think that this is a big mistake by Duva. Right now is the time for Kovalev to fight Bivol. The purse would be pretty darn good I think if they jazz up the card with a second interesting matchup. But the big reason why I feel it should happen now is because Kovalev's best chance to beat Bivol is now. I felt Barrera exposed some defensive flaws in Bivol and had he more pop on his punches, maybe the fight would have been closer than the blowout it was.

Bivol didn't even like his performance against SB. Kovalev's jab and experience would make this a very good matchup right now. At this stage in Kovalev's career, there's HUGE differences in 1 years time in terms of the erosion of talent. Bad move by Duva.
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caldo2025 wrote: 14 Mar 2018, 06:54 I think that this is a big mistake by Duva. Right now is the time for Kovalev to fight Bivol. The purse would be pretty darn good I think if they jazz up the card with a second interesting matchup. But the big reason why I feel it should happen now is because Kovalev's best chance to beat Bivol is now. I felt Barrera exposed some defensive flaws in Bivol and had he more pop on his punches, maybe the fight would have been closer than the blowout it was.

Bivol didn't even like his performance against SB. Kovalev's jab and experience would make this a very good matchup right now. At this stage in Kovalev's career, there's HUGE differences in 1 years time in terms of the erosion of talent. Bad move by Duva.
i think bivol is her fighter too now? what you say makes sense assuming bivol is with a rival company, but of course if bivol is with duva as well, it makes sense to hold off the fight

if they fought now then one of her guys would be sure to lose (barring a draw). whereras keeping them apart, she can get more out of each of them, putting them toghether on hbo cards later this year and some next maybe. by that point kovalev, who is several years older then bivol, will be really getting up there. bivol will clearly have more time left in the sport, and she can then match a faded kov vs bivol, with bivol having an enhanced chance of winning and then building his name significantly on that win.

shes then gotten everything she can out of kov, and now has a new star in bivol.
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jamamb wrote: 14 Mar 2018, 07:11
caldo2025 wrote: 14 Mar 2018, 06:54 I think that this is a big mistake by Duva. Right now is the time for Kovalev to fight Bivol. The purse would be pretty darn good I think if they jazz up the card with a second interesting matchup. But the big reason why I feel it should happen now is because Kovalev's best chance to beat Bivol is now. I felt Barrera exposed some defensive flaws in Bivol and had he more pop on his punches, maybe the fight would have been closer than the blowout it was.

Bivol didn't even like his performance against SB. Kovalev's jab and experience would make this a very good matchup right now. At this stage in Kovalev's career, there's HUGE differences in 1 years time in terms of the erosion of talent. Bad move by Duva.
i think bivol is her fighter too now? what you say makes sense assuming bivol is with a rival company, but of course if bivol is with duva as well, it makes sense to hold off the fight

if they fought now then one of her guys would be sure to lose (barring a draw). whereras keeping them apart, she can get more out of each of them, putting them toghether on hbo cards later this year and some next maybe. by that point kovalev, who is several years older then bivol, will be really getting up there. bivol will clearly have more time left in the sport, and she can then match a faded kov vs bivol, with bivol having an enhanced chance of winning and then building his name significantly on that win.

shes then gotten everything she can out of kov, and now has a new star in bivol.
Nooo, Bivol's owned by Ryabynsky, isn't he? She didn't grab Bivol from him did she?
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seems hes with her now.
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Sad fact of life is that fighters come and go but the promoters go on forever.

Promoters need to do a lot more than just get their fighters the best deals. Boxing is one of the toughest sports to retire from. The dangers increase exponentially whilst the transition can become more difficult.

In some ways the real fight begins once you leave the ring. Make enough money, live on the interest and keep the rest - you've earned it the hardest way
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Kathy Duva's trying to hold on like grim death to Kovalev's star power.
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chlemba just beat wba rated caparello and he at least used to be wth duva. i can see chlemba in the mix for bivol
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jamamb wrote: 16 Mar 2018, 17:00 chlemba just beat wba rated caparello and he at least used to be wth duva. i can see chlemba in the mix for bivol
Chilemba lost 3 fights in a row and just got a win now.. another win or so should earn him a voluntary from either Bivol or Beterbiev..
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well im not sure 'earning' it for duva really requires much more then being ranked :lol:

and tbf those losses were at very high levels. i thought he beat alvarez actually.

but then again hes usually a spoiling type hard to look good against and with bivol hype just starting really it may not be a good move
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jamamb wrote: 12 Mar 2018, 21:57 i think a karo murat is far more likely then a stevenson, jack, beterbiev, etc
Well, supposedly it's Browne so...
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is it actually, ive only seen really vague rumors

browne will beat kov, brownes side should jump all over that. would be a big win for him and hes been held back from big fights to long. it was wasteful to have a talent like him still vs guys like francince ntetu
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