Suppose there would have been no....

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 20 Apr 2006, 11:23

... JACK JOHNSON. Would Sam Langford have taken the title from Tommy Burns? How long would he have kept it, and to who would he have lost it? Harry Wills, Jack Dempsey?

... JACK DEMPSEY. Who would have taken the title from Willard? Would Harry Wills have gotten his title shot?

... JOE LOUIS. Would Schmeling have gotten his title back? Or Max Baer? Who would have dominated the late 30s, the early 40s?

... ROCKY MARCIANO. Would the early 50s have been dominated by a Charles/Walcott rivalry? Or would somebody else have come through?

... MUHAMMAD ALI. How long would Sonny Liston have kept the title, and agasint who would he have lost it? Would Goerge Foreman have been the dominator of the 1970s?

... LARRY HOLMES. Who of the many 1980s contenders - Weaver, Cooney, Coetzee, Witherspooon, Dokes, Thomas - would have come out on top?

KOJOE90 · Post by **KOJOE90** » 20 Apr 2006, 11:37

pundit wrote:MUHAMMAD ALI. How long would Sonny Liston have kept the title, and agasint who would he have lost it? Would Goerge Foreman have been the dominator of the 1970s??

I think Liston would have maybe gotten a few more defences under his belt, but as good as Sonny was he was getting old by 64/65 and by all accounts was a very heavy drinker. After a few years an old, tired Liston may have got outworked by a young Frazier, Bonavena, Martin or even Ellis,

Then eventually Frazier would have taken over untill he ran into Foreman who had the ability to rule for years but may well have taken his eye off the ball and still dropped a points decision to the slippery Jimmy Young.

pundit wrote:LARRY HOLMES. Who of the many 1980s contenders - Weaver, Cooney, Coetzee, Witherspooon, Dokes, Thomas - would have come out on top?

None of the likes of Witherspoon, Weaver, Tate, Dokes etc etc had the right combination of talent or dedication to be a dominant force. If Holmes wasn't around it would have just made another belt free to pass around.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 20 Apr 2006, 15:44

Sorry - someone had to say it.

Heavyweights, heavyweights, heavyweights... What if, what if?! What if there was no Ali? What if Conn beat Louis? What if Foreman-Ali wasn't staged in Zaire? What if D'Amato didn't die? What if Lewis had bigger ears?

It does get very, very boring.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 20 Apr 2006, 15:51

DoubleM wrote:Sorry - someone had to say it.

Heavyweights, heavyweights, heavyweights... What if, what if?! What if there was no Ali? What if Conn beat Louis? What if Foreman-Ali wasn't staged in Zaire? What if D'Amato didn't die? What if Lewis had bigger ears?

It does get very, very boring.

If you don't like the thread, you should just ignore it. There are WAY too many repeat threads on this forum, but this topic seems different enough to not warrant your comment.

kick asner · Post by **kick asner** » 20 Apr 2006, 15:53

I got a bit of a laugh out of this because after reading the list on some of the heavyweight threads then you go to a thread on who are the greatest light heavyweights and they are basically the same fighters on the heavyweight list in a slightly different order minus a few.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 20 Apr 2006, 16:06

The Great John L wrote:
DoubleM wrote:Sorry - someone had to say it.

Heavyweights, heavyweights, heavyweights... What if, what if?! What if there was no Ali? What if Conn beat Louis? What if Foreman-Ali wasn't staged in Zaire? What if D'Amato didn't die? What if Lewis had bigger ears?

It does get very, very boring.
If you don't like the thread, you should just ignore it. There are WAY too many repeat threads on this forum, but this topic seems different enough to not warrant your comment.

Ahhhh shaddup.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 20 Apr 2006, 16:14

OOOPS I accidently edited some commentary......didnt like the looks of that misspelled expletive. And I got some complaints in my PM's.

I apologize to all who feel they have been unfairly censored in anyway.

I know some of this can get old for some, but there are always new people joining the forum and to them it is a brand new topic. So please just live an let live here.

We allow people to breeze past topics without comment if they are found to be irritating to you.

DoubleM · Post by **DoubleM** » 20 Apr 2006, 16:26

I apologize, for I am in a very bad mood. You will notice that normally I am quite polite 8)

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 20 Apr 2006, 19:08

DoubleM your a good contributor, I think the protesting by way of PM's was a bit thin skinned. I took a chance that you would likely not be offended by my actions. No harm done.

bigzab · Post by **bigzab** » 21 Apr 2006, 05:16

Imagine there had been no 'Nam. Now there is a scenario for the Heavyweight division.

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