Kalan wrote: ↑09 Mar 2018, 00:54
You idiots are lenient about chronic fouling and rule breaking... The best fighters in history were not chronic clinchers
You seldom see Lomachenko clinch and he tries not to give his foes precious seconds of rest by letting them clinch.
Watch the Porter-Broner fight and count the clinches... Broner was warned 83 times and finally point deducted 1 time when he should have lost 5 points for fouling... They took 5 points from Henry Armstrong, why not Broner??? Mikey Garcia didn't allow Broner to clinch a 4th as often as Porter did, because Mikey is superb at controlling distance and timing his opponents moves... He's one of the best boxers in the world and clinching is not part of his game.
How many ATG fights has Klitschko been involved in??? .... Some of his top victories (Haye/Povetkin) were panned for lack of action and marred by too much clinching and leaning, something Lewis also did a ton of.... They both were coached by Emanuel Steward who wasn't super strong on the inside game... The reason the Joshua-Klitschko fight was so great was because AJ allowed a minimal amount of clinching, meaning there was more sustained action... Is that what you guys want to see or did you enjoy Lewis-Mavrovic and Lewis-Tua?
The idea that Joshua fights like Lewis or Bruno has as much traction as a fart in a hurricane.
You're incorrect on many accounts!
Vasyl Lomachenko is a bad example because he clinched excessively in his fight against Orlando Salido. But that was out of necessity because Salido himself initiated the clinches by diving in with his head illegally. That's what Wlad usually does! Clinching out of necessity when an opponent initiates it by INITIALLY executing a foul.
Mike Garcia sucks BTW. He was exposed by a green former kickboxer in Sergey Lipinets. He arguably lost that fight on many people's scorecard.
What constitutes an 'ATG fight'? That's totally subjective! The reason why Wlad's fights aren't that great to some people is because he has been so dominant and ahead of all his opponent's in abilities for a decade during his prime that his fights don't look great and look boring because he dominates each and every opponent, including the top ones with ease and in non-competitive fashion. And competitive fights = great fights to a lot of people whilst non-competitive fights = not great to some people.
Also, Wladimir Klitschko's performance against Kubrat Pulev was far better than his performance against Anthony Joshua. That fight was a far 'greater' and a far more ENTERTAINING fight than his fight against Anthony Joshua. Against Anthony Joshua, he was 41 years old (an age when every other past heavyweight champion was either retired or losing to inferior boxers compared to Anthony Joshua) with a 2 year lay off but still almost knocked out a young, in prime Anthony Joshua. That speaks more about how poor AJ is, rather than how great that fight was. If that was prime Wladimir Klitschko in the ring against Anthony Joshua, Joshua would've lost in a non-competitive bout and it would've been another typical, non-entertaining Wladimir Klitschko bout. Joshua would've been knocked out just as bad, if not worse than Kubrat Pulev did.
Also, Wlad rarely clinched against David Haye. That's a bad example! Meanwhile, he was past his prime against Povetkin but I agree, he definitely excessively clinched in that fight
However, Wlad has won many fights cleanly against top opponents without needing to clinch much. If you think Wlad didn't clinch excessively against Joshua the first time in his career, then you simply must have not watched enough of Wlad's fights. Go back and watch his fights against Ruslan Chagaev, Chris Byrd (both fights), Eddie Chambers, Sultan Ibragimov and etc. He didn't clinch excessively in those fights, anymore than he did against AJ for the same reason. Which was because, HE DIDN't NEED TO! But this idea that AJ is stronger than Wlad is a myth. I don't agree with that. Wlad was strong enough to drop AJ with a single punch. Something AJ failed to do himself. When it comes to punching power and physical strength, there isn't any contest! Wladimir Klitschko is a level or 2 above Anthony Joshua.
Also, this idea that AJ is some poster boy for a clean boxer whilst Wladimir Klitschko and Lennox Lewis are dirty, unclean fighters and foulers is also a myth. AJ fouled Wlad multiple times during their fight. Not limited to headbutts, rabbit punches and pulling the head down.