Anthony Joshua tells Deontay Wilder to get realistic or get frozen out!

[Enlightened-One]

"Anthony Joshua tells Deontay Wilder to get realistic or get frozen out"

Joshua says he has lots of good options for fights, so if Wilder wants a shot he’ll have to rethink his negotiating tactics.

Heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua wants fellow titleholder Deontay Wilder to do less brash talking in the media and more thoughtful consideration if the two are ever going to meet inside the ring.

Joshua and his promoter Eddie Hearn have made it clear for some time now that Wilder is not going to get a 50-50 split in any potential unification fight as he’s by far the bigger draw.

“If he was serious about the fight, we’d do serious negotiation. If not, stop hooting and hollering because we’ll just freeze him out,” Joshua told the gathered media at his workout in Sheffield.

Joshua goes on to say that he has a number of good top-10 challengers he could take on in future fights, and that Wilder needs him more as fans and broadcasters have generally gotten tired of watching him take on less-than-inspiring competition.

Joshua then urges Wilder to be realistic again, saying that he needs to consider the financial landscape of their fight and understand that they have much more money to offer by making that fight in the U.K. rather than the U.S.

“If he offered me 10 times more money to fight than what I am looking at in the UK, I would go there to fight him.

”But he is coming here. We are doing the offering, he hasn’t offered us. Take it or leave it,” he added.

If a Joshua-Wilder fight doesn’t come through for the immediate future, and he beats Joseph Parker next weekend, it’s expected that Joshua will soon be handling some mandatory title defenses.

Thoughts?

[Mexi-Box]

He's in the right. Wilder on no planet deserves 50-50. Wilder can price himself out, and he'll end up rematching Duhaupus and further making his title irrelevant.

[Enlightened-One]

He's in the right. Wilder on no planet deserves 50-50. Wilder can price himself out, and he'll end up rematching Duhaupus and further making his title irrelevant.

I agree!

Joshua’s total income from the Parker bout, including promotional revenue, is said to be in the region of $20m (the same amount he earned facing Klitschko & Takam).

‘The Bronze Bomber’ (who’s average earnings are less than $1.4m per fight) has previously received the following paydays:

• Gerald Washington = $900K
• Chris Arreola = $1.4m
• Artur Szpilka = $1.5m
• Johann Duhaupas = $1.4m
• Eric Molina = $1.4m
• Bermane Stiverne I = $1m
• Bermane Stiverne II = $1.4m
• Luis Ortiz = $2.1m

Deontay Wilder refused Eddie Hearn’s $4m offer to face Dillian Whyte, demanding $7m instead. However, ‘The Bronze Bomber’ then ended up taking the Luis Ortiz bout for a paltry $2.1m. Prior to that, Wilder’s career-high purse was only $1.5m.

Deontay Wilder typically earns $1.4m per fight, but suddenly he's demanding an average of $20m per fight to face AJ (in a two-bout deal). Where is all that extra money going to come from?

[Ruthless-RKO]

He's already said he'd accept 60-40 in favour of Joshua..

[Badhusker]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

[Mexi-Box]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

Did he say that recently? His head has been bloated with his win over old, fatman Ortiz.

[punchoutsb]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

Can he sell the tickets in Alabama that AJ can in the UK? That's what decides purses, not who holds a bauble.

I just want this fight to happen; I don't care who gets paid what.

[Kalan]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

Hearn said they would accept that deal.... They want to see a formal offer which ISN'T coming.... Wilder and his people know there's a very good chance Deontay would lose and Haymon... DiBella... etc. AREN'T going to offer any deal like that.

[Badhusker]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

Can he sell the tickets in Alabama that AJ can in the UK? That's what decides purses, not who holds a bauble.

I just want this fight to happen; I don't care who gets paid what.

I think in the first fight absolutely Joshua deserves the lions share. IF Wilder beats him though, Wilder will hold the cards. At that point the holder of all the belts will get the big purse, regardless of how popular they are in their country.

[Badhusker]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

Hearn said they would accept that deal.... They want to see a formal offer which ISN'T coming.... Wilder and his people know there's a very good chance Deontay would lose and Haymon... DiBella... etc. AREN'T going to offer any deal like that.

Are you kidding me? Lmao Hearn recently said they will make the offers, not Wilder or his team, and they would freeze him out if not accepted. Hearn is a lying sack of short, and a proven liar. Want a couple of examples let me know.

[KiwiRider]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

Can he sell the tickets in Alabama that AJ can in the UK? That's what decides purses, not who holds a bauble.

I just want this fight to happen; I don't care who gets paid what.

I think in the first fight absolutely Joshua deserves the lions share. IF Wilder beats him though, Wilder will hold the cards. At that point the holder of all the belts will get the big purse, regardless of how popular they are in their country.

That's pretty much the rematch deal Parker has as far as money goes, but he dosent have a rematch clause if he loses, I bet Wilder will want one.

[ewenhay]

I think Joshua would be better served focusing on his next fight rather than telling other fighters he is going to freeze them out.

It's not the words you'd expect from a champion who wants to be undisputed . Golovkin doesn't talk about freezing Saunders out. It's Mayweather type talk and we could do without it.

[Deleted_Scenes]

Wilder has also said he would agree to a lesser cut as long as if he wins, Joshua accepts the same lesser amount for a rematch.

In other words, Hearn's bullshit about Wilder demanding 50-50 is all about setting up an excuse for not fighting Wilder next.

Hearn said they would accept that deal.... They want to see a formal offer which ISN'T coming.... Wilder and his people know there's a very good chance Deontay would lose and Haymon... DiBella... etc. AREN'T going to offer any deal like that.

Are you kidding me? Lmao Hearn recently said they will make the offers, not Wilder or his team, and they would freeze him out if not accepted. Hearn is a lying sack of short, and a proven liar. Want a couple of examples let me know.

Hearn has said all along nothing formal will get discussed before the Parker fight is out of the way.

That's how it should be imo.

Everything else is sound bites for the media. One side slags off the other, the other retaliates... It builds hype. It gets us talking and saying things like "Hearn is a liar!", "Wilder's pricing himself out!" etc.

They know what they're doing. We're SUPPOSED to be arguing about who's in the right.

The real talking will start after Joshua gets past Parker... As has been said since the beginning. And guess what - the real details will all be ironed out in private.

[paddy chavez]

In life in general what the other guy gets shouldn't matter really would Wilder take 5million each most likely but not 20 to AJ and 7 to Wilder even though it's 2 million more .
I've seen it at work when guys have been happy on say £150 a day then find out someone else is getting £180 and then isn't happy .

[Enlightened-One]

He's already said he'd accept 60-40 in favour of Joshua..

Wilder is only willing to accept 40% - as long as Joshua gets the same in the rematch.

Over two fights, that an average 50% split, which is precisely what I explained.

It's a clever ploy to persuade fight fans that he's willing to compromise, whilst concealing the fact that he's still managing to get his own way (in terms of being paid a 50-50 split).

Win or lose, AJ is the financial draw here. People aren't paying to watch Wilder fight.

[Ruthless-RKO]

He's already said he'd accept 60-40 in favour of Joshua..

Wilder is only willing to accept 40% - as long as Joshua gets the same in the rematch.

Over two fights, that an average 50% split, which is precisely what I explained.

It's a clever ploy to persuade fight fans that he's willing to compromise, whilst concealing the fact that he's still managing to get his own way (in terms of being paid a 50-50 split).

Win or lose, AJ is the financial draw here. People aren't paying to watch Wilder fight.

But then same applies for Parker. If he wins, then in a rematch he's getting 55%.. overall thats an average just less that 50%..

[Enlightened-One]

He's already said he'd accept 60-40 in favour of Joshua..

Wilder is only willing to accept 40% - as long as Joshua gets the same in the rematch.

Over two fights, that an average 50% split, which is precisely what I explained.

It's a clever ploy to persuade fight fans that he's willing to compromise, whilst concealing the fact that he's still managing to get his own way (in terms of being paid a 50-50 split).

Win or lose, AJ is the financial draw here. People aren't paying to watch Wilder fight.

But then same applies for Parker. If he wins, then in a rematch he's getting 55%.. overall thats an average just less that 50%..

Parker is being paid less than a 35% split for the first fight, which has already been confirmed by the Kiwi's own camp (wth the actual figure being closer to 30% based on various media estimates).

[greg]

..although the pure numbers are on the Joshua's side, I tend to believe that if Parker is being paid 35% split, Wilder deserves more than that considering his last TKO win..Joshua's stance seems to be somewhat disappointing and fans-unfriendly..

[Enlightened-One]

..although the pure numbers are on the Joshua's side, I tend to believe that if Parker is being paid 35% split, Wilder deserves more than that considering his last TKO win..Joshua's stance seems to be somewhat disappointing and fans-unfriendly..

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Joseph Parker is definitely being paid less than 35%. His own team have actually confirmed this. The media’s estimates of the expected purses suggest that the Kiwi is only receiving closer to 30%.

Personally-speaking though, fighters should be paid their commercial worth and (excluding the Luis Ortiz bout), Joseph Parker has been commanding similar sums to those earned by Deontay Wilder.

When (or if) we see a bout between Joshua & Wilder, the vast majority of the revenue being generated for that fight, will be due to the Brit’s fan base.

There isn’t any sporting or commercial justification for anyone to honestly lay claim that Deontay Wilder deserves an equal share of the purse pot (or even a figure that is anywhere near 50%).

You criticise Anthony Joshua’s “fan-unfriendly” stance, but why do you believe that Deontay Wilder deserves to earn a payday that is almost fifteen times more than his typical purse figure?

In my mind, if Deontay Wilder won’t budge on his demand for a 50-50 split to engage in either a one-off (or a two-bout) deal to face AJ, then the Brit should move on with his career. Eddie Hearn will eventually find someone from his stable to take ‘The Bronze Bomber’s’ WBC title.

It’s not the first time we’ve seen fighters prefer to price themselves out of a fight they didn’t really want in the first place, as a ploy to avoid tarnishing their own reputation by saying no.

[Badhusker]

I guess its not like either guy have Floyd or Manny type world wide PPV numbers to use to negotiate. Manny turned down $40 million which was by far more than he had ever made, and ended up smart by doing so.

If Wilder is willing to accept 40% now, and demands a bigger cut for the rematch ok, but that is ONLY if he wins. He has to win to get a bigger cut. AJ right now is the A side, so we will have to wait to see how it all shakes out. He has to beat Parker for his A side status to remain, plus he will have a rematch.

Like I said earlier, Hearn is setting this up so AJ can take on someone other than Wilder his next fight, so he can fight someone other than Wilder in the US before the big fight happens.

[greg]

..although I can relate to a purely business rationale, Wilder after his win over Ortiz has legitimised himself as a WBC belt-holder which entitles him to a fair share of the split...the question is how much...barring Povetkin, like it or not Wilder is the top 3 guy..I would assume the majority of the fans worldwide having a choice would rather see Joshua vs Wilder instead of Parker and Co...at this point of his career, I'd give Wilder the benefit of the doubt and would not claim he's been trying to price himself out demanding too much ...

[Enlightened-One]

..although I can relate to a purely business rationale, Wilder after his win over Ortiz has legitimised himself as a WBC belt-holder which entitles him to a fair share of the split...the question is how much...barring Povetkin, like it or not Wilder is the top 3 guy..I would assume the majority of the fans worldwide having a choice would rather see Joshua vs Wilder instead of Parker and Co...at this point of his career, I'd give Wilder the benefit of the doubt and would not claim he's been trying to price himself out demanding too much ...

Do you feel that GGG should agree to a 50-50 purse split to face Billy Joe Saunders, since the circumstances are almost identical to the Joshua-Wilder situation?

Immediately after his victory over Manny Pacquiao, should Floyd Mayweather Jr. have offered Kell Brook a 50-50 purse split to unify all four major 147lbs titles?

[greg]

..although I can relate to a purely business rationale, Wilder after his win over Ortiz has legitimised himself as a WBC belt-holder which entitles him to a fair share of the split...the question is how much...barring Povetkin, like it or not Wilder is the top 3 guy..I would assume the majority of the fans worldwide having a choice would rather see Joshua vs Wilder instead of Parker and Co...at this point of his career, I'd give Wilder the benefit of the doubt and would not claim he's been trying to price himself out demanding too much ...

Do you feel that GGG should agree to a 50-50 purse split to face Billy Joe Saunders, since the circumstances are almost identical to the Joshua-Wilder situation?

Immediately after his victory over Manny Pacquiao, should Floyd Mayweather Jr. have offered Kell Brook a 50-50 purse split to unify all four major 147lbs titles?

..not sure the circumstances are identical, GGG has been in this business somewhat longer, Floyd being a special case defying common sense and logic anyway ...the only AJ's big win was against aging and over-the-hill Klitschko which got him a couple of belts..to keep it short, no problem with a 60-40 purse split to face Saunders..isn't that what Wilder agrees to? 40-60?

[Enlightened-One]

..although I can relate to a purely business rationale, Wilder after his win over Ortiz has legitimised himself as a WBC belt-holder which entitles him to a fair share of the split...the question is how much...barring Povetkin, like it or not Wilder is the top 3 guy..I would assume the majority of the fans worldwide having a choice would rather see Joshua vs Wilder instead of Parker and Co...at this point of his career, I'd give Wilder the benefit of the doubt and would not claim he's been trying to price himself out demanding too much ...

Do you feel that GGG should agree to a 50-50 purse split to face Billy Joe Saunders, since the circumstances are almost identical to the Joshua-Wilder situation?

Immediately after his victory over Manny Pacquiao, should Floyd Mayweather Jr. have offered Kell Brook a 50-50 purse split to unify all four major 147lbs titles?

..not sure the circumstances are identical, GGG has been in this business somewhat longer, Floyd being a special case defying common sense and logic anyway ...the only AJ's big win was against aging and over-the-hill Klitschko which got him a couple of belts..to keep it short, no problem with a 60-40 purse split to face Saunders..isn't that what Wilder agrees to? 40-60?

Wilder is asking for either a 50-50 purse split for a one-off bout or he's willing to accept what equates to being a 50-50 split to include a rematch clause (covering a two bout deal).

Either way, he's asking for an equal share, regardless as to however he's articulated his demands to the media.

[greg]

Wilder is asking for either a 50-50 purse split for a one-off bout or he's willing to accept what equates to being a 50-50 split to include a rematch clause (covering a two bout deal).

Either way, he's asking for an equal share, regardless as to however he's articulated his demands to the media.

...Wilder (..and I'm NOT his fan) being a lot bigger attraction than Parker, no way should Wilder agree to the same purse split as Parker, Wilder's currently a legit WBC belt-holder and should be treated as such...for the sake of their respective fans, both parties should be prepared to make compromises..and 40-60 purse split seems like a reasonable albeit not perfect deal imo..hopefully, both boxers will agree to it..