Who wins, Tom Schwarz vs Senad Gashi

[asdfjkl]

Very exiting match in Germany, who's going to win this?
21 april we are most likely going to get the answer.

Both are undefeated, one of them still has a 100% KO rating, with 16 wins with 16 KO's and the other has 20 wins.

One of them is aged 23, the other one 27.

I can't wait for this match.

[oogiebe]

Schwarz is a comer.

[Lackeos]

I expect Schwarz to win, but this is a pretty respectable step up for the young prospect. I had not realized before looking-up Senad that he is ranked #75 on boxrec, and previously had an even higher rating (would have been ranked #31) before getting hit with the poor opposition penalty.

[jamamb]

senad is a 6 foot tall can crusher

only 3 of his opponents have winning records and they all suck. omg he beat the amazing davit gorgiladze!! a guy whose been kod 9 of the 10 times he faced opponents with winning records!

and try actually watching him, hes not impressive at all, just yet another can crusher who will get beaten up as soon as he goes off his diet of cans

the idea that gashi has somehow earned credibility is very humorous. im sure after losing this hell be back for an epic 3rd fight with 2-36 (33) milos davadin

[jamamb]

conversation:

"hey man, did you see scwarz beat senad gashi? what a great win!"

"was it really a good win? who had gashi beaten?"

"um, um, lets not mention that."

"why? surely if it was such a good win gashi would have some decent scalps to his name"

"well about that....."

"so hes beaten no one and is just a 6 foot tall can crusher. only 3 opponents had winning records and all of them were awful? he continually fights ppl like 2-36 (33) milos dovedan?"

"BUT HES RANKED IN BOXRECS TOP 100, OMG, THEREFORE GREAT WIN!!!"

[asdfjkl]

Well, they are obviously not the best of the best, but it's probably the closest match of all the heavyweight fights in april. One 0 has to go. It's like an AJ vs Whyte fight at the time.

[jamamb]

senad has an 0 but in realty hes proven almost nothng and imo he seems pretty poor. just another short padded record guy for schwarz to fght.

[asdfjkl]

senad has an 0 but in realty hes proven almost nothng and imo he seems pretty poor. just another short padded record guy for schwarz to fght.

Well, he's clearly better as Damon McCreary for example when he lost his 0. Especially if you look at the details, like the dates and weights of his previous fights.

[punchoutsb]

senad has an 0 but in realty hes proven almost nothng and imo he seems pretty poor. just another short padded record guy for schwarz to fght.

To be fair, everyone is unproven until they prove themselves. Fights like this are where fighters get to prove themselves, aside from tough journeymen. I've only seen Gashi twice and he looked good in both although one opponent was 50 years old and the other was terrible. I'll take Schwarz in this one but since Gashi's resume is so poor we really don't know much about him one way or the other.

[jamamb]

he looks poor even at a low level to me and hes tiny for hw. id think any decent hw would beat him easy

[Lackeos]

conversation:

"hey man, did you see scwarz beat senad gashi? what a great win!"

"was it really a good win? who had gashi beaten?"

"um, um, lets not mention that."

"why? surely if it was such a good win gashi would have some decent scalps to his name"

"well about that....."

"so hes beaten no one and is just a 6 foot tall can crusher. only 3 opponents had winning records and all of them were awful? he continually fights ppl like 2-36 (33) milos dovedan?"

"BUT HES RANKED IN BOXRECS TOP 100, OMG, THEREFORE GREAT WIN!!!"

I just realized that even though you posted dozens of times in the HW prospect thread, you were too cowardly to state your own picks. You gave Ajagba and Hrgovic some lukewarm praise, and no one else. Please state at least 6 HW prospects that you believe will do well so that I can attack their caliber of opposition.

[jamamb]

its not really that issue , the issue is the boxrec worship

you wont see me acting like ajaga beating some can crusher or hrgovic beating tom little (tl still has more credible wins then gashi though) is a huge deal, but to me they both look like top level prospects and have olympian amateur credentials, so i have an eye on them

tom scwarz is a respectable fighter for sure but beating this guy isnt really an impressive win at all. gashi is tiny and has beaten awful opponents and lookrd poor , and to act like hes crediible because somehow hes in boxrecs top 100 is laughable. hes beaten no one even remotely decent. the awful davit gorgladze is one of his top opponents.

stop worshipping the computer

[Lackeos]

its not really that issue , the issue is the boxrec worship

you wont see me acting like ajaga beating some can crusher or hrgovic beating tom little (tl still has more credible wins then gashi though) is a huge deal, but to me they both look like top level prospects and have olympian amateur credentials, so i have an eye on them

tom scwarz is a respectable fighter for sure but beating this guy isnt really an impressive win at all. gashi is tiny and has beaten awful opponents and lookrd poor , and to act like hes crediible because somehow hes in boxrecs top 100 is laughable. hes beaten no one even remotely decent. the awful davit gorgladze is one of his top opponents.

stop worshipping the computer

Name 6 heavyweight prospects. We'll take a look at who they've fought. Don't be such a coward that your picks have to be kept in the dark. In order to keep perspective on what is a typical standard of opposition for heavyweight prospects, name 6 picks. Don't be a coward. Name them. Don't merely attack other peoples' picks, name yours. Don't just attack the opposition of other peoples' picks; make it public the opposition of your picks.

[asdfjkl]

For some odd reason I now hope that Gashi wins in an absolutely dominating fashion. Not that I expect him to, but I'm just curious about jamamb his reaction.

[jamamb]

filip hrgovic
petar milas
danny dubois
nathan gorman
joe joyce
jermaine franklin
junior fa
simon keane
mladen mijas
michal cieslak

just some prospects who havent been 100 percent can crushing to the extent gashi has. srsly! davit gorgiladze is prob a top 2 opponent for him. his last opponent was 2-12 and hes twice fought a 2-36 (33) guy. and hes 6 feet and rather not good

im just being realistic,boxrec ranking or not beating him isnt significant for schwarzs standing. schwarz is a solid prospect but this is a cherry picked opponent to add a superficially 'pretty' win to his ledger. its no real step up on lewandowski types he beat 2 years ago really.

[jamamb]

For some odd reason I now hope that Gashi wins in an absolutely dominating fashion. Not that I expect him to, but I'm just curious about jamamb his reaction.

and ill be very surprised if gasi wins, most likely the fight will just highlight that he was cherry picked to add a pretty looking record to schwarsz win colum

guys like this, nebo, lewandowski are easier fights then actually tested 29-13 journeyman ivica bacurnin, who gave schwarz some difficult times, but no one gets excited about that type of fight because 29-13 doesnt look so pretty

[Lackeos]

filip hrgovic
petar milas
danny dubois
nathan gorman
joe joyce
jermaine franklin
junior fa
simon keane
mladen mijas
michal cieslak

just some prospects who havent been 100 percent can crushing to the extent gashi has. srsly! davit gorgiladze is prob a top 2 opponent for him. his last opponent was 2-12 and hes twice fought a 2-36 (33) guy. and hes 6 feet and rather not good

im just being realistic,boxrec ranking or not beating him isnt significant for schwarzs standing. schwarz is a solid prospect but this is a cherry picked opponent to add a superficially 'pretty' win to his ledger. its no real step up on lewandowski types he beat 2 years ago really.

Gashi isn't the prospect, you dolt! Schwarz is the prospect, Gashi is the opponent. We aren't comparing Gashi to your prospects. We are comparing Gashi to your prospects' opponents. So, as we proceed, do not forget this point: Gashi is THE OPPONENT, and we are comparing him to your prospects' OPPONENTS, not to the prospects themselves. In other words, we are comparing Schwarz's opponents (Gashi) to your prospects' opponents.

So let's see... Joe Joyce's latest opponent was Donnie Palmer. Who has he beat? Palmer's wins are pathetic compared to Gashi's wins.
Jermaine Franklin's last opponent was Ed Fountain. Who has he beat? Fountain's wins are pathetic compared to Gashi's wins.
Junior Fa's last opponent was Craig Lewis. Who has he beat? Lewis's wins are pathetic compared to Gashi's wins.
Simon Kean's last opponent was Alexis Santos. Who has he beat? Santos's wins are pathetic compared to Gashi's wins.
Michal Cieslak's last opponent was Ivica Bacurin. Who has he beat? He has one decent cruiserweight win against Geoffrey Battelo back in 2012, but that is offset by many losses. Not to mention that Battelo is likely not even a suitable name by your standards.
Gorman's last opponent was Morgan Dessaux -- too easy. His best opponent was Soltby. Who did Soltby beat?
Dubois's last opponent was DL Jones. Who has he beat? Also, it's odd that Dubois is on your list despite how many times you've slagged him off as a prospect. This whole exercise was worth it just for that.
Mladen Miljas's last opponent was Dillon Carman. Who has he beat? Do you consider Eric Martel Bahoeli a name?

At any rate, I don't believe you have perspective of what is a good win for a heavyweight prospect at this stage. You expect a heavyweight prospect to be beating opponents who beat opponents who you consider to have good name value. You want Prospect A to beat Opponent B who beat Name Fighter C, and you probably don't tolerate Name Fighter C being any lower than top 60. Like Name Fighter C could be Joey Dawejko -- that's about the standard you expect. So, okay, Charles Martin beat him, so Charles Martin would make a good Opponent B. So, in your view, Anthony Joshua would be a good Prospect A, because he beat an Opponent B (Charles Martin), who beat some Name Fighter C (Joey Dawejko), who barely meets your standard. Or Alex Leapai might make an acceptable Name Fighter C for you, so Opponent B could be Manuel Charr, and Prospect A could be Vitali Klitschko. This is an unrealistic standard for a prospect. It's fine for a prospect to get a good win over a decent fighter you may or may not have heard of who has decent wins over decent fighters who you haven't heard of. A win over an opponent with a boxrec rating of 31 is good for a 23-year-old hevayweight prospect. If we waited a few years and then compiled a list of all the times these prospects notched a win against an opponent with a 30+ rating before they turned 24; the only ones who would have any such wins would be Schwarz, Gorman, and Dubois.

This is all aside from the fact that you are holding 23-year-old prospects to the same standard as 29-year-old and 32-year-old "prospects" (a.k.a. completely in-prime adults who haven't accomplished anything).

[jamamb]

first of all, gashi has beaten no one, so lolz at you going on about how his wins are way better. his opponents suck, none even as good as guys like carmen or fountain. and btw bacurnin gave schrwaz a hard fight, only lost sd to pianeta, beat briedis in a tournament, gave pianeta hard fight etc, all way better then anything can crusher gashi did

but you were missing the point anyway, im not really bashing tom schwarz here, just pointing out the reality that its not really much of an interesting or step up match at all. i , unlike some others, can actually see past a hugely padded record to what it really is, hence why i can see why guys like bacurnin are tougher then guys like nebo , lewandowski, etc

gashi is a 6 foot can crusher brought in for schwarz to easily beat. schwarz beating gashi really doesnt boost his stock at all past what it is. hes already done the unbeaten but untested prospect opponent years ago. he already beat guys with wins comparable or better to gashis. gashi has absolutely 0 results that make him a stock raising opponent

omg he beat davit gogaladze!!!

[punchoutsb]

I don't think they are trying to raise his stock, he's already ranked number 5 thanks his Intercontinental title--this is a defense of that title so at worst (provided he wins I mean) he remains number 5. Sadly that's the business of boxing today, why risk fighting a tough opponent when you can stay busy and wait out a title shot? At 23, he's got time on his side and virtually every fight can be a huge learning experience for him regardless of opponent.

Edited to add: I also don't know how the intercontinentals and various other trinkets work; do fighters pick their own defenses or are they selected by the ranking org?

[Lackeos]

first of all, gashi has beaten no one, so lolz at you going on about how his wins are way better. his opponents suck, none even as good as guys like carmen or fountain. and btw bacurnin gave schrwaz a hard fight, only lost sd to pianeta, beat briedis in a tournament, gave pianeta hard fight etc, all way better then anything can crusher gashi did

but you were missing the point anyway, im not really bashing tom schwarz here, just pointing out the reality that its not really much of an interesting or step up match at all. i , unlike some others, can actually see past a hugely padded record to what it really is, hence why i can see why guys like bacurnin are tougher then guys like nebo , lewandowski, etc

gashi is a 6 foot can crusher brought in for schwarz to easily beat. schwarz beating gashi really doesnt boost his stock at all past what it is. hes already done the unbeaten but untested prospect opponent years ago. he already beat guys with wins comparable or better to gashis. gashi has absolutely 0 results that make him a stock raising opponent

omg he beat davit gogaladze!!!

omg, Ed Fountain beat Charles Ellis!!!
omg, Craig Lewis beat Tim Washington!!!
omg, Alexis Santos beat Daniel Martz!!!
omg, Ivica Bacurin beat Geoffrey Battelo!!!
omg, Mohamed Soltby beat Andras Csomor!!!
omg, DL Jones beat Paul Butlin!!!

[jamamb]

actually thats all better then beating davit gogaldze, who has been kod by 9 of his 10 opponents who have winning records

bacurnin also beat briedis, lost close to jc gomez, pianeta, and schwarz

ed fountain also had a draw after 6 vs cojanu and was very close vs lenroy thomas

gashi hasnt beaten anyone better then these guys have really or had good showings in draws or defeats. schwarz has been there already vs the likes of nebo and lewandowski. the legit tested good journeyman bacurnin unsurprisingly gave him his toughest fight by far, not the inflated pretty record guys. be more critical of padded records

[Kalan]

Remember when Tommy Morrison came up.... In my view he was terrible -- a disaster looking for a place to happen.

Schwarz is almost as bad... Beating this guy won't change that and he'll never make it.

[punchoutsb]

Remember when Tommy Morrison came up.... In my view he was terrible -- a disaster looking for a place to happen.

Schwarz is almost as bad... Beating this guy won't change that and he'll never make it.

It's really amazing how consistently terrible a poster you are. I applaud your consistency

[Kalan]

You have zero judgment.... And I pass over your shitt posts and don't comment because you're so ignorant

[jamamb]

schwarz seems so far to me similar to dimitrenko