Who has the best Ring intelligence in boxing history?

[Caractacus]

so why do you think ,that why didn't Too Tall Jones have Archie Moore train him after this fight ?
It was around this time Archie Moore was hired to train "the Fightin' Cowboy,James "Qiuck" Tillis.
Archie Moore also trained that 7 ft 4 inch former Basketball Player Thomas Payne in the early 1980's.

[Kalan]

Too Tall's handlers were controlling things... Around this time Too Tall Jones was getting very frustrated with the lack of fights and level of competition... He wanted to fight once a week like you play Football, but he wasn't getting the the fights.

He got 3 fights in his first 3 week and then longer and longer between fights and worse and worse opponents... It sucked to beat Hell... He said the worse people he met in his life were in the boxing game.

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Too Tall's handlers were controlling things... Around this time Too Tall Jones was getting very frustrated with the lack of fights and level of competition... He wanted to fight once a week like you play Football, but he wasn't getting the the fights.

He got 3 fights in his first 3 week and then longer and longer between fights and worse and worse opponents... It sucked to beat Hell... He said the worse people he met in his life were in the boxing game.

You only have to watch him to see he wasn’t going anywhere, that’s why he quit before he was flattened by someone half decent.

[Kalan]

Too Tall was undefeated at 6-0...

He was blackballed out of the sport and couldn't get appropriate opponents, but he did far better than most boxers... In his last fight they put Too Tall in with a punching bag who wouldn't last a round with Eric Molina... It was clear that the Boxing Establishment wasnt going to let Too Tall fight anybody with a name or gain the prestige he needed to get ranked.

One of Too Tall's opponents beat a guy who challenged Joe Frazier for the Heavyweight Championship... The opponent's name was Fernando Montes and he had a winning record in 31 professional fights... Only 3 weeks into his boxing career Too Tall smashed Montes out cold in 41 seconds... That was a mistake... He couldn't get a decent fight after that.

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One of Too Tall's opponents beat a guy who challenged Joe Frazier for the Heavyweight Championship...

Blimey I've heard of scrapping the barrel hahaha. What you fail to mention is how bad Ramos was even in his prime, I dread to think how bad he was at the end of his career (when he lost by DQ to Montes) as he lost almost every fight he had.

[Flump]

Too Tall was undefeated at 6-0...

He was blackballed out of the sport and couldn't get appropriate opponents, but he did far better than most boxers... In his last fight they put Too Tall in with a punching bag who wouldn't last a round with Eric Molina... It was clear that the Boxing Establishment wasnt going to let Too Tall fight anybody with a name or gain the prestige he needed to get ranked.

One of Too Tall's opponents beat a guy who challenged Joe Frazier for the Heavyweight Championship... The opponent's name was Fernando Montes and he had a winning record in 31 professional fights... Only 3 weeks into his boxing career Too Tall smashed Montes out cold in 41 seconds... That was a mistake... He couldn't get a decent fight after that.

It's quite clear from the film that Too Tall was on his way to the title. Holmes was pretty good, but I can't see him dealing with someone as well balanced and co-ordinated as Too Tall. I mean would Mike Weaver have got this Montes chap, who had a big DQ win over near prime Manuel Ramos, out in 41 seconds? No. #uncrownedchamp

[Kalan]

Your sarcasm leaves me cold...

That was only 3 WEEKS into Too Tall's Boxing career.... How much can anyone learn in 3 weeks and 3 fights??? Not a whole lot---but he got Montes knocked cold in 41 seconds which is faster than any contenders got him out...

It was obvious at that point that Too Tall had the potential to get 10 X better if he could line up Archie Moore and other top trainers who wanted to work with him... and they could show Too Tall how to use his height, weight, reach, size and punching power in ways that the greatest athlete can't just figure out for himself because he has no experience.

Enough of that.... They started putting the kabash on Too Tall and blackballing him out of the business.

[oogiebe]

One of Too Tall's opponents beat a guy who challenged Joe Frazier for the Heavyweight Championship...

Blimey I've heard of scrapping the barrel hahaha. What you fail to mention is how bad Ramos was even in his prime, I dread to think how bad he was at the end of his career (when he lost by DQ to Montes) as he lost almost every fight he had.

LOL! I saw the Too Tall's debut. It was like watching a football player trying to be a boxer...um...er...oh yeah...it was...! He almost got KO's.

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Oh no, not Ed 'Too S**t' Jones again!

The only 'professional' boxer I ever saw that moved like a Thunderbirds puppet!

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Oh no, not Ed 'Too S**t' Jones again!

The only 'professional' boxer I ever saw that moved like a Thunderbirds puppet!

How did Jones get mentioned in Ring Intelligence anyway? "thunderbirds puppet" LMAO! I can see the strings and the hands!

[BitPlayer]

How did Jones get mentioned in Ring Intelligence anyway?

Because Kalan

I created a monster

[oogiebe]

How did Jones get mentioned in Ring Intelligence anyway?

Because Kalan

I created a monster

OMG!!! I should have known.

[oogiebe]

One of Too Tall's opponents beat a guy who challenged Joe Frazier for the Heavyweight Championship...

Blimey I've heard of scrapping the barrel hahaha. What you fail to mention is how bad Ramos was even in his prime, I dread to think how bad he was at the end of his career (when he lost by DQ to Montes) as he lost almost every fight he had.

I once rode an elevator with a friend of Peter Frampton's nephew...It's just as good!

[Flump]

Your sarcasm leaves me cold...

That was only 3 WEEKS into Too Tall's Boxing career.... How much can anyone learn in 3 weeks and 3 fights??? Not a whole lot---but he got Montes knocked cold in 41 seconds which is faster than any contenders got him out...

It was obvious at that point that Too Tall had the potential to get 10 X better if he could line up Archie Moore and other top trainers who wanted to work with him... and they could show Too Tall how to use his height, weight, reach, size and punching power in ways that the greatest athlete can't just figure out for himself because he has no experience.

Enough of that.... They started putting the kabash on Too Tall and blackballing him out of the business.

And why would they blackball him? And who was 'they'? Given that he would I imagine have sold tickets being a star already.

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Oh no, not Ed 'Too S**t' Jones again!

The only 'professional' boxer I ever saw that moved like a Thunderbirds puppet!

How did Jones get mentioned in Ring Intelligence anyway? "thunderbirds puppet" LMAO! I can see the strings and the hands!

Wilt Chamberlain & "Too S**t" Jones are like buses, they always come in pairs!

Someone just has to mention Chamberlain, then we'll get the repeat (x323) story of Ali V Chamberlain, then we'll get the Jones saga for the 293rd time too.

It's just par for the course on this forum since circa 2016.

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Oh no, not Ed 'Too S**t' Jones again!

The only 'professional' boxer I ever saw that moved like a Thunderbirds puppet!

How did Jones get mentioned in Ring Intelligence anyway? "thunderbirds puppet" LMAO! I can see the strings and the hands!

Wilt Chamberlain & "Too S**t" Jones are like buses, they always come in pairs!

Someone just has to mention Chamberlain, then we'll get the repeat (x323) story of Ali V Chamberlain, then we'll get the Jones saga for the 293rd time too.

It's just par for the course on this forum since circa 2016.

LOL! Wonderful...*sigh*

[Kalan]

Your sarcasm leaves me cold...

That was only 3 WEEKS into Too Tall's Boxing career.... How much can anyone learn in 3 weeks and 3 fights??? Not a whole lot---but he got Montes knocked cold in 41 seconds which is faster than any contenders got him out...

It was obvious at that point that Too Tall had the potential to get 10 X better if he could line up Archie Moore and other top trainers who wanted to work with him... and they could show Too Tall how to use his height, weight, reach, size and punching power in ways that the greatest athlete can't just figure out for himself because he has no experience.

Enough of that.... They started putting the kabash on Too Tall and blackballing him out of the business.

And why would they blackball him? And who was 'they'? Given that he would I imagine have sold tickets being a star already.

People who have interests in Heavyweight Contenders and don't want them embarrassed by an upstart Football player... Larry Holmes said... "If Too Tall Jones becomes really good.. If he really gets down and bones up his skills, he's going to have trouble getting any contenders to fight him... It's too damned tough to fight somebody that big and tall with that kind of speed, range, and power... There're too many other guys you can fight."

When Too Tall Jones announced he was becoming a professional boxer that was one of the reservations about his success that a lot of people had... Boxing is a free lance sport to a very large degree... Unless you're a World Champion you get to pick and choose who you'll fight and who you won't fight.. Some World Champions even seem to have this ability... His list of possible opponents was broad for his 1st fight... After the Montes fight it dried up quickly.

[Controversial]

Fortunately we have newspaper articles, and video footage, of Jones that both show he was very poor, laughable in fact.

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Fortunately we have newspaper articles, and video footage, of Jones that both show he was very poor, laughable in fact.

That's right.

If he'd have stuck around longer, Gerry Anderson would have given him his own show.

[Kalan]

Fortunately we have newspaper articles, and video footage, of Jones that both show he was very poor, laughable in fact.

Oh bullshitt... Nothing laughable about getting a nationally televised fight when you're only 3-0.... fighting a 248-pound Heavyweight who has more experience -- and knocking the man out in 2 rounds... Jones had renowned Boxing trainer and commentator Gil Clancy and ATG fighter Archie Moore both making compliments on his improvement as a boxer. The ATG fighter Archie Moore told a nation wide TV audience he wanted to train Too Tall Jones... Doesn't sound like nobody was interested in a boxing talent like Too Tall.

And you can't argue with a perfect record of 6-0... Unfortunately after he fought Fernando Montes in his 3rd fight in 3 weeks (Montes had a winning record with 31 fights of experience against some top names) he could no longer get appropriate opponents who could give him rounds... Too Tall NEEDED opponents who had 30, 40 or 50 fights so he could learn how to box right away... He was 28... He needed to learn in 1 or 2 years what most guys learn in 10 or 12 years.

After searching for over a month for a 6th opponent Too Tall fought a guy making his pro debut... A guy who didn't make a good punching bag and couldn't throw a single punch in the few seconds that the fight lasted... Too Tall was really angry because he was told the guy had an amateur background... The opponent was there for a check and the fight made no sense... You don't go backwards in your 6th fight... They just wanted to ruin Too Tall's career..

They couldn't find another opponent for him and that was it... He trained hard for what???. They told him nobody was interested in fighting him because he's too big and strong... When that happens you need money men... You need to offer opponents so much money it would be stupid to turn down the fight... But that can backfire too... The opponent can go down from the 1st punch and take the count.. You still have to pay him.

[Flump]

Your sarcasm leaves me cold...

That was only 3 WEEKS into Too Tall's Boxing career.... How much can anyone learn in 3 weeks and 3 fights??? Not a whole lot---but he got Montes knocked cold in 41 seconds which is faster than any contenders got him out...

It was obvious at that point that Too Tall had the potential to get 10 X better if he could line up Archie Moore and other top trainers who wanted to work with him... and they could show Too Tall how to use his height, weight, reach, size and punching power in ways that the greatest athlete can't just figure out for himself because he has no experience.

Enough of that.... They started putting the kabash on Too Tall and blackballing him out of the business.

And why would they blackball him? And who was 'they'? Given that he would I imagine have sold tickets being a star already.

People who have interests in Heavyweight Contenders and don't want them embarrassed by an upstart Football player... Larry Holmes said... "If Too Tall Jones becomes really good.. If he really gets down and bones up his skills, he's going to have trouble getting any contenders to fight him... It's too damned tough to fight somebody that big and tall with that kind of speed, range, and power... There're too many other guys you can fight."

When Too Tall Jones announced he was becoming a professional boxer that was one of the reservations about his success that a lot of people had... Boxing is a free lance sport to a very large degree... Unless you're a World Champion you get to pick and choose who you'll fight and who you won't fight.. Some World Champions even seem to have this ability... His list of possible opponents was broad for his 1st fight... After the Montes fight it dried up quickly.

This is fanciful at best isn't it Kalan. You're what the legal profession would describe as an unreliable witness.

Can you provide a source for the Holmes quote? It sounds a little bit like when you invented a quote attributed to Henry Cooper, which was more like an American who'd seen Mary Poppins inventing a quote from a Londoner...

[jas80s]

And why would they blackball him? And who was 'they'? Given that he would I imagine have sold tickets being a star already.

People who have interests in Heavyweight Contenders and don't want them embarrassed by an upstart Football player... Larry Holmes said... "If Too Tall Jones becomes really good.. If he really gets down and bones up his skills, he's going to have trouble getting any contenders to fight him... It's too damned tough to fight somebody that big and tall with that kind of speed, range, and power... There're too many other guys you can fight."

When Too Tall Jones announced he was becoming a professional boxer that was one of the reservations about his success that a lot of people had... Boxing is a free lance sport to a very large degree... Unless you're a World Champion you get to pick and choose who you'll fight and who you won't fight.. Some World Champions even seem to have this ability... His list of possible opponents was broad for his 1st fight... After the Montes fight it dried up quickly.

This is fanciful at best isn't it Kalan. You're what the legal profession would describe as an unreliable witness.

Can you provide a source for the Holmes quote? It sounds a little bit like when you invented a quote attributed to Henry Cooper, which was more like an American who'd seen Mary Poppins inventing a quote from a Londoner...

Heavyweight Champion Larry Holmes came out and said that a 6-0 fighter who had been fighting for less than a year, was too dangerous an opponent and that, just to be safe, he would avoid him and find someone a little less scary to meet in the ring......I'm sold.

By the way, that quote is pretty insulting to Larry Holmes.....not that he would lose any sleep, but still. That made up quote makes him sound like a total coward.

We should have a contest where we all make up quotes for a given fighter and see which one of us can come up with the most believable quote...

[Crease]

None of the above.

[Controversial]

Fortunately we have newspaper articles, and video footage, of Jones that both show he was very poor, laughable in fact.

Oh bullshitt... Nothing laughable about getting a nationally televised fight when you're only 3-0.... fighting a 248-pound Heavyweight who has more experience -- and knocking the man out in 2 rounds... Jones had renowned Boxing trainer and commentator Gil Clancy and ATG fighter Archie Moore both making compliments on his improvement as a boxer. The ATG fighter Archie Moore told a nation wide TV audience he wanted to train Too Tall Jones... Doesn't sound like nobody was interested in a boxing talent like Too Tall.

And why did he have televised fights, because he was famous that's all. He was being laughed at in the press, and I laughed when I saw him fight, thats enough evidence for me.

[oogiebe]

Fortunately we have newspaper articles, and video footage, of Jones that both show he was very poor, laughable in fact.

Oh bullshitt... Nothing laughable about getting a nationally televised fight when you're only 3-0.... fighting a 248-pound Heavyweight who has more experience -- and knocking the man out in 2 rounds... Jones had renowned Boxing trainer and commentator Gil Clancy and ATG fighter Archie Moore both making compliments on his improvement as a boxer. The ATG fighter Archie Moore told a nation wide TV audience he wanted to train Too Tall Jones... Doesn't sound like nobody was interested in a boxing talent like Too Tall.

And why did he have televised fights, because he was famous that's all. He was being laughed at in the press, and I laughed when I saw him fight, thats enough evidence for me.

He really was nothing...Jones is a sidebar to boxing history and certainly has no place on this thread.