Sad, but true. This fight works for Povetkin, it works for Hearn, but it doesn't work for Price.
At this level, and in front of the whole world watching, this is a shocking mismatch. I hope this gets stopped as early as possible if David is in any trouble. We are here to watch a fight, not a ritual sacrifice.
There must be plenty of feather fisted opponents out there for David to rebuild his confidence against - Tyson Fury, Hughie Fury to name but two. Go back 5/6 years after he'd easily disposed of John McDermott (who gave Tyson Fury trouble twice), Audley Harrison, and Matt Skelton, all seemed to be going so well. The trouble was he wasn't learning much from those fights, and his flaws were not being shown up, let alone being worked upon.
He's still a relatively fresh 34 year old and this seems like an unnecessarily desperate attempt at a final throw of the dice. Yes his confidence has totally gone now but once upon a time his potential couldn't have been far short of Wladimir Klitschko's.
Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is probably a bigger mismatch in my opinion in favor of the much bigger Anthony Joshua.
Alexander Povetkin is:
1) Extremely small for the current heavyweight division. Especially compared to the much taller, muscular and the physical specimen in Anthony Joshua
2) Extremely old, nearing age 40 and is 10 years older than the in-prime Anthony Joshua.
3) Has been in multiple tough fights and is becoming less and less durable from all the mileage and damage he has sustained from his past fights.
David Price, at least holds a significant size, height, reach, weight and probably also a power advantage over the much smaller and weaker Povetkin.
This fight looks more dangerous against Povetkin than vice versa. And I'm not even too confident that Povetkin will even win this. He may win by decision, or by late stoppage if Price gets tired in the later rounds. But Price is extremely dangerous for someone as small and weak as Povetkin
Unless Povetkin ages dramatically, you are dreaming. Povetkin will give AJ hell. Only reason Klitschko made it look easy was because he cheated the entire fight. Any rational viewer could easily see that Klitschko deserved disqualification.
Wlad was like an octopus that night,blatant cheating.
Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is probably a bigger mismatch in my opinion in favor of the much bigger Anthony Joshua.
Alexander Povetkin is:
1) Extremely small for the current heavyweight division. Especially compared to the much taller, muscular and the physical specimen in Anthony Joshua
2) Extremely old, nearing age 40 and is 10 years older than the in-prime Anthony Joshua.
3) Has been in multiple tough fights and is becoming less and less durable from all the mileage and damage he has sustained from his past fights.
David Price, at least holds a significant size, height, reach, weight and probably also a power advantage over the much smaller and weaker Povetkin.
This fight looks more dangerous against Povetkin than vice versa. And I'm not even too confident that Povetkin will even win this. He may win by decision, or by late stoppage if Price gets tired in the later rounds. But Price is extremely dangerous for someone as small and weak as Povetkin
Unless Povetkin ages dramatically, you are dreaming. Povetkin will give AJ hell. Only reason Klitschko made it look easy was because he cheated the entire fight. Any rational viewer could easily see that Klitschko deserved disqualification.
Wlad was like an octopus that night,blatant cheating.
While I agree the holding was excessive. You only deserve a Disqualification when you've received the hard warning "I'm gonna Disqualify you if you don't stop holding"
He never received that hard warning so you can't fault him for continuing to fight in a way that was effective.
You can certainly fault the ref though for doing a half assed job.
If you recall though when he took a point from Wlad for holding Wlad started holding a lot less.
Therefore Wlad wouldn't have been DQ'd anyway because he would've checked himself. As he did after the point deduction.
Unless Povetkin ages dramatically, you are dreaming. Povetkin will give AJ hell. Only reason Klitschko made it look easy was because he cheated the entire fight. Any rational viewer could easily see that Klitschko deserved disqualification.
Wlad was like an octopus that night,blatant cheating.
While I agree the holding was excessive. You only deserve a Disqualification when you've received the hard warning "I'm gonna Disqualify you if you don't stop holding"
He never received that hard warning so you can't fault him for continuing to fight in a way that was effective.
You can certainly fault the ref though for doing a half assed job.
If you recall though when he took a point from Wlad for holding Wlad started holding a lot less.
Therefore Wlad wouldn't have been DQ'd anyway because he would've checked himself. As he did after the point deduction.
Alexander Povetkin vs Anthony Joshua is probably a bigger mismatch in my opinion in favor of the much bigger Anthony Joshua.
Alexander Povetkin is:
1) Extremely small for the current heavyweight division. Especially compared to the much taller, muscular and the physical specimen in Anthony Joshua
2) Extremely old, nearing age 40 and is 10 years older than the in-prime Anthony Joshua.
3) Has been in multiple tough fights and is becoming less and less durable from all the mileage and damage he has sustained from his past fights.
David Price, at least holds a significant size, height, reach, weight and probably also a power advantage over the much smaller and weaker Povetkin.
This fight looks more dangerous against Povetkin than vice versa. And I'm not even too confident that Povetkin will even win this. He may win by decision, or by late stoppage if Price gets tired in the later rounds. But Price is extremely dangerous for someone as small and weak as Povetkin
Unless Povetkin ages dramatically, you are dreaming. Povetkin will give AJ hell. Only reason Klitschko made it look easy was because he cheated the entire fight. Any rational viewer could easily see that Klitschko deserved disqualification.
The size difference is ridiculous though. It's like putting in someone like Kell Brook against someone like Sergey Kovalev. How the hell does Povetkin overcome the sheer physical size, strength and power disadvantage?
Anthony Joshua is like a totally different creature / animal altogether, compared to anybody Povetkin has ever fought before.
Luis -
P just weighed in at 229. Wilder was only 214 3/4 for his last fight. Parker is 236 1/2 for tomorrow's fight, Joshua 242 1/4.
P has fought a long list of the top fighters, including Wladimir, who hadn't lost a fight in almost ten years at that point, and that loss (Brewster) under very suspicious circumstances.
You know Luis, for a self-proclaimed Povetkin fan you really seem to have very little faith in his ability.
He's 38 now and I suspect his powers are on the wane, but at the time I saw his fight with Wilder as a genuine 50/50 even with the 6" height differential. He will have more than enough left to leave David Price in a tangled heap of limbs I'm pretty certain about that.
Unless Povetkin ages dramatically, you are dreaming. Povetkin will give AJ hell. Only reason Klitschko made it look easy was because he cheated the entire fight. Any rational viewer could easily see that Klitschko deserved disqualification.
Wlad was like an octopus that night,blatant cheating.
While I agree the holding was excessive. You only deserve a Disqualification when you've received the hard warning "I'm gonna Disqualify you if you don't stop holding"
He never received that hard warning so you can't fault him for continuing to fight in a way that was effective.
You can certainly fault the ref though for doing a half assed job.
If you recall though when he took a point from Wlad for holding Wlad started holding a lot less.
Therefore Wlad wouldn't have been DQ'd anyway because he would've checked himself. As he did after the point deduction.
As I said, you are a great sheep. Clearly, the referee was incompetent or crooked or both. Klitschko bent all the damn rules in the sport. It wasn't just holding, but he was also pushing Povetkin's head down in the clinch. Clear violations. You deserve disqualification when you break the rules repeatedly. That is what Klitschko did in that fight.
I think he took a point near the very end of the fight while Klitschko was comfortably ahead and sapped all of Povetkin's stamina with his holding and leaning.
Why is Povetkin fighting in England?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Why is Povetkin fighting David Price?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Why is Povetkin fighting on a Joshua undercard?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Can we consider this mystery settled now?
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Lackeos wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 18:05
Why is Povetkin fighting in England?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Why is Povetkin fighting David Price?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Why is Povetkin fighting on a Joshua undercard?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Soooo...are you saying it's to be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua?
Lackeos wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 18:05
Why is Povetkin fighting in England?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Why is Povetkin fighting David Price?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Why is Povetkin fighting on a Joshua undercard?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Soooo...are you saying it's to be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua?
Lackeos wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 18:05
Why is Povetkin fighting in England?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Why is Povetkin fighting David Price?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Why is Povetkin fighting on a Joshua undercard?
To raise Povetkin's profile in the British market so that he will later be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua.
Soooo...are you saying it's to be a more lucrative opponent for Joshua?
Seriously though, why would anyone think otherwise? This Wilder fan knows that Joshua is the global attraction in the HW division. It's not hard to figure that out...especially after your post! If you were a musician, who would you rather open for: Pink Floyd or some Disney teeny bopper dropout?
Price is ranked right around where Wilder has been grazing for ages, and apart from Ortiz, he has been having "title defences" against guys on Price type level.
KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 18:25
Price is ranked right around where Wilder has been grazing for ages, and apart from Ortiz, he has been having "title defences" against guys on Price type level.
So...? He was signed to fight povetkin, and PED's got in the way. Twice scheduled to fight Ortiz. So? Who cares? I only care to see Wilder/Joshua. We can debate the better fighter after that one.
Unless Povetkin ages dramatically, you are dreaming. Povetkin will give AJ hell. Only reason Klitschko made it look easy was because he cheated the entire fight. Any rational viewer could easily see that Klitschko deserved disqualification.
Wlad was like an octopus that night,blatant cheating.
While I agree the holding was excessive. You only deserve a Disqualification when you've received the hard warning "I'm gonna Disqualify you if you don't stop holding"
He never received that hard warning so you can't fault him for continuing to fight in a way that was effective.
You can certainly fault the ref though for doing a half assed job.
If you recall though when he took a point from Wlad for holding Wlad started holding a lot less.
Therefore Wlad wouldn't have been DQ'd anyway because he would've checked himself. As he did after the point deduction.
Good post The same has happened in the fight against Jennings. When Wlad was deducted a point, he started to hold less than before deduction
KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 18:25
Price is ranked right around where Wilder has been grazing for ages, and apart from Ortiz, he has been having "title defences" against guys on Price type level.
So...? He was signed to fight povetkin, and PED's got in the way. Twice scheduled to fight Ortiz. So? Who cares? I only care to see Wilder/Joshua. We can debate the better fighter after that one.
Sorry, I didn't explain my point properly. I mentioned it in the context of 'we have seen lots of missmatchs in the HW division of late, what is the big deal of Pov/Price?'
Wlad was like an octopus that night,blatant cheating.
While I agree the holding was excessive. You only deserve a Disqualification when you've received the hard warning "I'm gonna Disqualify you if you don't stop holding"
He never received that hard warning so you can't fault him for continuing to fight in a way that was effective.
You can certainly fault the ref though for doing a half assed job.
If you recall though when he took a point from Wlad for holding Wlad started holding a lot less.
Therefore Wlad wouldn't have been DQ'd anyway because he would've checked himself. As he did after the point deduction.
As I said, you are a great sheep. Clearly, the referee was incompetent or crooked or both. Klitschko bent all the damn rules in the sport. It wasn't just holding, but he was also pushing Povetkin's head down in the clinch. Clear violations. You deserve disqualification when you break the rules repeatedly. That is what Klitschko did in that fight.
I think he took a point near the very end of the fight while Klitschko was comfortably ahead and sapped all of Povetkin's stamina with his holding and leaning.
While I agree the holding was excessive. You only deserve a Disqualification when you've received the hard warning "I'm gonna Disqualify you if you don't stop holding"
He never received that hard warning so you can't fault him for continuing to fight in a way that was effective.
You can certainly fault the ref though for doing a half assed job.
If you recall though when he took a point from Wlad for holding Wlad started holding a lot less.
Therefore Wlad wouldn't have been DQ'd anyway because he would've checked himself. As he did after the point deduction.
As I said, you are a great sheep. Clearly, the referee was incompetent or crooked or both. Klitschko bent all the damn rules in the sport. It wasn't just holding, but he was also pushing Povetkin's head down in the clinch. Clear violations. You deserve disqualification when you break the rules repeatedly. That is what Klitschko did in that fight.
I think he took a point near the very end of the fight while Klitschko was comfortably ahead and sapped all of Povetkin's stamina with his holding and leaning.
If the referee allows it. It's legal.
So there are no rules is what you are saying? There are rules obviously whether the referee enforces them or not doesn't mean there aren't rules. Klitschko broke several of them repeatedly. That is grounds for a disqualification. Anyone saying it was a fair fight may as well say Jones/Lebedev was a fair fight since Jones was allowed to enter the ring roided to the gills. It's just nonsense and a horrible stance to take.
I'm just saying since the referee didn't give him a hard warning for the longest time it's understandable that he kept working a strategy he was comfortable with.
It's the refs job to ref. It's the fighters job to fight. You do what you gotta do to win. Especially if the ref is letting you get away with it.
KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 18:25
Price is ranked right around where Wilder has been grazing for ages, and apart from Ortiz, he has been having "title defences" against guys on Price type level.
So...? He was signed to fight povetkin, and PED's got in the way. Twice scheduled to fight Ortiz. So? Who cares? I only care to see Wilder/Joshua. We can debate the better fighter after that one.
No, Oogeeboogee, Doctor Margaret and her Las Vegas NeVADA mafia drug test crew got in the way, on behalf of the US boxing money boys, particularly Wilder's handlers.
I'm a huge fan of the Klitschkos, but Wlad's fight against Povetkin was disgraceful, and so was the shill dressed up in the referee costume who let it slide.
Fury's comments to Price were very gentlemanly. He seemed to dislike Price for some reason before .
When Povetkin is in the zone he slips punches has speed, power, and solid boxing skills. Definitely against fighters around his height. Price is tall, seems to be able to use his height to his advantage also shows a little power but has never fought someone's with Povetkins skills. If he beats Povetkin in an impressive fashion, who knows.. right? I think that Povetkin takes him in 8.
oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 12:18
"small and weak" Povetkin...you can't be serious.
Yes, Povetkin is practically a blown up cruiser weight fighting in the heavyweight division in an era that is full of giant super sized mutant like heavyweights. In comparison, Povetkin is extremely frail, weak, fragile and small. So he better know what he is doing.
Luis Fernando12 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2018, 02:10
This fight looks more dangerous against Povetkin than vice versa. And I'm not even too confident that Povetkin will even win this. He may win by decision, or by late stoppage if Price gets tired in the later rounds. But Price is extremely dangerous for someone as small and weak as Povetkin
I can only conclude that you're not too familiar with David Price.
I am very familiar with both fighters. Povetkin has always struggled against taller opponents and it isn't a foregone conclusion that he would be able to reach the much taller Price's chin with his knockout punches in order to get the knockout. Povetkin has never KO'ed anybody as tall as David Price before. So since this is the first time, we must have reasonable expectations.
Unless Povetkin ages dramatically, you are dreaming. Povetkin will give AJ hell. Only reason Klitschko made it look easy was because he cheated the entire fight. Any rational viewer could easily see that Klitschko deserved disqualification.
The size difference is ridiculous though. It's like putting in someone like Kell Brook against someone like Sergey Kovalev. How the hell does Povetkin overcome the sheer physical size, strength and power disadvantage?
Anthony Joshua is like a totally different creature / animal altogether, compared to anybody Povetkin has ever fought before.
Luis -
P just weighed in at 229. Wilder was only 214 3/4 for his last fight. Parker is 236 1/2 for tomorrow's fight, Joshua 242 1/4.
P has fought a long list of the top fighters, including Wladimir, who hadn't lost a fight in almost ten years at that point, and that loss (Brewster) under very suspicious circumstances.
Wlad was like an octopus that night,blatant cheating.