banjo wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:25We're amateurs when it comes to hooliganism, Italy, Russia, Turkey, Greece, Netherlands and Poland are all streets ahead of us, Italian hooligans are absolutely mental and that's not just in football either. Our lot just sing songs and throw a few bottles and mean stares while doing that arms out "fuckin' come on then" stance, Italians throw motorcycles off the higher tiers and murder policemen.
I agree. My point is people act like the haka is sacred. Why anybody needs to take notice of a bunch of people doing a silly dance is beyond me.lillywhite14 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:27 I’ve been pissed on by Germans at a game in Berlin.
What about the Russians at the last Euro’s in France? Poles were just as bad too.
Difference is, if it’s against the English, somehow it’s seen as deserved.
Every nation has its fair share of divs.
The Haka is a load of tosh, but it can be entertaining. It’s been “disrespected” for years, by the Irish National side, apparently by Brian O’Driscoll, the Italians simply ignored it and trotted off to throw a ball about down the other end of the pitch. These and many other instances are widely available to view on YouTube. I’d say the Haka is probably more respected at Twickenham than anyone else too.
Does not sit with the ‘English are the biggest divs’ bollocks though I guess.
Why is it revered so much? Check out what it looked like 30 years ago. Was something like a Morris dance until the all blacks and Adidas decided they wanted to change it and use it as a product.
At the Euro's in 2016 you had Russian hooligans with Go-Pro cameras, MMA gloves and gumshields. Genuinely crazy levels of premeditated aggro. Throw in the massive amounts of open racism and a bunch of pissed lads singing 'who are you' at a haka looks like a children's party.
I agree with some parts but plenty of people wasted money on drink and gambling back in the day too. My older female relatives will back me up on that!dalcumly wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:50 In the 1960's, if Henry Cooper had fought a New Zealander and someone had performed the haka, everyone would have watched and clapped when it was finished. If anyone had attempted to 'boo' it, they'd have got a hard slap across the back of the head.
Does that mean people of that generation were soft, or something. I don't think so. We simply had more respect for others and knew how to behave. We learned that from our parents.
I don't want to get into a political debate but when most men in the country worked in hard physical industries like the pits and steelworks etc they learned a code of behaviour from the older men and after hard work they didn't want to through their money into too much drink, drugs and gambling. Only a personal opinion.
I think every working class man ended up in the pub back in the day, far more so than now I reckon as most local pubs are either on their arse or gone completely. My grandad who was a joiner said he got most of his jobs from going to the pub, very important place back in the day as that was your social media.dalcumly wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:50 In the 1960's, if Henry Cooper had fought a New Zealander and someone had performed the haka, everyone would have watched and clapped when it was finished. If anyone had attempted to 'boo' it, they'd have got a hard slap across the back of the head.
Does that mean people of that generation were soft, or something. I don't think so. We simply had more respect for others and knew how to behave. We learned that from our parents.
I don't want to get into a political debate but when most men in the country worked in hard physical industries like the pits and steelworks etc they learned a code of behaviour from the older men and after hard work they didn't want to through their money into too much drink, drugs and gambling. Only a personal opinion.
Give the haka lads from the 20s some sticks and put some bells on their legs and we have some morris dancing.lillywhite14 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 05:05I agree with some parts but plenty of people wasted money on drink and gambling back in the day too. My older female relatives will back me up on that!dalcumly wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:50 In the 1960's, if Henry Cooper had fought a New Zealander and someone had performed the haka, everyone would have watched and clapped when it was finished. If anyone had attempted to 'boo' it, they'd have got a hard slap across the back of the head.
Does that mean people of that generation were soft, or something. I don't think so. We simply had more respect for others and knew how to behave. We learned that from our parents.
I don't want to get into a political debate but when most men in the country worked in hard physical industries like the pits and steelworks etc they learned a code of behaviour from the older men and after hard work they didn't want to through their money into too much drink, drugs and gambling. Only a personal opinion.
If you see the Haka from the 60’s people would be too busy pissing themselves with laughter to do much else!
That’s before the advertising people got involved and made it a product. It’s now apparently mystical...back in the day it was just a bit of a fairy dance.
Great postdalcumly wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:50 In the 1960's, if Henry Cooper had fought a New Zealander and someone had performed the haka, everyone would have watched and clapped when it was finished. If anyone had attempted to 'boo' it, they'd have got a hard slap across the back of the head.
Does that mean people of that generation were soft, or something. I don't think so. We simply had more respect for others and knew how to behave. We learned that from our parents.
I don't want to get into a political debate but when most men in the country worked in hard physical industries like the pits and steelworks etc they learned a code of behaviour from the older men and after hard work they didn't want to through their money into too much drink, drugs and gambling. Only a personal opinion.
Agreed , nobody should need to take notice , but respect it by remaining quiet through it .jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:31I agree. My point is people act like the haka is sacred. Why anybody needs to take notice of a bunch of people doing a silly dance is beyond me.lillywhite14 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:27 I’ve been pissed on by Germans at a game in Berlin.
What about the Russians at the last Euro’s in France? Poles were just as bad too.
Difference is, if it’s against the English, somehow it’s seen as deserved.
Every nation has its fair share of divs.
The Haka is a load of tosh, but it can be entertaining. It’s been “disrespected” for years, by the Irish National side, apparently by Brian O’Driscoll, the Italians simply ignored it and trotted off to throw a ball about down the other end of the pitch. These and many other instances are widely available to view on YouTube. I’d say the Haka is probably more respected at Twickenham than anyone else too.
Does not sit with the ‘English are the biggest divs’ bollocks though I guess.
Why is it revered so much? Check out what it looked like 30 years ago. Was something like a Morris dance until the all blacks and Adidas decided they wanted to change it and use it as a product.
What's so wrong with having some common decency and respecting the culture of visiting people, and more so respecting performers who have been hired by the promoter for entertainment?jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:31I agree. My point is people act like the haka is sacred. Why anybody needs to take notice of a bunch of people doing a silly dance is beyond me.lillywhite14 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:27 I’ve been pissed on by Germans at a game in Berlin.
What about the Russians at the last Euro’s in France? Poles were just as bad too.
Difference is, if it’s against the English, somehow it’s seen as deserved.
Every nation has its fair share of divs.
The Haka is a load of tosh, but it can be entertaining. It’s been “disrespected” for years, by the Irish National side, apparently by Brian O’Driscoll, the Italians simply ignored it and trotted off to throw a ball about down the other end of the pitch. These and many other instances are widely available to view on YouTube. I’d say the Haka is probably more respected at Twickenham than anyone else too.
Does not sit with the ‘English are the biggest divs’ bollocks though I guess.
Why is it revered so much? Check out what it looked like 30 years ago. Was something like a Morris dance until the all blacks and Adidas decided they wanted to change it and use it as a product.
On the money pal.liamlion wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 08:05 Deep rooted xenophobia is the cause.
You only have to flick through the sun newspaper and daily mail each day to see the racism that is being conditioned into the unwitting and less conscious.
The whole Brexit campaign was run on a narrative that EU foreigners are clueless, rip-off merchants and we can do better without them, on our own. We simply have very little respect for foreign cultures.
liamlion wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 09:23What's so wrong with having some common decency and respecting the culture of visiting people, and more so respecting performers who have been hired by the promoter for entertainment?jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:31I agree. My point is people act like the haka is sacred. Why anybody needs to take notice of a bunch of people doing a silly dance is beyond me.lillywhite14 wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 04:27 I’ve been pissed on by Germans at a game in Berlin.
What about the Russians at the last Euro’s in France? Poles were just as bad too.
Difference is, if it’s against the English, somehow it’s seen as deserved.
Every nation has its fair share of divs.
The Haka is a load of tosh, but it can be entertaining. It’s been “disrespected” for years, by the Irish National side, apparently by Brian O’Driscoll, the Italians simply ignored it and trotted off to throw a ball about down the other end of the pitch. These and many other instances are widely available to view on YouTube. I’d say the Haka is probably more respected at Twickenham than anyone else too.
Does not sit with the ‘English are the biggest divs’ bollocks though I guess.
Why is it revered so much? Check out what it looked like 30 years ago. Was something like a Morris dance until the all blacks and Adidas decided they wanted to change it and use it as a product.
I see no reason whatsoever to treak the haka with reverence, it's just a ritual. I don't see why chanting 'who are ya' is an insult to anybody's culture, it's just representative of English terrace culture.
The Haka is famous the world over and is symbolic of a tough, proud, fighting culture. Those performers were hired by the promotion to give some flavour and added atmosphere to the weigh-in.
What is it with trying to demean anything that isn't English or British? Quite sad really.
This, couldn't have put it any betterliamlion wrote: ↑31 Mar 2018, 08:05 Deep rooted xenophobia is the cause.
You only have to flick through the sun newspaper and daily mail each day to see the racism that is being conditioned into the unwitting and less conscious.
The whole Brexit campaign was run on a narrative that EU foreigners are clueless, rip-off merchants and we can do better without them, on our own. We simply have very little respect for foreign cultures.
By a million miles? Nonsense. Monkey calls in Russia and Italy, German hooligans attacking families in the stands, Argentines spitting on players as they go past. You need to expand your horizons and stop with the self-loathing.