Julian Jackson vs todays Super Welters...

Justin · Post by **Justin** » 03 Jan 2002, 15:44

in his prime ('90) here is how I think The Hawk would match up against todays Super Welters....

Winky Wright... Jackson would just end him, I don't think Winky has any chance.

Castillejo... Same as wright, just more of a beating.

Vargas... Jackson would knock him around like Tito did, but due to Vargas' heart, I think Vargas would finish the fight, losing a very lopsided decision with several knockdowns, including one or two for the Hawk.

DLH... I think it goes to a mosely-DLH type fight, with the Hawk pulling it out by scoring a knockdown or two.

What do you guys think?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Justin on 2002-01-03 19:53 ]</font>

barry · Post by **barry** » 03 Jan 2002, 19:21

>Winky Wright<
I'd guess that Wright would be boxing circles around Jackson until he gets caught with a short left hook late in the sixth round.

>Castillejo<
I believe Jackson would take him out early.

>Vargas<
I think Jackson would have knocked him out also, in three, or four rounds. Jackson hit harder than Trinidad.

>DLH<
I think it would be a toss-up if DLH decided to slug with a slight advantage for Jackson. If DLH elected to box, he would probably stop Jackson in eight, or nine rounds.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 03 Jan 2002, 22:09

On 2002-01-03 23:21, barry wrote:

>DLH<
I think it would be a toss-up if DLH decided to slug with a slight advantage for Jackson. If DLH elected to box, he would probably stop Jackson in eight, or nine rounds.

I don't think DLH would stop Jackson if he boxed, because Jackson had a not-so-great chin, but wouldn't go down if DLH was boxing, then running away (Like vs Tito).

Justin · Post by **Justin** » 03 Jan 2002, 22:10

BTW, That post above is by me, I forgot to enter my username and password...

6 Pack · Post by **6 Pack** » 03 Jan 2002, 22:30

De La Hoya would beat Jackson. Jackson is a good fighter and hit as hard as any one pound for pound...but when threaten and forced to box not many can outbox the Golden boy. Certainly Jackson could not hope to outbox him. Jackson would be dangerous right up until the end, and may drop DeLa Hoya, but Oscar by decision. Too quick, too slick, too good of defense. Jackson would be able to beat the others though.

P.S. Jackson always has a punchers chance against any one he fights.

Ridiculous_Ray · Post by **Ridiculous_Ray** » 06 Jan 2002, 07:51

ok im a big de la hoya fan so i go with my man oscar, and i know that you asked about todays welters only but hearns could dispose of him in the same fashion along with a number of other guys, just felt like mentioning tommy

Justin · Post by **Justin** » 06 Jan 2002, 14:22

I think Hearns would win 7 or 8 times outta 10 vs Jackson, But I'd love to see it, what's better than two BIG TIME punchers with not-so-great chins and great heart going H2H? heh, Lots of knockdowns, action, But hearns would use his leverage to win.

bazzer · Post by **bazzer** » 11 Jan 2002, 19:36

julian jackson was big puncher with a weak chin. he would knock vargas out,stop trindad i dont think chicken de la hoya would face him, but hands of stone would of ripped him up only hearns stopped duran.

Ridiculous_Ray · Post by **Ridiculous_Ray** » 12 Jan 2002, 03:12

how is de la hoya a chicken? i just dont see how people get off saying this crap, he has fought nearly a dozen guys, off the top of my head who were and or are very legitimate champions and or titlists that anyone should be honored to have on their reume let alone having beaten. youre probably making refrence to how he 'ran' from tito in the last 3 or so rouds of their fight because he was winded and wasnt stupid to just stand there and try and go blow for blow with an obviously heavier hitting guy. 4 rounds of a guy doing what it took to secure a victory (only to have it stolen) and everyone on earth thinks they can call oscar a chicken, what a load of crap. thats like saying evil knieivil (spelling?) would be a chicken shit if he opted to not make a dath defying jump...gimme a break.

oh so now i have shot that theory of oscar being a chicken down, youre probably going to say that he is a chicken because he pulls out of fights, well, i am not where he is, but lets just assume that when you are on oscars level you are the name in the fight, which means you get to make a lot of calls, or at least you should. anyone who dosnt want to do things your way can take a hike, like oscar has told many people to do in the past, most recently, but no longer, vargas.

in closing, nobody who gets in the ring with pernel, camacho, quartey, vargas, carr, mosely, tito among others is a chicken. oscar would give him hell, switching between slug and boxer until he lost his mind.

stovich · Post by **stovich** » 17 Jan 2002, 03:59

that's right...if anyone has faced just about all of today's lightweight to middleweight fighters, it's been DLH.

he's classy, talented, and he doesn't run from a good fight. i never have known him to do anything like that.

you will see this olympic champ to go down in the history books as one the the greatest PFP fighters in there ever was. he IS "the golden boy".

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 21 Apr 2006, 19:45

DeLaHoya isn't a big enough puncher at LMW to beat Jackson. Oscar would outbox him for maybe half a fight, but as soon as Julian lands, he's in serious trouble. Jackson by stoppage in 8 rounds.

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 21 Apr 2006, 20:01

as with Javier Castillejo i would just like to know what do you guys think of him i mean do you think he was a top champion or ....?

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 21 Apr 2006, 23:32

stovich wrote:you will see this olympic champ to go down in the history books as one the the greatest PFP fighters in there ever was. he IS "the golden boy".

Are you okay?? One year in Sugar Ray Robinson's resume is more impressive than De La Hoya's career

Flaws in De La Hoya's career:

He didn't go for the KO in the Trinidad fight, although everyone knows he won the fight.

He got flat out beaten by Bernard Hopkins and Sugar Shane Mosley.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 21 Apr 2006, 23:50

hey there general......stovich made that statement in 2002.....this was a blast from the past

theone · Post by **theone** » 21 Apr 2006, 23:52

One year in Sugar Ray Robinson's resume is more impressive than De La Hoya's career

What year is that exactly? I cant seem to find it.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 21 Apr 2006, 23:53

BoxBuzz wrote:hey there general......stovich made that statement in 2002.....this was a blast from the past

HAHA!! I was really trying to argue it too!! WOW someone was really digging in the dumpster for this thread.

The names generic by the way

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 22 Apr 2006, 08:43

generic screen name wrote:
BoxBuzz wrote:hey there general......stovich made that statement in 2002.....this was a blast from the past
HAHA!! I was really trying to argue it too!! WOW someone was really digging in the dumpster for this thread.

The names generic by the way

I know, I thought I'd give you a promotion.

hawaiianpunch · Post by **hawaiianpunch** » 23 Apr 2006, 16:43

Jackson would:
Get outboxed by Winky then end it with a KO. Ala Herol Graham.
Castilejo would be totally dominated KO in 2 or 3.
Vargas, Again Jackson KO's him in 2 or 3.
DLH, in a fight he is losing, would stop DLH in the middle rounds!
Hearns would be an entertaining fight, but I would lean to Hearns by KO 6 or 7 times out of 10.
Jackson's chin was not as bad as people say, in his prime he only lost to McCallum and ended the fight on his feet not on his back. When he started losing he was nearing 40 and had terrible eyesite because of the detached retinas. He was getting hit clean and had also moved up in weight. Let's not forget that he was beating McClellan in the first fight until the 5th round! He has some bad KO losses at the end, but hey he was old and blind fighting over his prime weight!

dr_devious · Post by **dr_devious** » 24 Apr 2006, 04:19

I think the only guy mentioned that would have a chance against Julian Jackson would be Winky Wright. Winky would win on points if he could avoid Jackson's haymaker, and as hes one of the best defensive fighters in the game he could well do it.
Of the others, theyd all get kayoed, Vargas would do some rounds due to his heart.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 24 Apr 2006, 14:04

hawaiianpunch wrote:Jackson would:
Get outboxed by Winky then end it with a KO. Ala Herol Graham.

Did you watch the Graham fight?

Winky would not do what Graham did, which is get excited and go for the knockout while leaving himself wide open.

Winky would simply jab and throw an occasional left and win a Trinidad type decision.