Heavyweight Rivalries

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Wilt Chamberlain Vs Ed Too Tall Jones

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Wilt Chamberlain Vs Ed Too Tall Jones

LMFAO!

[gilgamesh]

It amazing how much the Patterson-Johansson trilogy was talked about when it was happening... Everybody loved the new undefeated Heavyweight Champion who could barely speak English... He was all over TV making commercials for razor blades, dress shirts, cars, ties, and appeared on variety and talk shows... Floyd wasn't happy.

When Ingo was exposed in the rematch many people still had hopes for him... "He was hit with a lucky punch." .... After the 3rd fight people said he was a punk with a cheese chin... Yesterday's news... You have to keep winning.

Supposedly Marciano briefly entertained the idea of coming back and facing Johansson. That would've been interesting, and probably would've been a big money fight too.

What if . . .. Patterson would never have gotten to redeem himself, Marciano would have exposed Johansson (as Patterson did the next two times out), winning by KO and convincing subsequent generations that he was in fact the GOAT.

It depends. If Marciano could've been talked into coming back for one more with Johansson they might've been able to talk him into defending against Patterson as well.

[jas80s]

Supposedly Marciano briefly entertained the idea of coming back and facing Johansson. That would've been interesting, and probably would've been a big money fight too.

What if . . .. Patterson would never have gotten to redeem himself, Marciano would have exposed Johansson (as Patterson did the next two times out), winning by KO and convincing subsequent generations that he was in fact the GOAT.

It depends. If Marciano could've been talked into coming back for one more with Johansson they might've been able to talk him into defending against Patterson as well.

Interesting, I had always believed that Marciano was all too aware of just how hard he had to train in order to be successful and was not interested at all in ever doing it again...But, I can of course totally see him developing a desire at some point to get back in the ring, since just about every other fighter in the history of the ring has entertained those thoughts at some point.

I wonder if there is a good book that really delves into the Rock's life and career out there, would make for an interesting read I imagine.

[APerno]

Supposedly Marciano briefly entertained the idea of coming back and facing Johansson. That would've been interesting, and probably would've been a big money fight too.

What if . . .. Patterson would never have gotten to redeem himself, Marciano would have exposed Johansson (as Patterson did the next two times out), winning by KO and convincing subsequent generations that he was in fact the GOAT.

It depends. If Marciano could've been talked into coming back for one more with Johansson they might've been able to talk him into defending against Patterson as well.

I was thinking of it differently. I thought the post meant for Marciano to come back after Johannson had KOed Patterson.

Johannson KOs Patterson, Marciano comes back and KOs Johannson. (Marciano looks like a lesser god). Patterson is squeezed out of the picture, and forced to look elsewhere for a comeback fight. Johansson is forced to fight Liston to get back to a title shot. Liston by KO. Marciano retires again.; Patterson-Liston elimination bout has expected results; Patterson never regains the title.

When he quit Marciano had two tough fights in front of him, Liston and Patterson, but had he jumped Johansson after he defeated Patterson, he could have had an easy defense against Johansson and still avoided Liston and Patterson.

All this is based the belief that Johansson got lucky against Patterson the first time out; that's what I meant by Patterson never gets to redeem himself against Johansson.

[APerno]

What if . . .. Patterson would never have gotten to redeem himself, Marciano would have exposed Johansson (as Patterson did the next two times out), winning by KO and convincing subsequent generations that he was in fact the GOAT.

It depends. If Marciano could've been talked into coming back for one more with Johansson they might've been able to talk him into defending against Patterson as well.

Interesting, I had always believed that Marciano was all too aware of just how hard he had to train in order to be successful and was not interested at all in ever doing it again...But, I can of course totally see him developing a desire at some point to get back in the ring, since just about every other fighter in the history of the ring has entertained those thoughts at some point.

I wonder if there is a good book that really delves into the Rock's life and career out there, would make for an interesting read I imagine.

I had heard the same regarding Marciano's training. He would go into isolation having little, and eventually no contact with his family for extended periods of time.. He grew to hate it.

[APerno]

Wilt Chamberlain Vs Ed Too Tall Jones

With Danny DeVito as the third man in the ring. --- A fornicating freak show. --- I can think of only one board poster who would want this fight. --- Should we now argue who was ducking whom? --- Why am I replying . . . .

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Wilt Chamberlain Vs Ed Too Tall Jones

With Danny DeVito as the third man in the ring. --- A effing freak show. --- I can think of only one board poster who would want this fight. --- Should we now argue who was ducking whom? --- Why am I replying . . . .

It's just too damn tempting to not reply.

[Caractacus]

Jim J. Corbett and Jim J' Jeffries.
Jeffries use to be a sparring partner of his and you should never be defeated by your former "hired" help.

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Jim J. Corbett and Jim J' Jeffries.
Jeffries use to be a sparring partner of his and you should never be defeated by your former "hired" help.

Interesting thought, who else? Off the top of my head Holmes - Ali is the only duo I can think of

[Caractacus]

Sonny Liston was knocked out by one of his former paid sparring partners.Leotis Martin.

[Kalan]

It amazing how much the Patterson-Johansson trilogy was talked about when it was happening... Everybody loved the new undefeated Heavyweight Champion who could barely speak English... He was all over TV making commercials for razor blades, dress shirts, cars, ties, and appeared on variety and talk shows... Floyd wasn't happy.

When Ingo was exposed in the rematch many people still had hopes for him... "He was hit with a lucky punch." .... After the 3rd fight people said he was a punk with a cheese chin... Yesterday's news... You have to keep winning.

Supposedly Marciano briefly entertained the idea of coming back and facing Johansson. That would've been interesting, and probably would've been a big money fight too.

What if . . .. Patterson would never have gotten to redeem himself, Marciano would have exposed Johansson (as Patterson did the next two times out), winning by KO and convincing subsequent generations that he was in fact the GOAT.

No.... Because Rocky would have been flattened like a pancake... Rocky said he just couldn't train anymore... Rocky wasn't a big guy and he never fought a prime big puncher with a killer right hand in his life.

[Ambling Alp II]

George Chuvalo vs. Robert Cleroux.

That is one that you don't hear about much. Chuvalo always seems to overshadow Cleroux but they were about even.

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George Chuvalo vs. Robert Cleroux.

That is one that you don't hear about much. Chuvalo always seems to overshadow Cleroux but they were about even.

Chuvalo most always guaranteed you a great fight!

[Scypion]

Chuvalo was a tough guy, very strong. He didn't have the speed to beat guys like Ali, Patterson, or Ellis. George Chuvalo weighed over 27 lbs. more than Jimmy Ellis in their fight.

[oogiebe]

Chuvalo was a tough guy, very strong. He didn't have the speed to beat guys like Ali, Patterson, or Ellis. George Chuvalo weighed over 27 lbs. more than Jimmy Ellis in their fight.

Great example of a hard working fighter. I really loved him! Not the greatest but so authentic.

[Scypion]

After the Patterson-Chuvalo fight, Patterson came over to talk to Chuvalo. George looked taller than Floyd as well as bigger. Both are listed at 6 feet tall, but I think Patterson is really only 5'11." Floyd really should have been a light heavyweight I think.

Jimmy Ellis is not considered a big heavyweight, but he looked big compared to Patterson when they fought.

[oogiebe]

After the Patterson-Chuvalo fight, Patterson came over to talk to Chuvalo. George looked taller than Floyd as well as bigger. Both are listed at 6 feet tall, but I think Patterson is really only 5'11." Floyd really should have been a light heavyweight I think.

Jimmy Ellis is not considered a big heavyweight, but he looked big compared to Patterson when they fought.

Fighters such as Patterson and later Tyson liked to squeeze and extra inch or so. I'll have to check out the comparison on film of Chuvalo and Patterson...I don't think I ever noticed that, but yeah on Ellis.

[APerno]

Chuvalo was a tough guy, very strong. He didn't have the speed to beat guys like Ali, Patterson, or Ellis. George Chuvalo weighed over 27 lbs. more than Jimmy Ellis in their fight.

Great example of a hard working fighter. I really loved him! Not the greatest but so authentic.

[oogiebe]

Chuvalo was a tough guy, very strong. He didn't have the speed to beat guys like Ali, Patterson, or Ellis. George Chuvalo weighed over 27 lbs. more than Jimmy Ellis in their fight.

Great example of a hard working fighter. I really loved him! Not the greatest but so authentic.

LMAO!!! Perfect!

[Kalan]

Wilt Chamberlain Vs Ed Too Tall Jones

They were different generations... Wilt came along 50 years too soon... Ali promised he would fight Chamberlain but Ali got cold feet when he realized how serious Wilt was in contacting top trainers and fighters... They negotiated a contract that allowed Chamberlain to train for the entire off season and fight Ali before the next season started...

Chamberlain signed the contract but Ali refused to.. He came up with excuses... "I accept your challenge, after I fight a few more contenders....IF I beat THEM." ... When Wilt asked Ali how long it would take him to sign he got nothing. "How long?" .... "Just be cool" ... "But you can't tell me how long can you?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

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Wilt Chamberlain Vs Ed Too Tall Jones

They were different generations... Wilt came along 50 years too soon... Ali promised he would fight Chamberlain but Ali got cold feet when he realized how serious Wilt was in contacting top trainers and fighters... They negotiated a contract that allowed Chamberlain to train for the entire off season and fight Ali before the next season started...

Chamberlain signed the contract but Ali refused to.. He came up with excuses... "I accept your challenge, after I fight a few more contenders....IF I beat THEM." ... When Wilt asked Ali how long it would take him to sign he got nothing. "How long?" .... "Just be cool" ... "But you can't tell me how long can you?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

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Wilt Chamberlain Vs Ed Too Tall Jones

They were different generations... Wilt came along 50 years too soon... Ali promised he would fight Chamberlain but Ali got cold feet when he realized how serious Wilt was in contacting top trainers and fighters... They negotiated a contract that allowed Chamberlain to train for the entire off season and fight Ali before the next season started...

Chamberlain signed the contract but Ali refused to.. He came up with excuses... "I accept your challenge, after I fight a few more contenders....IF I beat THEM." ... When Wilt asked Ali how long it would take him to sign he got nothing. "How long?" .... "Just be cool" ... "But you can't tell me how long can you?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

If Chamberlain truly wanted the fight he would never have made such an impossible demand. Nothing more than a nonsense excuse used to appease Chamberlain fans who want to believe Chamberlain didn't back out of the fight.

[Kalan]

Wilt Chamberlain Vs Ed Too Tall Jones

They were different generations... Wilt came along 50 years too soon... Ali promised he would fight Chamberlain but Ali got cold feet when he realized how serious Wilt was in contacting top trainers and fighters... They negotiated a contract that allowed Chamberlain to train for the entire off season and fight Ali before the next season started...

Chamberlain signed the contract but Ali refused to.. He came up with excuses... "I accept your challenge, after I fight a few more contenders....IF I beat THEM." ... When Wilt asked Ali how long it would take him to sign he got nothing. "How long?" .... "Just be cool" ... "But you can't tell me how long can you?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

If Chamberlain truly wanted the fight he would never have made such an impossible demand. Nothing more than a nonsense excuse used to appease Chamberlain fans who want to believe Chamberlain didn't back out of the fight.

Chamberlain made NO demands... He asked Ali to tell him WHEN he would sign to fight him... A reasonable question.

Ali was scared to death of Chamberlain... YOU TELL me why Ali is on TV promoting a fight with Wilt Chamberlain when he wanted to fight a "few more contenders" FIRST.... Makes NO sense in the WORLD!!!

YOU tell me WHY Ali wouldn't give Chamberlain an answer when Wilt asked him how long it would take him to sign the contract??? All he could do is tell Chamberlain not to rush things and be cool... Why the HELL is Ali on TV promoting a fight if you're "rushing things" trying to find out exactly how long it's going to take Ali to sign???

YOU won't give me an answer... you're no better than Ali https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

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They were different generations... Wilt came along 50 years too soon... Ali promised he would fight Chamberlain but Ali got cold feet when he realized how serious Wilt was in contacting top trainers and fighters... They negotiated a contract that allowed Chamberlain to train for the entire off season and fight Ali before the next season started...

Chamberlain signed the contract but Ali refused to.. He came up with excuses... "I accept your challenge, after I fight a few more contenders....IF I beat THEM." ... When Wilt asked Ali how long it would take him to sign he got nothing. "How long?" .... "Just be cool" ... "But you can't tell me how long can you?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

If Chamberlain truly wanted the fight he would never have made such an impossible demand. Nothing more than a nonsense excuse used to appease Chamberlain fans who want to believe Chamberlain didn't back out of the fight.

Chamberlain made NO demands...

Did you even read the article I posted?